Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 57 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#251,822
@251,804 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
The meaning of life is subjective. Facts are objective. Hence trying to force a link between the two is dumb. Dawkins is better than that. I doubt he'd do so were there not so much money in it.
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Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#251,832
@previous (E) > The meaning of life is subjective.
Yeah it is subjective in the human mind sure, but in a biological sense its just reproduce and evolve to be more successful. All in all it's not really that important of a subject. I'm sorry I was a dick in my other post, uncalled for.
> Dawkins is better than that. I doubt he'd do so were there not so much money in it.
I agree, I imagine at this point Dawkins does stuff mostly for the money. Religion etc gets tiring to discuss... it can't be thrilling for him, but I do admire that he keeps at it.
boop !Bz2S2BFeXI joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#251,853
If he were genuinely interested in ending problems caused by religion he would be careful not to turn atheism into a religion, that's all, he would say "be self-critical, don't agree with everything I say, being atheist doesn't make you immune to self-justification". He may have mentioned this once in an ambiguous manner in a footnote somewhere sometime, regardless I haven't seen it yet, it certainly isn't the core of his argument as it should be. Oh and I'm not anything, I'm not theist or atheist or part of any religion. I'm just saying. Hate all you want.
!JuMPb0dbaE joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#251,868
@previous (boop !Bz2S2BFeXI)
He would agree with you. You haven't read or seen very much of what he says.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#251,872
> Yeah it is subjective in the human mind sure, but in a biological sense its just reproduce and evolve to be more successful. All in all it's not really that important of a subject.
You are so retarded it pains me to read your posts. The purpose of life is not "to evolve and be more successful". This is retarded magical thinking. Evolution just happens; it is not part of a great plan to achieve a purpose.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#251,882
@previous (H)
Cool story christfag. You are a delusional, basement-dwelling autistic retard. No one here gives a single shit what you say.
green !6PPj7P5Iag joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#251,885
What if Richard Dawkins war God?
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#251,902
"Fuck[ing] bitches" is not a purpose but a means of achieving a purpose.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#251,937
@previous (H) > or RNA.
Yes, but I was talking about our purpose. > "Fuck[ing] bitches" is not a purpose but a means of achieving a purpose.
Good point.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 45 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#251,943
Dawkins actually does say this at times, but his actions and rhetoric are eerily similar to an evangelist. It's appears disingenuous. On the one hand he'll claim he's not trying to "convert" anyone, on the other he'll write a big check for pro-atheist advertisements.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 4 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,045
@251,853 (boop !Bz2S2BFeXI) > I'm not theist or atheist
That's impossible. If you hold a belief in God you're a theist, if you don't you're an atheist. You must be one.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,048
@previous (K)
Sounds like he/she's a nihilist. I never could relate to/understand nihilism, it's so much wtf am i reading.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 52 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,067
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,079
@252,075 (M)
Yes it does. That's what atheism is: not believing in God. If you don't hold a belief in God, you're an atheist. If you do, you're a theist.
floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 0 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,080
@252,078 (buspuppie !!hkv8K5ZEY)
seems like a definition that was thrust onto them by other people. Does a nihilist truly identify with nihilism, or do they just recognize the futility of defining themselves as anything?
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,081
@252,078 (buspuppie !!hkv8K5ZEY)
MM shtick = disagree with everything and insult everyone
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,082
@252,078 (buspuppie !!hkv8K5ZEY)
I think he's one of those people who thinks atheism is believing there's no God, when in reality it's just not believing there is one.
Anonymous K double-posted this 15 years ago, 20 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,083
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,092
@252,088 (buspuppie !!hkv8K5ZEY)
He's saying you have to assert that you know there is no god/s to be an atheist, but the line between atheism and agnosticism has almost disappeared. Few atheist would claim to know without a doubt there are gods, they simply don't believe in supernatural fairy tales.
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 17 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,117
Actually, I think you'll find that we're both right since nobody standardizes words. But regardless this is what I use. Fuck you for telling me what I can and cannot call things.
Anonymous M double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,143
Strong atheism: I know that no god exists. I reject the belief in god. (Gnostic atheism)
Weak atheism: I do not know whether god exists. I reject the belief in god. (Agnostic atheism)
Simply fulfilling the first part (I do not know if god exists) does not make you an atheist. It does make you an agnostic. You can also have gnostic and agnostic theists.
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Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 29 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,144
@252,141 (M) > Fuck you for telling me what I can and cannot call things.
You can call things whatever you want, doesn't mean you're right though.
If a belief in God is absent you're an atheist, if you do have a belief you're theist. It makes no sense to say "I'm not atheist or agnostic" because you either have the belief or you don't. Glad we cleared that up.
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 24 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,145
Atheism or theism describes your belief in God; if you have a belief you're theist, if you don't you're atheist.
Agnosticism or gnosticism describes your claim to know for certain whether God does or doesn't exist; if you claim you know for certain, you're gnostic, if you say you can't be certain you're agnostic.
Atheism and agnosticism answer two different questions; whether you believe and whether you claim to know for certain that your belief is true.
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Anonymous K double-posted this 15 years ago, 31 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,152
Am I talking down to him like he is to me? Fuck off.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 39 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,157
@252,155 (M) > But in application, one cannot be an atheist or a theist without being also a gnostic or an agnostic.
Precisely! You're either a gnostic atheist, or agnostic atheist - and likewise you're either a gnostic theist or an agnostic theist.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 35 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,158
Yes, you can either reject the existence of god or you can be unsure. This is called "weak atheism" but is never usually classed as atheism in practise. If you asked an agnostic atheist what they thought you would hear something like "I am not sure, maybe there is, but maybe not."
Anonymous M double-posted this 15 years ago, 17 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,161
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,167
@252,160 (M) > This is called "weak atheism" but is never usually classed as atheism in practise. > is never usually classed as atheism in practise.
Yes it is. It's an agnostic atheism. Almost all atheists are agnostic atheists, the atheists that claim they are certain there is no God (gnostic atheists) are in the minority.
buspuppie !!hkv8K5ZEY replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,170
@252,165 (M)
whatever you say. It doesn't surprise me that can't see these things about yourself. Inner reflection doesn't seem to be your thing.
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 27 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,171
Do you, or do you not, deny that if you asked an agnostic atheist in the street what they think, they would say "I am not sure, maybe there is, but maybe not."?
Anonymous M double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,172
No it isn't. Trying to "identify" people posting as anon. If it is the correct ex-namefag then it is offensive to them (since they dropped the name for a purpose and you are subverting it) and if it is some stranger then it is very annoying. Now you have wasted a lot of my, and your own, time typing attacks because you assumed that I was somebody I am not.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,177
> How can you be an atheist if you admit that there is a possibility that god exists? You cannot.
Do you still not understand what an atheist is? That would only be true if an "atheist" was someone who claimed they knew with 100% certainty that God doesn't exist, in which case they would be a gnostic atheist.
Agnostic atheists don't have a belief in God, but don't claim they're certain he doesn't exist. How many more times do I need to say this before you understand?
buspuppie !!hkv8K5ZEY replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,178
"Weak atheism" is just an easy-to-understand term that does not reflect reality. It is like saying that political parties are left-wing or right-wing -- that is just a massive oversimplification.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 45 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,186
@previous (M)
Stop trolling immediately. Please re-read this (@252,089 (K)) post until you understand. Thanks.
Anonymous K double-posted this 15 years ago, 19 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,187
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#252,216
@252,213 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
What's happened to upset you?
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#252,251
@252,201 (K)
Got any with pink heads? I prefer my black cocks to be uncut with pink heads. Just tastes better to me that way.
Also, this: @252,194, (K) is not a black cock. I've seen Korean dudes with bigger hogs than that. Definitely too small to go interracial over.
boop !Bz2S2BFeXI joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#252,258
@251,868 (!JuMPb0dbaE) > He would agree with you. You haven't read or seen very much of what he says.
I'm not going to buy one of his books and meticulously read through the entire thing just to hear him say "be careful not to turn atheism into a religion" and I shouldn't have to, it should be the core of his argument, he should say it 5 times before breakfast.