Topic: What's going to happen in France?
Anonymous A started this discussion 21 hours ago #139,189
So the protests have been going for quite some time but Macron still has like 6-7 months left in office. You think there's enough momentum in these protests to build up to a revolution in the next 6 months or is it all pointless and they'll just wait for the next election? It's possible for Macron to be impeached and removed but it's unlikely.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 21 hours ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #1,471,036
For reference the Euromaidan protests in Ukraine lasted 3 months before their revolution in 2014.
🍋 joined in and replied with this 13 hours ago, 7 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,119
Well, I’ve seen protests happen before in western developed countries. Usually how it works is something in a social media algorithm (people don’t write these algorithms so who knows why) causes everybody to suddenly be on the same page about some issue, they all protest, and then one day it just stops and everybody forgets about it because wealthy westerners have the attention spans of goldfish.
🍋 joined in and replied with this 13 hours ago, 8 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,120
The best protests are the ones where I get bent over!
🍋 replied with this 13 hours ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,122
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 13 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,124
france protests at least once a day, nothing will come of it as its basically their version of two minutes hate.
🍋 replied with this 13 hours ago, 11 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,134
Anonymous D replied with this 13 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,136
@previous (🍋)
yeah, getting ebola from eating monkeys is slightly better than a country full of foids
yeah, getting ebola from eating monkeys is slightly better than a country full of foids
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 12 hours ago, 16 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,142
There's a lot of directionless anger, and the protests can be pretty mixed, but I'm not sure it's Frenchmen out there flying Palestinian flags and burning down 19th-century architecture (Limoges city hall). Look at their self-appointed spokeswoman, Soumaya Sarré, and then look at protest footage. Pay enough attention and you'll spot something.
This will end in the same way all these vague, directionless "cost of living" protests end: in nothing of substance. Hell, even when they do have clear goals (think the 2023 pension reform protests), they seldom achieve anything beyond the pointless destruction of property (I take it back, maybe these protesters are the real inheritors of l'esprit français!). Sometimes, they'll score a minor political concession (that's quickly reversed come the next government... plus ça change).
This will end in the same way all these vague, directionless "cost of living" protests end: in nothing of substance. Hell, even when they do have clear goals (think the 2023 pension reform protests), they seldom achieve anything beyond the pointless destruction of property (I take it back, maybe these protesters are the real inheritors of l'esprit français!). Sometimes, they'll score a minor political concession (that's quickly reversed come the next government... plus ça change).
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 12 hours ago, 29 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,156
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 12 hours ago, 9 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,157
@1,471,136 (D)> yeah, getting ebola from eating monkeys is slightly better than a country full of foids
Fun facts:
Chimpanzees are not monkeys and chimpanzees don’t live in most parts of Nigeria.
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Anonymous G double-posted this 12 hours ago, 43 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,158
Monkeys have tails. Anything with a tail is not a monkey by definition.
Anonymous E replied with this 12 hours ago, 12 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,168
@previous (G)
> Monkeys have tails. Anything with a tail is not a monkey by definition.
Great as a rule of thumb, but some monkeys also don't. Barbary macaques don't have tails, only a vestigial stump (like the vestigial tail all apes have, including humans - the coccyx).
> Monkeys have tails. Anything with a tail is not a monkey by definition.
Great as a rule of thumb, but some monkeys also don't. Barbary macaques don't have tails, only a vestigial stump (like the vestigial tail all apes have, including humans - the coccyx).
Anonymous E double-posted this 11 hours ago, 9 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,175
@1,471,157 (G)
> Chimpanzees are not monkeys and chimpanzees don’t live in most parts of Nigeria.
Monkey meat (not chimpanzee) really is a noted vector of Ebola in Nigeria though, and has caused human deaths. Here's one incident:
https://thenationonlineng.net/ebola-custom-impounds-trailer-load-of-monkey-meat/
And Ebola virus remains viable on monkey carcasses for 7 days, so it's a real risk.
But monkey meat (and bats) started disappearing from Nigerian markets shortly after the first case in 2014, so at least the public (or authorities?) have some sense. They had to destroy truckloads of monkey meat around the same time.
> Chimpanzees are not monkeys and chimpanzees don’t live in most parts of Nigeria.
Monkey meat (not chimpanzee) really is a noted vector of Ebola in Nigeria though, and has caused human deaths. Here's one incident:
Monkey is suspected to be one of the major source of the virus which has caused the death of five Nigerians.
https://thenationonlineng.net/ebola-custom-impounds-trailer-load-of-monkey-meat/
And Ebola virus remains viable on monkey carcasses for 7 days, so it's a real risk.
But monkey meat (and bats) started disappearing from Nigerian markets shortly after the first case in 2014, so at least the public (or authorities?) have some sense. They had to destroy truckloads of monkey meat around the same time.
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Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 11 hours ago, 8 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,180
@previous (E)
Sort of like how Americans stopped eating deer after prion disease started spreading in deer populations.
Oh wait, no they didn’t stop.
Sort of like how Americans stopped eating deer after prion disease started spreading in deer populations.
Oh wait, no they didn’t stop.
Anonymous E replied with this 11 hours ago, 25 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,185
@previous (H)Ebola can be (and has been) transmitted to humans from eating monkeys. Prion disease affecting deer and elk (CWD) has never infected humans, and there's no evidence it's transmissible from eating deer meat (per the CDC). Apparently scientists speculate that eating the brain could possibly transmit it. We don't eat deer brains, though; some Nigerian tribes do eat monkey brains (and in the Hadzabe tribe of Tanzania it's routine).
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Anonymous H replied with this 11 hours ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,186
Anonymous H double-posted this 11 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,187
Anonymous E replied with this 11 hours ago, 6 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,188
@1,471,186 (H)
CWD has been around for at least 60 years by now in America. No human cases. Yes, kuru and iatrogenic CJD have long incubation periods. But for variant CJD, the kind you acquire from contaminated meat, it's only 10 to 20 years (and can be as little as 4). Luckily for us CWD is different; it has a strong species barrier. It's been tested directly on human organoids (brain tissue in a petri dish), and the CWD prions completely fail to convert healthy human prion proteins into pathogenic prions. So we're safe. Hence no sick Americans, unlike the Nigerians who sadly died to eating monkeys.
CWD has been around for at least 60 years by now in America. No human cases. Yes, kuru and iatrogenic CJD have long incubation periods. But for variant CJD, the kind you acquire from contaminated meat, it's only 10 to 20 years (and can be as little as 4). Luckily for us CWD is different; it has a strong species barrier. It's been tested directly on human organoids (brain tissue in a petri dish), and the CWD prions completely fail to convert healthy human prion proteins into pathogenic prions. So we're safe. Hence no sick Americans, unlike the Nigerians who sadly died to eating monkeys.
Anonymous H replied with this 10 hours ago, 16 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,191
@previous (E)
It’s not considered completely safe, you’re never supposed to eat meat from a deer with chronic wasting disease.
It’s not considered completely safe, you’re never supposed to eat meat from a deer with chronic wasting disease.
Anonymous E replied with this 10 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,193
@previous (H)
It's advised against because "we're 99% sure, and have tested it" still isn't "we're 100% sure", and mutation is a potential factor. It's still a very safe conclusion that there is no human transmissibility. A very different situation from eating monkeys, as you can see.
It's advised against because "we're 99% sure, and have tested it" still isn't "we're 100% sure", and mutation is a potential factor. It's still a very safe conclusion that there is no human transmissibility. A very different situation from eating monkeys, as you can see.
Anonymous H replied with this 10 hours ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,194
Anonymous E replied with this 10 hours ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,197
Anonymous H replied with this 10 hours ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,199
Anonymous H double-posted this 10 hours ago, 37 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,200
You were just blabbering about how it’s safe.
Anonymous E replied with this 10 hours ago, 17 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,201
@1,471,199 (H)
@previous (H)
Why would its being safe automatically mean it's something I would want to engage in, my simple friend? If I decide to skydive tomorrow, I'm statistically safer than I would be driving a car for a year; I'm still never going to skydive, but I happily drive a car year-round. People have their own risk tolerances and aversions to things that are provably safe, like flying commercially for example (which is safer than driving even evaluated mile-for-mile).
Take it up with the CDC and the researchers who found no transmissibility, if you have your doubts. As it stands, we can confidently say it's unlikely to cause harm to humans (like skydiving, and unlike eating monkey meat).
@previous (H)
Why would its being safe automatically mean it's something I would want to engage in, my simple friend? If I decide to skydive tomorrow, I'm statistically safer than I would be driving a car for a year; I'm still never going to skydive, but I happily drive a car year-round. People have their own risk tolerances and aversions to things that are provably safe, like flying commercially for example (which is safer than driving even evaluated mile-for-mile).
Take it up with the CDC and the researchers who found no transmissibility, if you have your doubts. As it stands, we can confidently say it's unlikely to cause harm to humans (like skydiving, and unlike eating monkey meat).
Anonymous H replied with this 10 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,202
Anonymous E replied with this 10 hours ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,204
@previous (H)
Nigerians and others in Africa have died from eating infected monkey meat. You made a comparison to Americans continuing to eat deer meat despite CWD. How many Americans have died, or befallen any harm at all, from eating CWD-infected deer meat - a practice not known to cause any identifiable harm? :)
Nigerians and others in Africa have died from eating infected monkey meat. You made a comparison to Americans continuing to eat deer meat despite CWD. How many Americans have died, or befallen any harm at all, from eating CWD-infected deer meat - a practice not known to cause any identifiable harm? :)
Anonymous H replied with this 10 hours ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,205
@previous (E)
This doublespeak isn’t clever. You’re trying to say Africans are dumb for eating monkeys while arguing that Americans aren’t dumb for eating diseased deer because it’s safe while also simultaneously saying you don’t want to eat diseased deer because you don’t think it’s safe.
This doublespeak isn’t clever. You’re trying to say Africans are dumb for eating monkeys while arguing that Americans aren’t dumb for eating diseased deer because it’s safe while also simultaneously saying you don’t want to eat diseased deer because you don’t think it’s safe.
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Anonymous E replied with this 10 hours ago, 13 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,209
@previous (H)
Africans: eat monkeys, die. Dumb.
Americans: eat deer, live. Not dumb.
I've used the simplest sentence structure I can.
Eating deer meat might not be entirely without risk, but there is no known risk at present, and concrete lab evidence that it's safe (alongside the ample scientific evidence of a strong species barrier, which was finally demonstrated by the lab results on human brain tissue).
I think it's dumb to engage in a practice with a demonstrable real-world risk of death. No doublespeak to be found.
Africans: eat monkeys, die. Dumb.
Americans: eat deer, live. Not dumb.
I've used the simplest sentence structure I can.
Eating deer meat might not be entirely without risk, but there is no known risk at present, and concrete lab evidence that it's safe (alongside the ample scientific evidence of a strong species barrier, which was finally demonstrated by the lab results on human brain tissue).
I think it's dumb to engage in a practice with a demonstrable real-world risk of death. No doublespeak to be found.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 9 hours ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,210
@previous (E)
Have you ever considered that people in poor countries just eat animals that happen to live in those countries and there’s nothing inherently weirder about eating a money than eating a deer or are you just a racist weirdo who needs to feel superior about people dying from disease?
Have you ever considered that people in poor countries just eat animals that happen to live in those countries and there’s nothing inherently weirder about eating a money than eating a deer or are you just a racist weirdo who needs to feel superior about people dying from disease?
Anonymous I double-posted this 9 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,211
It’s also obvious why Americans don’t eat monkeys: monkeys don’t naturally inhabit the United States. It’s obvious that there are plenty of people in America who choose not to get vaccinated despite having access to information. You even said yourself that Nigerians stopped eating monkeys as much after people got sick from eating monkeys. Portraying people with less access to information as stupid in spite of them changing their behavior when they find out something could be dangerous, but acting like another group of people is superior for not eating an animal that doesn’t even live in their country doesn’t make any sense.
Anonymous E replied with this 9 hours ago, 11 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,216
@1,471,210 (I)
If you knew anything about it, you'd know that bushmeat like monkey isn't necessarily (or even commonly) eaten out of economic necessity. In a lot of markets (like Oluo) it was/is a luxury item; you can see people documenting that market on YouTube. Nigeria stopped truckloads of monkey meat from arriving into the country in 2014, well after the first Ebola case linked to eating infected monkey - that's hardly impoverished communities hunting to survive, it's a cultural preference for monkey meat, meat which can command a high price.
> Monkey meat is not considered cheap in Nigeria; in fact, bushmeat (wild game) generally commands a premium price and is often more expensive than conventional proteins like chicken, beef, or fish. While poverty drives some rural hunting for basic survival, in urban markets and specialized "bushmeat joints," wild game is treated as a cultural delicacy.
I have genuine sympathy for people who have to resort to eating dangerous meat out of necessity. The Nigerian health authorities' suspicion lies with monkey meat that appeared in bushmeat markets, however, where it isn't cheap. That isn't necessity-driven consumption.
If you knew anything about it, you'd know that bushmeat like monkey isn't necessarily (or even commonly) eaten out of economic necessity. In a lot of markets (like Oluo) it was/is a luxury item; you can see people documenting that market on YouTube. Nigeria stopped truckloads of monkey meat from arriving into the country in 2014, well after the first Ebola case linked to eating infected monkey - that's hardly impoverished communities hunting to survive, it's a cultural preference for monkey meat, meat which can command a high price.
> Monkey meat is not considered cheap in Nigeria; in fact, bushmeat (wild game) generally commands a premium price and is often more expensive than conventional proteins like chicken, beef, or fish. While poverty drives some rural hunting for basic survival, in urban markets and specialized "bushmeat joints," wild game is treated as a cultural delicacy.
I have genuine sympathy for people who have to resort to eating dangerous meat out of necessity. The Nigerian health authorities' suspicion lies with monkey meat that appeared in bushmeat markets, however, where it isn't cheap. That isn't necessity-driven consumption.
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Anonymous E double-posted this 9 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,218
@1,471,211 (I)
Yes, and I applaud the Nigerian authorities for clamping down on monkey meat and preventing its ingress over the border. Wise move, and their public health campaign (combined with people's natural aversion to dying) seems to have done a good job of dissuading the bulk of the remaining monkey-eating portions of the public. I'm not arguing that Nigerians as a people are "dumb", I'm arguing that where the practice continues, that is dumb, and that no comparison can be drawn to Americans continuing to eat deer. That's it. Nothing more.
More narrowly, I think that continuing to eat monkey meat out of anything other than economic necessity is dumb. I don't believe there's any evidence that consumption is majorly driven by poverty, given the higher price monkey meat commands on bushmeat markets, but I could never fault a person for choosing to eat risky meat when the alternative is starvation.
Yes, and I applaud the Nigerian authorities for clamping down on monkey meat and preventing its ingress over the border. Wise move, and their public health campaign (combined with people's natural aversion to dying) seems to have done a good job of dissuading the bulk of the remaining monkey-eating portions of the public. I'm not arguing that Nigerians as a people are "dumb", I'm arguing that where the practice continues, that is dumb, and that no comparison can be drawn to Americans continuing to eat deer. That's it. Nothing more.
More narrowly, I think that continuing to eat monkey meat out of anything other than economic necessity is dumb. I don't believe there's any evidence that consumption is majorly driven by poverty, given the higher price monkey meat commands on bushmeat markets, but I could never fault a person for choosing to eat risky meat when the alternative is starvation.
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Anonymous D replied with this 6 hours ago, 3 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,471,259
this thread got nigger quick