Topic: Is suicide ever justified?
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #14,965
Do you think people can make this decision rationally? You sometimes hear harsh judgments of people who killed themselves and the suggestion that they were somehow totally wrong on their view of reality or the future.
Apart from the extreme case where you're about to be mauled by a bear or lost all of your limbs and senses or something, do you think it's ever a logical choice?
Apart from the extreme case where you're about to be mauled by a bear or lost all of your limbs and senses or something, do you think it's ever a logical choice?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #263,072
Of course you can justify it, why else would you be doing it?
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #263,076
They might justify it to themselves, it's an easy way out. I could never justify it to myself.
No matter how hard shit hit the fan, I have at least 243285 other things I'd try before even considering suicide. It's for the weak faggots.
No matter how hard shit hit the fan, I have at least 243285 other things I'd try before even considering suicide. It's for the weak faggots.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #263,077
Was having this convo earlier... people say peeps who top themselves are like, crazy. But what if you just don't want to live for whatever reason? Even depression can be too much for some, and it may be rational for them to kill themselves if they just can't take it anymore and treatments aren't working. I dunno tbh, I'm half asleep
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #263,082
@263,076 (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
It does take some courage to kill yourself imo. Sure it's an escape, but you have absolutely no idea what will happen. I think it takes a lot to overcome humans' normal fear of death.
@previous (D)
Yeah, I don't think depression means you lose your rationality. Depression could be the sanest response to a lot of circumstances anyway.
It does take some courage to kill yourself imo. Sure it's an escape, but you have absolutely no idea what will happen. I think it takes a lot to overcome humans' normal fear of death.
@previous (D)
Yeah, I don't think depression means you lose your rationality. Depression could be the sanest response to a lot of circumstances anyway.
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #263,086
@previous (A)
No matter how much courage it takes to kill yourself, it takes even more to say fuck it and try again. To be honest, I wouldn't even call it courage that's needed to kill yourself, it's just dumb. There is no proof that there's anything after life, and if this is all I got, I'll do anything to make it kick ass before it ends.
No matter how much courage it takes to kill yourself, it takes even more to say fuck it and try again. To be honest, I wouldn't even call it courage that's needed to kill yourself, it's just dumb. There is no proof that there's anything after life, and if this is all I got, I'll do anything to make it kick ass before it ends.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #263,089
@previous (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
Not everyone's as strong as you I guess lol I could never imagine killing myself either but when I was talking about depression I meant the mental illness, not the emo shit. My mum's train was delayed 'cause some fuck jumped in front of one... dunno if that's relevant but it happened today lol
Not everyone's as strong as you I guess lol I could never imagine killing myself either but when I was talking about depression I meant the mental illness, not the emo shit. My mum's train was delayed 'cause some fuck jumped in front of one... dunno if that's relevant but it happened today lol
Anonymous D double-posted this 15 years ago, 56 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #263,090
@263,082 (A)
I'd think it's GOTTA take courage to jump in front of a train... I couldn't do that even if I wanted to die
I'd think it's GOTTA take courage to jump in front of a train... I couldn't do that even if I wanted to die
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #263,093
@263,089 (D)
It's not strength, it's just rational thinking. Imagine you lost everything and everyone you've got. Why would you give away the only thing you still have, your life? It's just dumb.
As long as you have that, it's easy to get other things, or at least decent replacements :D just keep on tryin'
It's not strength, it's just rational thinking. Imagine you lost everything and everyone you've got. Why would you give away the only thing you still have, your life? It's just dumb.
As long as you have that, it's easy to get other things, or at least decent replacements :D just keep on tryin'
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #263,095
@previous (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
That's not what I meant... some peoples brains seem to be wired in a way that they can't experience happiness or pleasure or anything good, even if their situation is otherwise perfect. Y'know like anhedonia and shit?
That's not what I meant... some peoples brains seem to be wired in a way that they can't experience happiness or pleasure or anything good, even if their situation is otherwise perfect. Y'know like anhedonia and shit?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,239
Obviously is abortion is justified than suicide can be as well.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,258
A lot of people are suffering. Some have terminal illness, some have pain of another type. Its justifiable when the pain isnt going away and is beyond a person's ability to cope.
Those who would prefer someone suffer through existence so they have the peace of mind that the person still exists are the ones who are selfish.
Those who would prefer someone suffer through existence so they have the peace of mind that the person still exists are the ones who are selfish.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,261
Yes, painful terminal illness is one obvious example.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,262
If someone is in (or they know they soon will be in) excruciating pain, then they're justified in ending their life.
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Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,263
Suicide to save oneself from torture.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,265
yes, its always justified
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,270
@previous (I)
> yes, its always justified
this
even if you can't think of one single other reason you still have the fact that killing yourself means at least one less person shitting up this planet with garbage and pollution
> yes, its always justified
this
even if you can't think of one single other reason you still have the fact that killing yourself means at least one less person shitting up this planet with garbage and pollution
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,365
Euthanasia is the only justified suicide, imo.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,373
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 52 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,385
@263,072 (B)I agree of course it is justified. life is about choices, and if you deem it justified then it is. everyone's different bro
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,389
Terminal illness.
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Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,437
@263,270 (J)
> even if you can't think of one single other reason you still have the fact that killing yourself means at least one less person shitting up this planet with garbage and pollution
Except the planet deserves to be shat on. Nature's a nasty cunt, and as such she demands to be challenged. I'm so tired of this materialistic planet-first bullshit. Go fuck yourselves. What makes the fucking planet so special anyhow? It's a fucking rock flying through space. Most probably there are millions if not billions of others quite like it.
> even if you can't think of one single other reason you still have the fact that killing yourself means at least one less person shitting up this planet with garbage and pollution
Except the planet deserves to be shat on. Nature's a nasty cunt, and as such she demands to be challenged. I'm so tired of this materialistic planet-first bullshit. Go fuck yourselves. What makes the fucking planet so special anyhow? It's a fucking rock flying through space. Most probably there are millions if not billions of others quite like it.
floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,440
@previous (O)
> what makes it special
> probably million or billions just like it
> probably
> i don't really know for sure
> could be it's the only one with intelligent life
> maybe
> but that doesn't make it special
> but i really haven't a clue
> okay, i'll shut up now
ftfy buddy
> what makes it special
> probably million or billions just like it
> probably
> i don't really know for sure
> could be it's the only one with intelligent life
> maybe
> but that doesn't make it special
> but i really haven't a clue
> okay, i'll shut up now
ftfy buddy
Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #263,445
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #263,601
Of course suicide can be justified.
Many people do take their lives in a sudden, non-typical low mood, but for some of us low moods are a constant reality.
Many people do take their lives in a sudden, non-typical low mood, but for some of us low moods are a constant reality.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 17 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #263,756
@263,445 (H)
It's not moronic fool. The rational position suggests extinction of the human race is inevitable. Irrespective of how well we care for this planet, it's life is certainly finite.
If saving humanity from certain extinction is the end goal, technological progress necessarily takes precedence over ecological preservation. We'll never get of this rock otherwise.
It's not moronic fool. The rational position suggests extinction of the human race is inevitable. Irrespective of how well we care for this planet, it's life is certainly finite.
If saving humanity from certain extinction is the end goal, technological progress necessarily takes precedence over ecological preservation. We'll never get of this rock otherwise.
Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #263,826
In most cases, life is not worth living. The idea that happiness is a raison d'etre logically means that nearly everyone is unhappy (after being born a blank slate). So unhappiness is the norm -the meaning of life- and the quest for happiness is merely a by-product and not our natural condition. Looking for happiness then is not that different than looking for a good drug dealer with good drugs.
99% of human beings serve no real, 'natural' purpose or reason to keep on going through the motions whatsoever. The majority of the world's population is just the means of production by which the few attain "happiness" (altho, I don't know many truly happy rich folk).
Sure most become 'necessary' thanks to manmade things like economies -to make them work- but economies would not be necessary if there were no humans. Pretty much everything we do as humans is built around the notion of perpetuating a species -to the detriment of all others- that has not shown any proof that it deserves a place on this planet as part of the ecosystem.
All the 'good', 'worthwhile' stuff people have done -and continue to do- is only 'good' and 'worthwhile' when put into the context of the human condition/experience. Splitting the atom and curing cancer is pretty useless to every other creature on the planet.
I read a book called "The Sirens of Titan" by Kurt Vonnegut recently and the punchline of the story is that the entire sum of all human knowledge/achievement over thousands of years was little more than a works project by an alien race from another galaxy trying to send a message to one of their own stranded in another galaxy. The message was that they were sending help.
If only we were actually that useful.
99% of human beings serve no real, 'natural' purpose or reason to keep on going through the motions whatsoever. The majority of the world's population is just the means of production by which the few attain "happiness" (altho, I don't know many truly happy rich folk).
Sure most become 'necessary' thanks to manmade things like economies -to make them work- but economies would not be necessary if there were no humans. Pretty much everything we do as humans is built around the notion of perpetuating a species -to the detriment of all others- that has not shown any proof that it deserves a place on this planet as part of the ecosystem.
All the 'good', 'worthwhile' stuff people have done -and continue to do- is only 'good' and 'worthwhile' when put into the context of the human condition/experience. Splitting the atom and curing cancer is pretty useless to every other creature on the planet.
I read a book called "The Sirens of Titan" by Kurt Vonnegut recently and the punchline of the story is that the entire sum of all human knowledge/achievement over thousands of years was little more than a works project by an alien race from another galaxy trying to send a message to one of their own stranded in another galaxy. The message was that they were sending help.
If only we were actually that useful.