Topic: Pregnant Woman Blasted with Pepper Spray [and Kicked in the Abdomen] by SPD Says She Miscarried
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q started this discussion 15 years ago #14,416
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later[^] [v] #255,305
Maybe if she was pregnant she should of been responsible and stayed at home.
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Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #255,307
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #255,309
green !6PPj7P5Iag joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #255,315
> land of the free
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #255,322
@255,309 (B)
How could she have afford that if she was homeless?
@255,305 (B)
Does this include not going to the hospital or a midwife?
How could she have afford that if she was homeless?
@255,305 (B)
Does this include not going to the hospital or a midwife?
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #255,323
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 8 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,501
@previous (B)
I'm sure getting kicked and maced by police for exercising her constitutional rights would also suffice.
I'm sure getting kicked and maced by police for exercising her constitutional rights would also suffice.
marvin !CaTLdYmooc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,510
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
...you think there's a constitutional right to camp out wherever the fuck you'd like as long as you're protesting something?
...you think there's a constitutional right to camp out wherever the fuck you'd like as long as you're protesting something?
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,513
@previous (marvin !CaTLdYmooc)
As long as it isn't considered private property that one doesn't have permission to protest on or if they obstruct traffic, there should be no problem in them protesting. I mean, it's not like the right to assemble is in the bill of rights or anything.
As long as it isn't considered private property that one doesn't have permission to protest on or if they obstruct traffic, there should be no problem in them protesting. I mean, it's not like the right to assemble is in the bill of rights or anything.
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marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,514
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,516
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 17 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,521
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
It doesn't say what you think it says.
Clark v. Community for Non-Violence et al, 468 U.S. 288 (1984) -- http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=30121711727218786
Chicago v. Park Department, 534 U.S. 316 (2002) -- http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=4918610410485439184
Occupy Sacramento v. City of Sacramento, (E.D. Cal. Nov. 4, 2011) -- not yet reported outside Westlaw, otherwise I'd provide a link
It doesn't say what you think it says.
Clark v. Community for Non-Violence et al, 468 U.S. 288 (1984) -- http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=30121711727218786
Chicago v. Park Department, 534 U.S. 316 (2002) -- http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=4918610410485439184
Occupy Sacramento v. City of Sacramento, (E.D. Cal. Nov. 4, 2011) -- not yet reported outside Westlaw, otherwise I'd provide a link
floorboard !nIGga.SL0w joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,591
They were squatters. They were living there, bro. That's not a right. It's not fucking hooverville.
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,596
@previous (floorboard !nIGga.SL0w)
Hence why they should be escorted and told not to return rather than sprayed with mace, tazed and then kicked.
Hence why they should be escorted and told not to return rather than sprayed with mace, tazed and then kicked.
floorboard !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,608
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,614
@previous (floorboard !nIGga.SL0w)
Resisting escortation (Yes, I know. I invented that word. Deal with it.) is no excuse for police to misuse self-defense armaments. As far as I know, these protesters are still using peaceful measures that can easily be dispersed with other methods that WON'T bring negative attention onto the police.
Resisting escortation (Yes, I know. I invented that word. Deal with it.) is no excuse for police to misuse self-defense armaments. As far as I know, these protesters are still using peaceful measures that can easily be dispersed with other methods that WON'T bring negative attention onto the police.
floorboard !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,619
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Nah, when you're the police you ask nicely once, then break out the batons and teargas. Otherwise you're asking for trouble.
Cracking heads gets the job done, asking politely over, and over, and over doesn't.
Nah, when you're the police you ask nicely once, then break out the batons and teargas. Otherwise you're asking for trouble.
Cracking heads gets the job done, asking politely over, and over, and over doesn't.
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,620
@previous (floorboard !nIGga.SL0w)
I'd probably just start blasting NSBM over a loudspeaker to disperse the hippies.
I'd probably just start blasting NSBM over a loudspeaker to disperse the hippies.
floorboard !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,625
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
But that is way less effective than brutal force. If you want them gone now then you've got to use fear and danger, not minor annoyance and mild discomfort.
You've never been to a protest before have you, or been involved in a riot? Civilians will do some really stupid and dangerous shit when they think the authorities don't have control.
But that is way less effective than brutal force. If you want them gone now then you've got to use fear and danger, not minor annoyance and mild discomfort.
You've never been to a protest before have you, or been involved in a riot? Civilians will do some really stupid and dangerous shit when they think the authorities don't have control.
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,645
@previous (floorboard !nIGga.SL0w)
The Tea Party ran its course and died off as the police didn't resort to violent dispersion despite the amount of CCW/OCW tea-partiers. Do the unarmed OWS protesters really need harsher punishment than the Tea Party protesters?
The Tea Party ran its course and died off as the police didn't resort to violent dispersion despite the amount of CCW/OCW tea-partiers. Do the unarmed OWS protesters really need harsher punishment than the Tea Party protesters?
floorboard !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,652
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Lol'd. The tea party was not a real grassroots protest movement. It was a joke told by the koch brothers. Real protesters get kicked, gassed, sprayed, and beaten.
Didn't you learn about american history in school?
Lol'd. The tea party was not a real grassroots protest movement. It was a joke told by the koch brothers. Real protesters get kicked, gassed, sprayed, and beaten.
Didn't you learn about american history in school?
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,655
@previous (floorboard !nIGga.SL0w)
Let's see just how the police would behave when they find out that the person they just kicked in the gut just so happens to be surrounded by OCW/CCW protesters. Unfortunately, given the fact that OWS protesters are deathly just as afraid of guns as Tea Partiers are deathly afraid of gays, that won't happen and the OWS protesters will continue to be stepped on.
Let's see just how the police would behave when they find out that the person they just kicked in the gut just so happens to be surrounded by OCW/CCW protesters. Unfortunately, given the fact that OWS protesters are deathly just as afraid of guns as Tea Partiers are deathly afraid of gays, that won't happen and the OWS protesters will continue to be stepped on.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,730
@255,614 (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
What measures would you suggest?
@255,645 (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
The tea partiers did not take over parks and campuses with entire CAMPS, shit wherever they'd like, rape each other, mock property owners trying to assert their property rights, and generally act like fucking hoodlums with no message or purpose at all. They behaved lawfully. Of course they didn't get tazed, tear-gassed, etc., because they didn't do anything wrong. Do you pay attention at all, or just spout shit you read on twitter?
I think the police have gone too far in a lot of instances (UC Davis for one, which I think was a lawful protest in the first place), but they absolutely are doing the right thing in breaking up the encampments. Again: you cannot just set up a hippie camp and shit wherever you'd like.
What measures would you suggest?
@255,645 (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
The tea partiers did not take over parks and campuses with entire CAMPS, shit wherever they'd like, rape each other, mock property owners trying to assert their property rights, and generally act like fucking hoodlums with no message or purpose at all. They behaved lawfully. Of course they didn't get tazed, tear-gassed, etc., because they didn't do anything wrong. Do you pay attention at all, or just spout shit you read on twitter?
I think the police have gone too far in a lot of instances (UC Davis for one, which I think was a lawful protest in the first place), but they absolutely are doing the right thing in breaking up the encampments. Again: you cannot just set up a hippie camp and shit wherever you'd like.
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Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,731
@previous (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
> The tea partiers did not take over parks and campuses with entire CAMPS, shit wherever they'd like, rape each other, mock property owners trying to assert their property rights, and generally act like fucking hoodlums with no message or purpose at all.
This. Damn hippies.
> The tea partiers did not take over parks and campuses with entire CAMPS, shit wherever they'd like, rape each other, mock property owners trying to assert their property rights, and generally act like fucking hoodlums with no message or purpose at all.
This. Damn hippies.
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,736
@255,730 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
> What measures would you suggest?
Maybe they should have guidelines of things NOT to do when they see OWS protesters such as: kick pregnant women, mace pregnant women, punch pregnant women or anything that may induce a miscarriage (read: government-enforced abortion).
> What measures would you suggest?
Maybe they should have guidelines of things NOT to do when they see OWS protesters such as: kick pregnant women, mace pregnant women, punch pregnant women or anything that may induce a miscarriage (read: government-enforced abortion).
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,737
@255,730 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
> Again: you cannot just set up a hippie camp and shit wherever you'd like.
That's all fine and dandy. The police should try to be keen on avoiding any action that may cause someone to miscarriage or anything that may make them comparable to the Arab Spring riot controllers.
> Again: you cannot just set up a hippie camp and shit wherever you'd like.
That's all fine and dandy. The police should try to be keen on avoiding any action that may cause someone to miscarriage or anything that may make them comparable to the Arab Spring riot controllers.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,744
@255,736 (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
So you're accepting as fact that she made them aware she was pregnant? Even if so -- are you saying the cops should have a policy of never using force at all against pregnant women when they break the law? Think through this one, please.
Did you read the updates in your original link? The story looks doubtful anyway.
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
You are a fucking retard if you see this as comparable in any way at all. They're not sniping the hippies ffs.
Protesters have been getting pepper sprayed for ages, it used to be part of the cachet of it to get arrested or have force used against you as part of a demonstration. Now the retards provoke the cops and baww when they respond exactly as one would expect police to.
So you're accepting as fact that she made them aware she was pregnant? Even if so -- are you saying the cops should have a policy of never using force at all against pregnant women when they break the law? Think through this one, please.
Did you read the updates in your original link? The story looks doubtful anyway.
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
You are a fucking retard if you see this as comparable in any way at all. They're not sniping the hippies ffs.
Protesters have been getting pepper sprayed for ages, it used to be part of the cachet of it to get arrested or have force used against you as part of a demonstration. Now the retards provoke the cops and baww when they respond exactly as one would expect police to.
floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,749
also protesters hope there's police brutality and opposition to their cause. It means they are doing it right. If a pregnant woman chooses to take part in protesting then she agrees to take part in all that that represents. This isn't about police brutality, it's about a moron who decided to do something stupid: put her unborn baby in harms way. If you think protesting isn't about violence, then you're a stupid fucker. Regardless what anyone says, when push comes to shove people have to fight for their ideals. And protesting is exactly that, fighting for your ideals. And you don't go to fight when you're pregnant, you do that when you're a stupid and probably vapid individual who thinks protesting is all chanting and hugs. it's not. ASK THE NIGGERS.
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Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,764
@255,744 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
> are you saying the cops should have a policy of never using force at all against pregnant women when they break the law? Think through this one, please.
THe baby shouldn't be given a death sentence for the mother's crimes.
> Did you read the updates in your original link? The story looks doubtful anyway.
Cool.
> You are a fucking retard if you see this as comparable in any way at all. They're not sniping the hippies ffs.
Maybe so, but they are growing ever closer in resemblance in Oakland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lbbWAgBy7E
> Protesters have been getting pepper sprayed for ages, it used to be part of the cachet of it to get arrested or have force used against you as part of a demonstration. Now the retards provoke the cops and baww when they respond exactly as one would expect police to.
Maybe Mace is fine, but the kicking should stop.
> are you saying the cops should have a policy of never using force at all against pregnant women when they break the law? Think through this one, please.
THe baby shouldn't be given a death sentence for the mother's crimes.
> Did you read the updates in your original link? The story looks doubtful anyway.
Cool.
> You are a fucking retard if you see this as comparable in any way at all. They're not sniping the hippies ffs.
Maybe so, but they are growing ever closer in resemblance in Oakland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lbbWAgBy7E
> Protesters have been getting pepper sprayed for ages, it used to be part of the cachet of it to get arrested or have force used against you as part of a demonstration. Now the retards provoke the cops and baww when they respond exactly as one would expect police to.
Maybe Mace is fine, but the kicking should stop.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,780
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Pepper spray isn't mace you retard. Want a wikipedia link or do you think you can find that?
Pepper spray isn't mace you retard. Want a wikipedia link or do you think you can find that?
floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 5 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,781
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,785
@255,780 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
> Pepper spray isn't mace you retard.
Mace is a brand of pepper spray.
> Pepper spray isn't mace you retard.
Mace is a brand of pepper spray.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 54 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,802
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Oh snap, you're right. I've always heard them as two separate things with different intensity levels, so I'm a little surprised, but I guess you win that one.
Oh snap, you're right. I've always heard them as two separate things with different intensity levels, so I'm a little surprised, but I guess you win that one.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,807
How did I miss this? It was even marked read. FML.
floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 28 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,835
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #255,856
America is done. The citizens are nothing but bitches to the man now. They don't give a fuck about fuck besides money.