Topic: Growing mushrooms for research purposes at home
Fats !lbanned8o6 started this discussion 15 years ago #14,358
Like the title says, this is strictly for research only. A friend of mine successfully grew about 60 and we have been researching them in depth. I decided to try a different strain for research myself.Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 34 seconds later[^] [v] #254,552
Getting the jars of substrate ready.Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 25 seconds later, 59 seconds after the original post[^] [v] #254,553
A quick boil to sterilize.Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 1 minute after the original post[^] [v] #254,554
hey, i've been wanting to do this very thing!
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Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 1 minute after the original post[^] [v] #254,556
I don't think I've ever heard of this "Z Strain". If you're growing cubes, what kind of equipment are you using?
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 seconds later, 1 minute after the original post[^] [v] #254,557
Getting my little mushie's new home ready.Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 22 seconds later, 1 minute after the original post[^] [v] #254,558
Then injecting the spores...floorboard !6SMwzBOKAk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 25 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,559
did some of those with a friend. He grew them, I've only grown weed. But, they were very good. Just gotta be sterile as fuck with it he said.
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,561
@254,556 (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
A tote, LED light once the cakes are ready, heating pad hooked to a timer, and a temperature/humidity gauge. It looks cheap, but my friend was able to grow those 60 (with new ones pinning from the spore prints) with less.
A tote, LED light once the cakes are ready, heating pad hooked to a timer, and a temperature/humidity gauge. It looks cheap, but my friend was able to grow those 60 (with new ones pinning from the spore prints) with less.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 36 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,562
@254,558 (Fats !lbanned8o6)
injecting spores... genius!
the only spores i can get are prints on a card, so it would be harder to keep the strate sterile.
injecting spores... genius!
the only spores i can get are prints on a card, so it would be harder to keep the strate sterile.
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,564
@254,559 (floorboard !6SMwzBOKAk)Sterilization is key. I cleaned out my guest bedroom and sterilized the shit out of it just for this. I may start a second tote soon. Wish me luck!
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,565
@254,561 (Fats !lbanned8o6)
In this picture @254,557 (Fats !lbanned8o6) what is that? It looks like an aquarium with holes drilled into it.
In this picture @254,557 (Fats !lbanned8o6) what is that? It looks like an aquarium with holes drilled into it.
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,568
@previous (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
It's a clear plastic tote. The holes are for fresh air. I have an aquarium air pump to control the humidity inside along with pushing the stale air out.
It's a clear plastic tote. The holes are for fresh air. I have an aquarium air pump to control the humidity inside along with pushing the stale air out.
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 25 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,570
@254,562 (B)
> injecting spores... genius!
>
> the only spores i can get are prints on a card, so it would be harder to keep the strate sterile.
Are you not in the US?
> injecting spores... genius!
>
> the only spores i can get are prints on a card, so it would be harder to keep the strate sterile.
Are you not in the US?
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,574
@254,556 (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
> I don't think I've ever heard of this "Z Strain".
Neither had I until I found it here. http://azarius.net/smartshop/magic-mushrooms/spores-cubensis/psilocybe_cubensis_z-strain/
> This was a novelty strain bred by an unknown source. Z-strain is a very aggressive colonizer and one of the fastest strains from inoculation to harvest available. This probably explains why this is such a popular strain among cultivators.
> I don't think I've ever heard of this "Z Strain".
Neither had I until I found it here. http://azarius.net/smartshop/magic-mushrooms/spores-cubensis/psilocybe_cubensis_z-strain/
> This was a novelty strain bred by an unknown source. Z-strain is a very aggressive colonizer and one of the fastest strains from inoculation to harvest available. This probably explains why this is such a popular strain among cultivators.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 40 seconds later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,576
@254,570 (Fats !lbanned8o6)
im in the US but im not going to pay out the ass on some website when i can get a print for free
im in the US but im not going to pay out the ass on some website when i can get a print for free
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG replied with this 15 years ago, 6 seconds later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,577
@254,568 (Fats !lbanned8o6)
You're going to want to monitor them very carefully. I would recommend that you ask your friend for any literature he may know of to help accomodate you. Since you are growing a fungus you have to be very careful that you aren't going to also grow mold on it and contaminate your desired result. It's something you're going to want to look at very carefully probably every 12 hours or as often as possible. It's very easy to destroy your progress with carelessness.
Other than that, it sounds like you have a pretty good set up. Good luck!
You're going to want to monitor them very carefully. I would recommend that you ask your friend for any literature he may know of to help accomodate you. Since you are growing a fungus you have to be very careful that you aren't going to also grow mold on it and contaminate your desired result. It's something you're going to want to look at very carefully probably every 12 hours or as often as possible. It's very easy to destroy your progress with carelessness.
Other than that, it sounds like you have a pretty good set up. Good luck!
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,582
@previous (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
Yeah. He had some difficulty with mold on his first few cakes. We sorted it out, and he's growing LAMF now. I work with him 40 hours a week, so his knowledge will be readily available. I've worked in greenhouses for years, so I know a thing or two about monitoring temperature, humidity, PH, whathaveyou.
Yeah. He had some difficulty with mold on his first few cakes. We sorted it out, and he's growing LAMF now. I work with him 40 hours a week, so his knowledge will be readily available. I've worked in greenhouses for years, so I know a thing or two about monitoring temperature, humidity, PH, whathaveyou.
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 36 seconds later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,583
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG replied with this 15 years ago, 54 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,584
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,585
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,587
@254,584 (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
It's a mix of brown rice-flour, vermiculite, and ground millet. When the cakes colonize with micellium(?) They'll go into perlite.
It's a mix of brown rice-flour, vermiculite, and ground millet. When the cakes colonize with micellium(?) They'll go into perlite.
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 55 seconds later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,588
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,589
@254,587 (Fats !lbanned8o6)
Sounds like a good base. If you ever bother to transfer more to new jars always be sure you autoclave everything first, but I'm sure you already know that. I'd be cautious about what kind of water you are using for your boiling, but so long as you aren't mixing it often you should be okay overall anyway.
Let us know how the results are, man. Do you plan on ingesting them or is this just to see what happens?
Sounds like a good base. If you ever bother to transfer more to new jars always be sure you autoclave everything first, but I'm sure you already know that. I'd be cautious about what kind of water you are using for your boiling, but so long as you aren't mixing it often you should be okay overall anyway.
Let us know how the results are, man. Do you plan on ingesting them or is this just to see what happens?
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,591
@previous (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
Oh I plan on ingesting them with gusto. I've been using distilled water for everything as I was told on shroomery and erowid. Some of the growers use lake water, but I don't trust the bacteria of Florida's water enough to do that.
Will update as things begin to grow (hopefully)
Oh I plan on ingesting them with gusto. I've been using distilled water for everything as I was told on shroomery and erowid. Some of the growers use lake water, but I don't trust the bacteria of Florida's water enough to do that.
Will update as things begin to grow (hopefully)
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,593
@previous (Fats !lbanned8o6)
Erowid is generally a good source. Also yeah, you are wiser to not use lake water considering how many contaminants exist in it. Avoid that idea like the plague.
What temperature are you keeping them at?
Erowid is generally a good source. Also yeah, you are wiser to not use lake water considering how many contaminants exist in it. Avoid that idea like the plague.
What temperature are you keeping them at?
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,597
> pints
Use quarts with bidrseed noc those... wait and noc pasteurized coco coir with your colonized quarts into a large storage tote. Its pretty exciting stuff, but pints are so much a waste of time in comparison with bulk methods. Bulk is just as easy as pints... basically except you get 1/2 or 1 lb instead of an oz. Fuchs is dead on about contamination, mold spores travel by the millions and can be an asspain to get rid of, don't check too often though or you actually increase the risk.
Use quarts with bidrseed noc those... wait and noc pasteurized coco coir with your colonized quarts into a large storage tote. Its pretty exciting stuff, but pints are so much a waste of time in comparison with bulk methods. Bulk is just as easy as pints... basically except you get 1/2 or 1 lb instead of an oz. Fuchs is dead on about contamination, mold spores travel by the millions and can be an asspain to get rid of, don't check too often though or you actually increase the risk.
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 34 seconds later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,599
@254,593 (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
I'm keeping them between 82-85. Humidity isn't an issue until the cakes come out of the jars. I've got the heating pad hooked to an automatic timer. 30 min on, 30 min off. It's maintaining about 83 atm. I'll have to monitor it at least twice daily, though.
The lake water thing was for rehydrating the cakes come to think of it. I still smelled a troll with that suggestion though.
I'm keeping them between 82-85. Humidity isn't an issue until the cakes come out of the jars. I've got the heating pad hooked to an automatic timer. 30 min on, 30 min off. It's maintaining about 83 atm. I'll have to monitor it at least twice daily, though.
The lake water thing was for rehydrating the cakes come to think of it. I still smelled a troll with that suggestion though.
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,601
@254,597 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
I have one jar that is birdseed. My friend is trying birdseed cakes this time and let me try one with my spores.
What do you mean about checking too often? Opening the lid?
I have one jar that is birdseed. My friend is trying birdseed cakes this time and let me try one with my spores.
What do you mean about checking too often? Opening the lid?
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,606
@254,599 (Fats !lbanned8o6)
82-85? Jesus Christ, no no no.
Oh, I just realized you were talking about Fahrenheit, not Celsius.
82-85? Jesus Christ, no no no.
Oh, I just realized you were talking about Fahrenheit, not Celsius.
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Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,609
@254,601 (Fats !lbanned8o6)
> Opening the lid?
Not of the jar 0_0 lol. At any point during the process even (after birthing) avoid over-checking, swishing air around etc. Just let them do their thing, check every 10 days or so. When you noc bulk you can't check for 30 days, no matter how bad you want to.
I haven't done pints since I was a teen, but I remember spraying them so... yeah you have to do that, but leave them alone besides necessary stuffs.
> Opening the lid?
Not of the jar 0_0 lol. At any point during the process even (after birthing) avoid over-checking, swishing air around etc. Just let them do their thing, check every 10 days or so. When you noc bulk you can't check for 30 days, no matter how bad you want to.
I haven't done pints since I was a teen, but I remember spraying them so... yeah you have to do that, but leave them alone besides necessary stuffs.
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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 57 seconds later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,610
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Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG replied with this 15 years ago, 57 seconds later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,612
@254,609 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
This is what I meant. When I said "Check them every 12 hours or as often as possible" I meant that if you are using glass or plastic, just observe them from the outside in. You want to see if coloration changes drastically or if there are obvious mold spots growing. You wouldn't ever want to actually remove the lid. That doesn't even take a minute to just casually observe how your growth is managing.
This is what I meant. When I said "Check them every 12 hours or as often as possible" I meant that if you are using glass or plastic, just observe them from the outside in. You want to see if coloration changes drastically or if there are obvious mold spots growing. You wouldn't ever want to actually remove the lid. That doesn't even take a minute to just casually observe how your growth is managing.
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Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,620
@254,609 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Gotcha. I didn't plan on removing the lids of the jars lolol. If I can successfully do this, I plan on moving up to quart jars, or just investing in an old deep-freezer that I can sanitize and do some serious cultivating with.
Gotcha. I didn't plan on removing the lids of the jars lolol. If I can successfully do this, I plan on moving up to quart jars, or just investing in an old deep-freezer that I can sanitize and do some serious cultivating with.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #254,622
@previous (Fats !lbanned8o6)Casing is barely more difficult than what you're doing now with like 100x more reward. Spores, birdseed, coco coir, vermiculite, patience and sterility.
A deep freezer would be a pain in the ass. Big storage totes are cheap, easy and effective. Research casing, shroomery has a sub-forum for it in the cultivation section IIRC. Hypothetically a guy could do a dozen or so good casings and have enough for a lifetime. I may or may not be speaking from experience.
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Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #254,627
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)Thanks for the advice, bro. I may or may not ask you for more in the future, cool?
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #254,628
@previous (Fats !lbanned8o6)
> I may or may not ask you for more in the future, cool?
No problem at all.
> I may or may not ask you for more in the future, cool?
No problem at all.
Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #254,641
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #254,642
@previous (H)
Lack of proper airflow, would be hard to get it right even if you wanted to and a bitch to clean properly.
Lack of proper airflow, would be hard to get it right even if you wanted to and a bitch to clean properly.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 35 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #254,656
@254,622 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Oh man, if I had that many shrooms I don't think I'd leave my house for a year.
Oh man, if I had that many shrooms I don't think I'd leave my house for a year.
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Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 24 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #254,663
@previous (J)
I don't know but I'm definitely going to grow some now. Haven't done it since college and I really miss it. It's just never convenient for me. I don't like tripping alone and I very much prefer weed or Ecstasy for sex.
Call me old fashioned, but I feel sex on shrooms cheapens the spiritual experience and sex is just weird all around.
So tell me, where can a dude in his early 30's find some good trip buddies?
I don't know but I'm definitely going to grow some now. Haven't done it since college and I really miss it. It's just never convenient for me. I don't like tripping alone and I very much prefer weed or Ecstasy for sex.
Call me old fashioned, but I feel sex on shrooms cheapens the spiritual experience and sex is just weird all around.
So tell me, where can a dude in his early 30's find some good trip buddies?
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 18 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #254,949
I was expecting a to4str thread.
I am disappoint. :(
I am disappoint. :(
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Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 days later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #258,147
Bumping with pics of mycelium forming.Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 33 seconds later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #258,148
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 29 seconds later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #258,149
Cobweb mold. This one has been quarantined.Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) quadruple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #258,150
This one has mold but is still growing mycelium. Should I just toss it, or should I see if the mycelium takes over the mold?Green !6PPj7P5Iag joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 36 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #258,152
Are the mushrooms on bread magic?
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 35 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #258,162
@258,150 (Fats !lbanned8o6)
Any form of mold must be eradicated. Out of the house! Just wrap in newspaper and smash that shit in the garbage. Mold is going to haunt the fuck out of you unless you get a pressure cooker. Mold is a total loss, no saving it.
Any form of mold must be eradicated. Out of the house! Just wrap in newspaper and smash that shit in the garbage. Mold is going to haunt the fuck out of you unless you get a pressure cooker. Mold is a total loss, no saving it.
Fats !lbanned8o6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #258,167
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Fuck. I was afraid you'd say that. Oh well, it's only in two jars and I figured I'd lose a couple at least.
Fuck. I was afraid you'd say that. Oh well, it's only in two jars and I figured I'd lose a couple at least.