Topic: Interesting article
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. started this discussion 15 years ago #13,893
The conditions Cameron should lay down for Scottish independence are these :
1. Scotland to take a share of the UK National debt (excluding the costs involved in supporting Scottish banks and building societies, mainly the RBS and HBOS banks) proportionate to the percentage of the UK population in Scotland. The servicing of this debt to be the first charge on Scotland’s public financing.
2. Scotland to pay for the past and future costs of bailing out Scottish banks and building societies.
3. The huge English subsidies to Scotland to cease immediately on a Yes vote being achieved.
4. All English public sector jobs which have been exported to Scotland to be brought back to England. This would include not merely traditional civil service posts, but facilities such as those supporting UK nuclear submarines.
5. Scotland to launch its own currency or join the Euro. If they remain tied to the pound they would have no true independence and practically be dependent on England for the macro management of their economy.
6. The division of the oil and gas fields to be made on the basis of extending a line at the angle of the coastline on the England-Scotland border. This is in accordance with the UN convention on the Law of the Sea article 7 - see http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf.
This would give England a substantial proportion of the oil and even more of the gas fields.
7. Scotland to be gifted any state owned building in Scotland but to have no claim on publicly owned facilities in the remainder of the UK.
8. Nuclear submarines and any other fundamentally important military equipment to be moved to England
9. All military research to be moved to England.
10. All future UK defence expenditure to be made in the remainder of the UK.
11. Scotland to form its own armed forces. These will have to be capable of not only defending Scottish land but also of policing Scottish territorial waters.
12. Scotland to be gifted all military establishments in Scotland , but Scotland to have no claim on military establishments elsewhere in the UK or abroad.
13. Military equipment. Scotland to be gifted existing equipment sufficient to equip whatever forces Scotland forms provided this equipment does not exceed what is available to similar UK forces.
14. All publicly funded non-military research in Scotland to be moved to the remainder of the UK.
15. Scotland to be responsible for the payment of all public sector pensions earned in Scotland before independence.
16. Scotland to be responsible for a share proportionate to the percentage of the UK population in Scotland of EU related pension earned before independence.
17. Scotland to be responsible for the financing all government contracts relating to building, goods and services supplied in Scotland which were entered into before independence.
18. Property relating to UK diplomatic missions to remain the property of the remainder of the UK.
19. Scotland to be responsible for a share of diplomatic pensions earned before independence proportionate to the percentage of the UK population in Scotland.
20. Scotland to be responsible for a share of any public service pensions other than those related to the diplomatic corps which is earned abroad before independence proportionate to the percentage of the UK population in Scotland.
1. Scotland to take a share of the UK National debt (excluding the costs involved in supporting Scottish banks and building societies, mainly the RBS and HBOS banks) proportionate to the percentage of the UK population in Scotland. The servicing of this debt to be the first charge on Scotland’s public financing.
2. Scotland to pay for the past and future costs of bailing out Scottish banks and building societies.
3. The huge English subsidies to Scotland to cease immediately on a Yes vote being achieved.
4. All English public sector jobs which have been exported to Scotland to be brought back to England. This would include not merely traditional civil service posts, but facilities such as those supporting UK nuclear submarines.
5. Scotland to launch its own currency or join the Euro. If they remain tied to the pound they would have no true independence and practically be dependent on England for the macro management of their economy.
6. The division of the oil and gas fields to be made on the basis of extending a line at the angle of the coastline on the England-Scotland border. This is in accordance with the UN convention on the Law of the Sea article 7 - see http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf.
This would give England a substantial proportion of the oil and even more of the gas fields.
7. Scotland to be gifted any state owned building in Scotland but to have no claim on publicly owned facilities in the remainder of the UK.
8. Nuclear submarines and any other fundamentally important military equipment to be moved to England
9. All military research to be moved to England.
10. All future UK defence expenditure to be made in the remainder of the UK.
11. Scotland to form its own armed forces. These will have to be capable of not only defending Scottish land but also of policing Scottish territorial waters.
12. Scotland to be gifted all military establishments in Scotland , but Scotland to have no claim on military establishments elsewhere in the UK or abroad.
13. Military equipment. Scotland to be gifted existing equipment sufficient to equip whatever forces Scotland forms provided this equipment does not exceed what is available to similar UK forces.
14. All publicly funded non-military research in Scotland to be moved to the remainder of the UK.
15. Scotland to be responsible for the payment of all public sector pensions earned in Scotland before independence.
16. Scotland to be responsible for a share proportionate to the percentage of the UK population in Scotland of EU related pension earned before independence.
17. Scotland to be responsible for the financing all government contracts relating to building, goods and services supplied in Scotland which were entered into before independence.
18. Property relating to UK diplomatic missions to remain the property of the remainder of the UK.
19. Scotland to be responsible for a share of diplomatic pensions earned before independence proportionate to the percentage of the UK population in Scotland.
20. Scotland to be responsible for a share of any public service pensions other than those related to the diplomatic corps which is earned abroad before independence proportionate to the percentage of the UK population in Scotland.
http://englandcalling.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/scottish-independence-yes-but-only-on-these-terms/
I think this is a good idea. Make it happen, Dave.
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #248,060
Scotland should join Scandinavia.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #248,061
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #248,062
That doesn't sound too bad, actually. Not as bad as I was expecting.
@previous (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
SUPERIOR ETHNIC ORIGINS NO NIGGERS DETROIT
@previous (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
SUPERIOR ETHNIC ORIGINS NO NIGGERS DETROIT
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #248,063
@248,061 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
Scandinavia has a low unemployment rate and is clearly seeking diversity which Scotland's redheads are able to provide!
Scandinavia has a low unemployment rate and is clearly seeking diversity which Scotland's redheads are able to provide!
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #248,064
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Completely irrelevant. We aren't even talking about diversity.
@248,062 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I doubt any of this would happen but it would be nice. Hopefully we can get something back from Scotland after subsidizing them for 3 centuries.
Completely irrelevant. We aren't even talking about diversity.
@248,062 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I doubt any of this would happen but it would be nice. Hopefully we can get something back from Scotland after subsidizing them for 3 centuries.
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #248,065
@previous (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
What makes it relevant is that Scandinavia is seeking a need that Scotland can provide (genetic diversity and cheap workers) and Scotland is seeking a need that Scandinavia can provide (employment and independence from England).
What makes it relevant is that Scandinavia is seeking a need that Scotland can provide (genetic diversity and cheap workers) and Scotland is seeking a need that Scandinavia can provide (employment and independence from England).
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #248,066
@previous (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Stop shitting up my thread, you fucking inbred cunt. Scotland won't be joining Scandinavia. Now fuck off.
Stop shitting up my thread, you fucking inbred cunt. Scotland won't be joining Scandinavia. Now fuck off.
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #248,067
@previous (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
Why do you want Scotland so bad? Are you afraid they will become a member of the developed world after they leave that malignant tumor known as the UK?
Why do you want Scotland so bad? Are you afraid they will become a member of the developed world after they leave that malignant tumor known as the UK?
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #248,070
Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #248,072
Handel !khEOdtKF56 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #248,074
@248,065 (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Fucking lol'd.
There's more of a chance of Scotland joining Scandinavia than Scotland actually becoming an independent state.
Fucking lol'd.
There's more of a chance of Scotland joining Scandinavia than Scotland actually becoming an independent state.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #248,092
David won't do anything because he's a useless sack of shit.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,098
@previous (E)
It's not a matter of him having the political clout to get it through, it's a matter of getting everyone else to agree with it all, which obviously won't quite happen.
It's not a matter of him having the political clout to get it through, it's a matter of getting everyone else to agree with it all, which obviously won't quite happen.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 35 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,102
Holy shit no one cares
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,103
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@248,105 (Walter Calton !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
I thought Scotland was racially pure and was better than England and loli and Scandinavia muslims hong kong inferior ASUS.
I thought Scotland was racially pure and was better than England and loli and Scandinavia muslims hong kong inferior ASUS.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,108
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,109
Scandinavia isn't a single country, knobhead.
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Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,128
@248,115 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
EU referendum. As part of his campaign he promised to hold a referendum as soon as possible; now he's against it and told Tory MPs to vote against it.
He promised not to raise VAT; it's now being raised from 17.5% to 20%.
There are more things, like his promise to protect the Army from cuts.
EU referendum. As part of his campaign he promised to hold a referendum as soon as possible; now he's against it and told Tory MPs to vote against it.
He promised not to raise VAT; it's now being raised from 17.5% to 20%.
There are more things, like his promise to protect the Army from cuts.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,129
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> now he's against it and told Tory MPs to vote against it.
Technically, he just gave it a three-line whip.
> now he's against it and told Tory MPs to vote against it.
Technically, he just gave it a three-line whip.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,130
@248,128 (E)
> EU referendum.
Not in our national interest.
> He promised not to raise VAT; it's now being raised from 17.5% to 20%.
Shit happens.
> protect the Army from cuts.
Out of all the armed forces the Army has probably had the least amount of cuts.
> EU referendum.
Not in our national interest.
> He promised not to raise VAT; it's now being raised from 17.5% to 20%.
Shit happens.
> protect the Army from cuts.
Out of all the armed forces the Army has probably had the least amount of cuts.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,133
@previous (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
> > EU referendum.
> Not in our national interest.
Why the fuck not? You're starting to sound like Cameron himself. We're a democracy and we should be allowed to vote on important issues.
> > He promised not to raise VAT; it's now being raised from 17.5% to 20%.
> Lies happen.
FTFY.
> > protect the Army from cuts.
> Out of all the armed forces the Army has probably had the least amount of cuts.
[citation needed]
> > EU referendum.
> Not in our national interest.
Why the fuck not? You're starting to sound like Cameron himself. We're a democracy and we should be allowed to vote on important issues.
> > He promised not to raise VAT; it's now being raised from 17.5% to 20%.
> Lies happen.
FTFY.
> > protect the Army from cuts.
> Out of all the armed forces the Army has probably had the least amount of cuts.
[citation needed]
Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,134
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Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,143
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I like the ability to freely move from country to country without a visa. I also want to move to the continent someday and would prefer to just get a plane there and find a job rather than fanny about with visas.
I like the ability to freely move from country to country without a visa. I also want to move to the continent someday and would prefer to just get a plane there and find a job rather than fanny about with visas.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 19 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,170
@248,133 (E)
> > > EU referendum.
> > Not in our national interest.
> Why the fuck not? You're starting to sound like Cameron himself. We're a democracy and we should be allowed to vote on important issues.
The general population is not informed enough to make such an important decision.
> > > He promised not to raise VAT; it's now being raised from 17.5% to 20%.
> > Lies happen.
> FTFY.
Funny.
> > > protect the Army from cuts.
> > Out of all the armed forces the Army has probably had the least amount of cuts.
> [citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defence_and_Security_Review#British_Army
> > > EU referendum.
> > Not in our national interest.
> Why the fuck not? You're starting to sound like Cameron himself. We're a democracy and we should be allowed to vote on important issues.
The general population is not informed enough to make such an important decision.
> > > He promised not to raise VAT; it's now being raised from 17.5% to 20%.
> > Lies happen.
> FTFY.
Funny.
> > > protect the Army from cuts.
> > Out of all the armed forces the Army has probably had the least amount of cuts.
> [citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defence_and_Security_Review#British_Army
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,177
@previous (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
> The general population is not informed enough to make such an important decision.
[citation needed]
You know, there's another name for that kind of rule: a dictatorship.
> The general population is not informed enough to make such an important decision.
[citation needed]
You know, there's another name for that kind of rule: a dictatorship.
Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 56 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,180
@previous (E)
> > The general population is not informed enough to make such an important decision.
> [citation needed]
Citation: The general public.
> > The general population is not informed enough to make such an important decision.
> [citation needed]
Citation: The general public.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 32 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,181
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SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 38 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,188
@248,177 (E)
Go ask someone in the street if they know how much being a member of the EU contributes to our economy.
There's my fucking citation.
Go ask someone in the street if they know how much being a member of the EU contributes to our economy.
There's my fucking citation.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 30 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,189
Anonymous H replied with this 15 years ago, 8 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,190
@248,188 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
"oh but hurr durr vote bnp so we can kik owt dose immigrants dey r steelin r jobs"
"oh but hurr durr vote bnp so we can kik owt dose immigrants dey r steelin r jobs"
Anonymous H double-posted this 15 years ago, 40 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,192
@248,189 (E)
Negate the Daily Mail readers and you get the Telegraph readers and the Red Top readers, both of whom are just as idiotic.
Negate the Daily Mail readers and you get the Telegraph readers and the Red Top readers, both of whom are just as idiotic.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,202
@248,190 (H)
Exactly. It's a shame politicians can't come out and tell these spasticated faggots exactly why they can't vote on certain things.
Exactly. It's a shame politicians can't come out and tell these spasticated faggots exactly why they can't vote on certain things.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 17 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #248,232
Scotland has no more economic, tactical or political value to the rest of the UK than the Isle of Man. Cut off without a penny and it would be begging to return in 6 months.
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