Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later[^][v]#258,138
Motherfucking docks make me glad Steve Jobs is dead.
Synapse and Tint2, assholes.
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Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#258,146
just buy a mac
Meta joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 9 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,287
Looks like Ubuntu (using Gnome 2.x) with a dock.
Meh 5/10 bud.
Also, while Ubuntu 10.04 and beyond are definitely OS X-like in appearance, Linux Mint doesn't look anything like OS X. Interestingly enough, in the introduction of OS X in 2000, Steve Jobs described it as a "very Linux-like" operating system.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,294
@previous (Meta)
Oh fuck that's another reason I hated Jobs. Yeah, it's Linux like but for the fact it's closed source making it nothing at all like Linux. Hyperbole much, motherfucker?
Meta replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,299
@previous (B)
How do you feel about Ubuntu turning (visually, at least) into an OS X clone with the dock on the side instead of the bottom?
dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,300
> Most apps are free, but what happens when you’d like to buy something? Software Center has you covered there, too. Just click on the “For Purchase†item. Once you’ve found the app you’d like to purchase, click the “Buy...†button.
So it's basically Ubuntu with someone trying to sell me apps?
Meta replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,306
@previous (F)
So they made an illegal clone of the Ubuntu --App Store-- Software Center?
But what's so bad about people trying to sell software? I think commercial software and free and open source can coexist peacefully. If you don't like the idea of people charging for software, then use FOSS instead.
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dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,308
> the Ubuntu --App Store-- Software Center?
you realize the software center is from way before the app store right?
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,312
@258,306 (Meta) > But what's so bad about people trying to sell software?
Nothing, if they are marketing their own stuff. The screenshots look like someone just slapped a dock on Xubuntu. I get the feeling it's Ubuntu with a bullshit app store thrown in to make someone a little money.
Meta replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,313
@258,308 (dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s)
Yes, but commercial paid software was not added until after Apple started the app store. Also Ubuntu has an illegal clone of iTunes now.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,315
@258,306 (Meta)
why arent you using your tripcode, troll
Meta replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,316
@previous (G)
I forgot my custom tripcode, and the old one was stolen by Eels.
Meta is Meta
I have my custom !PARAdox tripcode on my other hard drive, I just haven't gotten around to retrieving it yet.
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dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,317
@258,313 (Meta)
because itunes was the only platform for buying music online before that
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,318
@258,299 (Meta)
I feel I could give a shit. OSX will never be on the level of Linux because it will never be open source. However good it is, it will never be anything close to what Linux is. Linux will always have an untouchable cumulative advantage.
Developers are well aware of this fact, they're simply terrified about ushering in a future where it's considerably harder for them to get paid. Look at Opera, their fucking developers will tell you this exact thing matter of factly.
dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s replied with this 15 years ago, 9 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,319
@258,313 (Meta)
also ubuntu has had commercial software for a long time now
dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s double-posted this 15 years ago, 35 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,320
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 57 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,321
@258,319 (dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s)
Ubuntu would be the best hands down if Shuttleworth wasn't such a glory fiend. He's gotta change it every fucking cycle, making it a bug ridden mess.
Meta replied with this 15 years ago, 2 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,322
@258,317 (dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s)
Except for eMusic. Which was launched about five years before iTunes.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 40 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,323
@258,320 (dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s)
Not Walter. Anon, motherfucker.
dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s replied with this 15 years ago, 28 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,324
@258,322 (Meta)
there's amazonmp3, i think microsoft has something, google too, a bunch of drm-free ones etc
dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s double-posted this 15 years ago, 20 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,325
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,326
@previous (dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s)
Except it's not. Meaning you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
Ask a mod if you don't fucking believe me. You straight up wrong, asshole.
Meta replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,327
@258,325 (dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s) @258,320 (dreamworks !AIy/L67q.s)
No, Anon B is not Dutchfag.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,328
Looks like Gnome 2.x
Meta replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,329
@previous (H)
If they were going to copy Ubuntu, they could have at least used Unity, which is open source.
If they used Unity and somehow put the dock on the bottom, it would be even more OS X-like.
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Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,332
@previous (Meta)
They aren't copying Ubuntu, its a fork of Ubuntu. I was just mentioning that it seems like they are not using Gnome 3.x, instead they are using Gnome 2.x.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,333
@258,328 (H)
It sucks. Like I said. Here's a better use of your time:
1. Install Ubuntu 11.10.
2, Download Synapse and Compiz settings manager.
3. Open Compiz and disable hideous Unity plugin.
4. Good with a command line?
Yes: Add Tint2 taskbar.
No: Add Cairo Dock or Avant Window Navigator.
Enjoy.
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Anonymous B double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,335
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Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 56 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,336
@258,333 (B)
Meh, I have been using Gnome 3.x, Its very nontraditional in a sense, as in it doesn't just look like a cheap Windows or OSX knockoff.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,337
@previous (H)
Well, I couldn't get into Gnome 3. I'm not against it, I just haven't had the time to adapt. It's pretty radical. I don't kknow if I'm ready to give up the traditional taskbar. I love seeing what's open. It's like a speedometer on a car to me.
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Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,338
Meta replied with this 15 years ago, 27 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,340
@258,337 (B)
Same. I tried it and just did not like it. It's like the ribbon interface in Office 2007/10. Different just for the sake of being different.
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,342
@previous (Meta)
You probably feel the same way about Plan 9 from Bell Labs.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,343
@258,339 (J)
So where exactly do I download a fully functional free version?
Besides, the fact Apple would do such a thing only proves my point. Developers are beginning to demand the freedom to copy their peers without getting into a heap of legal shit. It's good Apple's doing this to keep the best developers, I suppose.
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Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#258,344
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,912
@258,146 (C)
I'm so tired of this fucking comment. We want "open source" retard. Mac doesn't provide what we want.
We are the consumers and an open system is something we fucking demand. Will we ever understand it all? Of course not, but we like the idea that we can fuck around with it if we want to. That's part of the fun for us.
I don't know why this has to be explained so often. For the users of Linux it's like a hobby. We fucking like computers. We like tinkering with them. We like getting a glimpse of the insides. It's pretty fucking basic.
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advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,926
@previous (N)
I agree wholeheartedly, but in all fairness, it is obvious that elementaryOS makes an attempt to emulate OS X's design.
I didn't play with it that much, but the developers did make it harder to customize by disabling many graphical configuration options, like easy panel adjustment, though they did go the extra mile to introduce some unique software like Marlin and Postler, which was speedy, responsive and all went together very well (even cooler is that a lot of this software can be used on any Linux system with the proper dependencies, and are in the official repositories), in addition to their own impressive GTK theme.
I know one of the awesome things about free software is the ability to tinker with it and configure it to your exact liking....but many people don't even want to have that option available, as it makes it easier to screw something up, and elementaryOS does certainly offer a presentable, unified experience for people that don't give a fuck how it works on the inside and prefers to adjust to configurations rather than set their own.
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Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,929
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
If it has a terminal it's not harder to customize. Learn some shit son and get back to me.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,935
@previous (N)
It is to the kind of user I'm talking about. The idea of using a command line is, to most, arcane and outdated, and without modern features like tab completion, it kinda is.
Sure, I could edit my DE's settings all manually, but that's silly when I can simply right-click, choose "Preferences" and make whatever changes I wish. And I could go full retard and accidentally delete the panel and oh joy won't that be fun to redo; people make mistakes and that is just a fact of life. If the user doesn't give a shit about changing the settings like that, then why make it easier for them to nuke everything?
That is what elementaryOS targets. If you don't like it, then don't use it, that is your choice.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,947
> The idea of using a command line is, to most, arcane and outdated
Not to programmers it's not.
Like I said, learn some shit son and get back to me. CLI is superior for some tasks while GUI is superior for others. Configuration is an area where CLI shines, not because it's pretty but because it's easier to teach someone to type "xyz" than it is to teach them to click X, then Y, then Z.
Get a fucking clue. Just because Steve Jobs jacked off to GUI every night doesn't make it automatically better for every application. GUI is like a multiple choice test; It's for fucking retards. Now of course retards have a right to an education, because everyone does. But they have NO FUCKING RIGHT to configure the curriculum. That's what the smart people who know how to use CLI are for.
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advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,954
@previous (N)
I don't think we're on the same page. I'm just saying that elementaryOS excels at what it does, I never said I liked it, I didn't use it much because I couldn't bear to for long.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,956
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,958
@260,954 (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
Of course we're not on the same page. I'm rational and intelligent enough to recognize that CLI is superior in some instances while you seem to think GUI is inherently superior for all applications simply because the learning curve is lower.
The point I'm making is a higher learning curve is actually preferable for higher level functionality because it separates the wheat from the chaff.
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advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,959
@previous (N) > I'm rational and intelligent enough to recognize that CLI is superior in some instances while you seem to think GUI is inherently superior for all applications simply because the learning curve is lower.
I said that, when?
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,961
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF) > The idea of using a command line is, to most, arcane and outdated
Okay, so I extrapolated. But your statement still suggests a lack of awareness.
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,967
@previous (N)
lol, anonymous n has never gotten laid.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 37 seconds later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,968
@260,961 (N)
No no, I'm just reiterating what the general consensus is, not my opinion. OS X has powerful shells like bash and zsh installed by default, but do you really think a stereotypical Mac user is willing to use anything without shiny buttons?
Besides, most people are Windows users, so when they think of using a CLI, it's probably the Command Prompt, which is arcane and outdated. Either that or sooper l33t hacker bullshit from Hollywood.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,978
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
The stereotypical Mac user is a fucking consumerist moron who pays 2x for PC hardware simply because lots of other people in the mall do so as well. In the future, please choose people I actually give a shit about when using them to make a point. Fair enough?
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,984
@previous (N) > The stereotypical Mac user is a fucking consumerist moron who pays 2x for PC hardware simply because lots of other people in the mall do so as well.
And stupid people need big, shiny, bouncing icons. Just my point. > In the future, please choose people I actually give a shit about when using them to make a point. Fair enough?
Your initial comment led me to believe that you did, in fact, give a shit about such people. My point was that software freedom means that people can, and will, use it in ways that you think are stupid. So, fair enough.
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Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,987
And since you're a Linux user, you probably have a lot of time on your hands.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,991
@260,989 (P)
It's all irrelevant. Your children will be slaves to technology while mine will be masters of it. Performance is irrelevant when knowledge and power are what's being traded away for it.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,993
@260,987 (N) > I'm so tired of this fucking comment. We want "open source" retard. Mac doesn't provide what we want.
Am I being trolled here? @260,990 (C) > It's all there, you just have to put it together
lol
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Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,995
@260,990 (C)
So put it together then and publish it as a free download on your own website. See what happens to your ignorant ass then. Hope you can afford a good lawyer.
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#260,998
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#261,001
@previous (P)
Nah, that's only Stallman. He's fucking weird like that. Literally emails condolences to people whenever they have a child. Refers to human reproduction as a "menacing phenomenon." I know the guy's smart and rational and all but that's a bit much.
People want kids, they don't give a fuck about the consequences. They want kids and they don't care if others lose because of it, just like we want free software and we don't care it corporations lose because of it. He of all people should understand.
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DERRY replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#261,008
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#261,510
My issues with Ubuntu have really dwindled since 11.04, I installed 9.10 on this PC and haven't had an issue yet through all of the upgrading. The occasional problem does not require more than an hour or so of troubleshooting, although I have had to re-install Ubuntu in the past.