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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later[^][v]#1,466,433
I don't really use AI but I did fuck around with Gemini for a few minutes one time so that I guess. I can't imagine paying for something so shitty. People who have AI subscriptions are cucks
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,456
@previous (B)
Im a cuck. I use Claude. I use it to randomly generate practice quizzes and flashcards for import onto Anki.
Saves me a lot of time building flash cards and I can adjust the difficulty for my mock exams. So far it’s been helpful in my studies. If im confused on a topic or idea I ask for clarification.
Personally never used it for social stuff but I know people that use it to have “someone” to talk to. Cant say I blame them. Forums and to a certain extent people are trash to talk to online and IRL.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 21 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,459
@previous (C) > Personally never used it for social stuff but I know people that use it to have “someone” to talk to. Cant say I blame them. Forums and to a certain extent people are trash to talk to online and IRL.
It's only the people who use it in lieu of human friendships or begin to consider it an actual "friend" that I think have a problem. Using it for general chatting or advice isn't necessarily bad. But considering LLMs adopt the behaviours, opinions, biases, and stylistic tendencies etc. present in their training data, and one of the main sources of training data for LLMs is Reddit... I wouldn't be in a hurry to use it for dating or life advice without outside input, lol.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,463
@1,466,459 (D)
In all honesty LLMs has been very helpful. I can ask it questions or have it ELI5. Very simple layman’s terms. Very supplemental in my learning endeavors.
I like it as a tool. No different than using a dictionary or a manual of sorts.
Anonymous D replied with this 2 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,468
@previous (E)
Same pretty much. Modern models are pretty trustworthy and far less prone to hallucinating, although I do check their output when it matters. I've finally been able to understand certain concepts I could never have understood (or that would've taken ages) pre-LLM, weird as that sounds to say. I get the hate for AI when it's misused or replacing humans' jobs in certain contexts, but for me LLMs have been great.
Live&Lemon double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,487
All I’m saying, is if you wouldn’t write it down in an email and send it directly to the government with your full legal name, you probably shouldn’t say it to an online chatbot, because in terms of access, they would be legally required to hand over the chat logs.
Live&Lemon joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 28 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,509
@previous (B)
I’ve heard Anthropic has good models, but I find it annoying to listen to their CEO, because if you look at his past, clearly he’s a smart guy, but the stuff that comes out of his mouth are things that somebody as smart as he is shouldn’t say. Like "we don’t know if the models are conscious" or worrying about the emotional wellbeing of the models when they don’t have emotions, aren’t conscious, and have no internal experience. The only way I can make it make sense is he thinks we’re stupid. And I don’t like that.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,571
Calling them "LLMs" when they can analyze images and video streams, have voice chats, convert files, fill and excel sheet, calculate, write programs, and a lot more doesn't really fit.
LLMs are just one (important) part of the whole AI.
Live&Lemon replied with this 2 weeks ago, 51 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,576
I find it confusing that you’re presenting older forms of machine learning as if they’re newer than LLMs. Convolutional neural networks were analyzing images and video before LLMs and speech to text models existed before LLMs. Those features are older than LLMs not newer than LLMs.
Live&Lemon double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,577
I also don’t understand the thing about writing programs. LLMs output tokens, they’re language models. Programming languages are languages. LLMs could always output code if they were trained on code, that’s not a fundamental leap in how they work underneath.
The difference is the interpreter is present too, and that's not an LLM.
The LLM passes code to the interpreter, and that can do many things the LLM can't.
There were a lot of people mocking these services for being bad at math after they already had interpreters built in too to handle that, and that's what I mean.
Pointing out that you are strawmanning isn't being adversarial.
If it annoys you stop making up fake things to respond to. No one is obligated to play along with your strawman just because it annoys you when it's pointed out.
Live&Lemon replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,582
@1,466,580 (K)
So, I think everyone is aware that you can connect LLMs to other things, but Anthropic and OpenAI are LLM companies. The innovation that they’re selling isn’t convolutional neural networks or interpreters or speech to text or text to speech, it’s LLMs.
Live&Lemon double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,583
If you look at the core of OpenAI’s or Athropic’s business model, the thing they’re selling is access to their LLMs. Anyone can easily do speech to text and text to speech that’s already built into every web browser for free and has been for years. They’re not selling convolutional neural networks, you can train one yourself on your own computer, they’re selling LLMs.
Live&Lemon replied with this 2 weeks ago, 42 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,585
@previous (K)
It’s not part of their main product, it’s what 100% of their business depends on. You can take out any other component and they still have a business, the LLM is the center of every product they have.
Live&Lemon replied with this 2 weeks ago, 59 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,588
@previous (K)
Correct, that’s what I’m saying. There’s only one thing that differentiates OpenAI and Anthropic from what you can do yourself on your own hardware.
Anonymous K replied with this 2 weeks ago, 49 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,592
@1,466,588 (Live&Lemon)
Realtime duplex calls don't rely on LLMs necessarily, and image generation isn't really "LLM" even though language tokens are involved.
Anonymous K double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,597
@1,466,595 (Live&Lemon)
What else could it mean besides chatting with the AI in real time?
Not pressing the TTS button and then pressing the "read this" option, but pressing a button once, setting the phone down, and having a call for 30 mins without another button press.
Live&Lemon triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 54 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,600
You can use a speech to text model to convert audio into text and you can use a text to speech model to convert text into audio. In the 2010s Siri could already do that. The only difference is now there’s an LLM mixed in so it gives better responses.
Live&Lemon quadruple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,601
The question of whether OpenAI And Anthropic survive is a question of whether or not the frontier AI models are economically viable, because if they aren’t, they have no moat and LLMs will become a commodity.
Live&Lemon quintuple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 9 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,604
And by the way, that is a question I cannot answer for several reasons:
1. There is not enough transparency about how much these companies are really spending the only source is the companies themselves and they have very little regulatory control and very little incentive to tell the truth if the truth isn’t overwhelmingly positive
2. These companies make up non-standard accounting metrics
3. The cost of a frontier AI model today is not the same as the cost of the next generation of frontier AI models and I can’t extrapolate that because I don’t even know how expensive the current generation is
Live&Lemon replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,608
The majority of OpenAI’s an Anthropic’s revenue isn’t coming from image generation. They’re LLM companies. You can deny it all you want, but it is what it is. They have one product.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 second later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,609
Bro is really trying to argue with lemonfag. Just ignore him, he just argues to argue. That's why he spams 300 word essays instead of keeping his arguments to the point. He's a shitposter.
> I don't really use AI but I did fuck around with Gemini for a few minutes one time so that I guess. I can't imagine paying for something so shitty. People who have AI subscriptions are cucks
Live&Lemon double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,611
If anything your opinion is closer to mine than the other guy, you think people who have AI subscriptions are cucks and anon K buys into all the Anthropic and OpenAI marketing about super intelligence.
> I don't really use AI but I did fuck around with Gemini for a few minutes one time so that I guess. I can't imagine paying for something so shitty. People who have AI subscriptions are cucks
Live&Lemon replied with this 2 weeks ago, 35 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,622
@1,466,620 (K)
Because he’s trying to troll by saying you shouldn’t argue with me even though he posted something that suggests his opinion is much closer to my opinion than your opinion.
Live&Lemon replied with this 2 weeks ago, 45 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,641
@previous (K)
So how come you have a problem with it when I say arguing is pointless but you don’t have a problem with this other guy? It seems like you’re willing to tolerate things from other people you don’t tolerate from me.
Live&Lemon double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 37 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,642
I know the answer to that question by the way. You told me a long time ago you’re a racist so I already know why you always disagree with me, it’s an ego thing for you.
Live&Lemon replied with this 2 weeks ago, 4 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,665
I don’t care what excuse you make, the reason why you don’t like me is because you hate freedom of thought. I think things that you don’t like and you don’t want to let me speak my mind about it. That’s what you said.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,466,710
@previous (K)
Fine. I give up. You are correct. Trump is actually Indian and actually Indian is going to take over the world because actually Indian is smarter than you.