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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^][v]#247,486
@247,480 (floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc)
Murder is by definition a forbidden killing.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^][v]#247,487
@247,485 (A)
You didn't specify what you meant, so I took the most general possible definition.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 40 minutes after the original post[^][v]#247,490
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU) > You didn't specify what you meant, so I took the most general possible definition.
I specified it by choosing the word allow instead of able. Please do not attempt to justify your error.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 41 minutes after the original post[^][v]#247,492
@previous (A)
"Allowed" by whom? I assumed "allowed by the laws of logic/nature", because those are the most general determinations of what is or is not allowed. Thanks for trying though.
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floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^][v]#247,496
@247,486 (A)
forbidden by whom? Murder is merely a concept, it's an invention of man. Men are merely animals and we are subject to the same "rules" of nature as all other animals, and the rules of nature is morally ambiguous. Of course, living in society means that we submit to the laws of men as well, but laws do nothing to stop me from exercising my natural born right to act as an animal.
The only thing that is stopping me is me. It's no wonder people flock to religion.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 34 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,511
@247,492 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU) > "Allowed" by whom? I assumed "allowed by the laws of logic/nature", because those are the most general determinations of what is or is not allowed. Thanks for trying though.
Physical reality does not "allow" things or forbid them, it enables. Cool autism though. Redefining words when you make mistkes, I should try that sometimes.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,512
@247,496 (floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc)
I can't tell if you're actually this dumb...
> Murder is merely a concept, it's an invention of man.
And as such has a meaning given by man, and is governed by man.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,513
@247,511 (A)
I learned how to do it from you. Also it really adds strength to your argument when you throw around armchair psychiatrist diagnoses. Stay classy.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,514
@247,486 (A) > Murder is by definition a forbidden killing.
Then why ask if it is allowed?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,516
@previous (E)
Somebody claimed in another thread that they believe humans are allowed to murder.
floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,517
@247,512 (A)
so? Who cares it's meaning. I am free to kill anyone I like. Because it's "forbidden" by man doesn't mean I somehow can no longer do it. Man's meaning has nothing to do with it, I am allowed by nature.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 9 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,518
> Also it really adds strength to your argument when you throw around armchair psychiatrist diagnoses. Stay classy.
I suppose I am an armchair biologist when I call my cat a cat?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,519
@247,517 (floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc)
Your're are clearly an idiot. Please stop replying.
> I am free to kill anyone I like.
Not the question being asked.
> Because it's "forbidden" by man doesn't mean I somehow can no longer do it.
Irrelevant. Forbidden vs. allowed is what's being asked, not able vs. unable
> Man's meaning has nothing to do with it, I am allowed by nature.
We are specifically talking about murder, which you recognize to be "a concept, [...] an invention of man." i.e. man's meaning has EVERYTHING to do with it.
floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,521
@previous (A)
still, I'm allowed to kill anyone I like. What's to stop me? laws?
no, I am allowed to by nature. I don't recognize the laws of man when it doesn't suit me.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,523
@previous (floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc) > still, I'm allowed to kill anyone I like. What's to stop me? laws?
Murder is being discussed. Please stay on topic. Allowed ≠able. Please stay on topic.
> no, I am allowed to by nature. I don't recognize the laws of man when it doesn't suit me.
Allowed ≠able Please stay on topic. Doing something you're allowed to do ≠doing something despite not being allowed to
floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,524
@previous (A)
allowed supposed one recognizes the restriction as valid.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,526
@previous (floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc)
The term "murder" supposes the restriction is valid.
floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#247,528
@previous (A)
so then the question the the OP is "Are humans allowed to do something they are not allowed to do?"
What kind of question is that? Why ask it if the question only has one acceptable answer?
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floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc double-posted this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#247,530
you could ask the less loaded question, "are humans allowed to kill?" yep.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 24 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#247,531
@247,528 (floorboard !hbZVTk6JYc)
Precisely. The question is tautological, yet at least one moron has voted yes.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 20 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#247,532