Topic: Should police be able to put a GPS on your car without a warrant?
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg started this discussion 15 years ago #14,014
The government thinks so!
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/11/supreme-court-ponders-constitutionality-of-247-gps-tracking.ars
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9QSME201.htm
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/11/supreme-court-ponders-constitutionality-of-247-gps-tracking.ars
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9QSME201.htm
The Supreme Court expressed deep reservations Tuesday about police use of GPS technology to track criminal suspects without a warrant.
But the justices appeared unsettled about how or whether to regulate GPS tracking, and whether they should look at other high-tech surveillance techniques in resolving this case.
The court heard arguments in the Obama administration's appeal of a court ruling that threw out a drug conspiracy conviction against Antoine Jones. FBI agents and local police did not have a valid search warrant when they installed a GPS device on Jones' car and collected travel information.
The justices were taken aback when the lawyer representing the government said police officers could install GPS devices on the justices' cars and track their movements without a warrant.
The court has previously ruled there is no expectation of privacy on public roads.
But the justices appeared unsettled about how or whether to regulate GPS tracking, and whether they should look at other high-tech surveillance techniques in resolving this case.
The court heard arguments in the Obama administration's appeal of a court ruling that threw out a drug conspiracy conviction against Antoine Jones. FBI agents and local police did not have a valid search warrant when they installed a GPS device on Jones' car and collected travel information.
The justices were taken aback when the lawyer representing the government said police officers could install GPS devices on the justices' cars and track their movements without a warrant.
The court has previously ruled there is no expectation of privacy on public roads.
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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later[^] [v] #249,770
Aren't the EFF taking the government to court over this?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #249,771
dis good for de pedos, they can't go near the schools, but this will likely to be used mostly be used to track druggies.marvin !H0G.H/BnJg (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #249,785
@249,770 (B)
It's a prosecution appeal... a lower appeals court had ruled the GPS evidence inadmissible. EFF submitted a friend of the court brief, it looks like.
It's a prosecution appeal... a lower appeals court had ruled the GPS evidence inadmissible. EFF submitted a friend of the court brief, it looks like.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #249,796
1984floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #249,899
> implying they don't already collect and store gps data from cell phones.
One way or another we're already constantly tracked.
One way or another we're already constantly tracked.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #249,919
@previous (floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc)
It makes a difference if it's allowed in court or not, don't you think?
It makes a difference if it's allowed in court or not, don't you think?
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #249,925
@previous (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
Yes. I'm sick of government abuses like this. There's only one candidate that I trust not to pull shit like this - Ron Paul.
Yes. I'm sick of government abuses like this. There's only one candidate that I trust not to pull shit like this - Ron Paul.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #249,959
@249,919 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
I thought you might say that, and i have a prepared response: probably
I thought you might say that, and i have a prepared response: probably
boop !Bz2S2BFeXI joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #249,982
Anyone can put a GPS on your car without a warrant.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #249,983
@previous (boop !Bz2S2BFeXI)
Sure anyone can, lawfully though? No. The topic was about the police, not anyone you retarded shyster.
Sure anyone can, lawfully though? No. The topic was about the police, not anyone you retarded shyster.
boop !Bz2S2BFeXI replied with this 15 years ago, 42 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #249,993
@previous (H)> shyster
How many times in history have realists been called cynics?
Anyone with most rudimentary electronics qualification can pluck untraceable parts out of an old mobile phone, stick it somewhere on your car and use some GPS service to trace your every move, private detectives do it all the time. The police will do it with or without a warrant and if you ever do find one you won't be able to pin it on them. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying what has to be said. At least now you can attempt to figure out ways to detect these devices, whereas before in your haze of ignorance you were utterly defenceless beyond whining.
boop !Bz2S2BFeXI double-posted this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #249,995
Also, you could ensure the GPS services record information about who requested the tracking, so if the device is found it can be linked to the service and the service can provide information on who paid for it.
You wouldn't have thought of that in your haze of ignorance. See how emotions make you irrational? Feeling more motivated due to some emotions doesn't necessarily mean you will act more effectively.
You wouldn't have thought of that in your haze of ignorance. See how emotions make you irrational? Feeling more motivated due to some emotions doesn't necessarily mean you will act more effectively.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #250,081
@249,982 (boop !Bz2S2BFeXI)
@249,993 (boop !Bz2S2BFeXI)
@previous (boop !Bz2S2BFeXI)
I like the effort.
@249,993 (boop !Bz2S2BFeXI)
@previous (boop !Bz2S2BFeXI)
I like the effort.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #250,090
boop !Bz2S2BFeXI joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 29 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #250,096
@250,081 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
thx, sometimes stating a logical sequence of facts and axioms isn't enough, you have to use emotive arguments, I try to keep my standards when I do this
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
No, Spock was right though and I'm not afraid to say it. In fact I already have said it.
http://minichan.org/topic/13868
thx, sometimes stating a logical sequence of facts and axioms isn't enough, you have to use emotive arguments, I try to keep my standards when I do this
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
No, Spock was right though and I'm not afraid to say it. In fact I already have said it.
http://minichan.org/topic/13868