Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later[^][v]#1,460,386
No lol. The problem of evil is a basic moral problem in/critique of religion. You wondering if you are the only person who thinks about this is very funny.
Anyway, the usual move is to either try to shift the blame from God on to humans somehow, or just handwave it and say that "God works in mysterious ways" and not think about it further. Pick one of those and you have solved the problem.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,410
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I often remind people who are into a God creator. Perhaps if only one human pair started the human race - Incest as the only option, would produce some genetic fuckups.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,413
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The silly notion that this so called God, could create Trillions of stars all different - Yet make only one pair of Humans forcing Incest as the only option.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 22 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,415
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Not at all. Given the human race is about 300,000 years old - And the bible was created about 2500 years ago or so - One should not expect those stories to have any accuracy.
I see so it's the bible as a whole? Everything in it? Just old news. But what about beliefs it shares with other religions, like the golden rule? Surely you don't think this accuracy must also be examined there?
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 16 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,417
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Web says "Hinduism is widely considered the world's oldest surviving and continually practiced religion, with roots and traditions dating back more than 4,000 years in the Indus River Valley"
And: "Animistic and tribal belief systems are the earliest known forms of human spirituality, dating back tens of thousands of years before written history"
Looking up Hindus their concept of Karma is cool.
Hinduism does not have a single book of strict laws, but it universally forbids actions that cause harm (Ahimsa) or go against righteousness (Dharma), with eating beef being the only absolute dietary restriction shared across almost all traditions
Clearly my dinner of Grilled Tri Tip last night and leftovers tonight - I would make for not so much so good Hindu.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,419
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IF you want me to say the Golden Rule is good? Of course. I am sure their are many cool ideas of how man/women should behave are good basic ideas.
Concepts like Jesus' mother was a virgin, including Jesus having to bust out of his own moms Hymen - JUST ABSURB!
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,428
People who say the Bible was written by God are wrong, saying it was inspired by God is more defensible than that it was literally written by God. People who say that the Bible was completely fabricated by powerful people are also wrong, that’s ahistorical. When Jesus was around, Israel was under Roman occupation and the Jews were oppressed due to their monotheism being incompatible with the Roman state religion. Jesus was also executed by the Romans, so the idea it was created by powerful people and entirely made up is false.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,429
There are also some people who think that Jesus probably was a real person but the Bible might have been modified to seem more appealing to Pagans in order to convince people to convert to Christianity. To what extent that’s true or false I won’t attempt to guess. But for example, Jesus wasn’t born on Christmas, the holiday was moved to Christmas to compete with Pagan winter solstice celebrations.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,430
And Protestants ironically enough say that God protects the Bible and prevents it from being edited, even though Protestants removed some parts of the Bible from the original Catholic version of the Bible.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,434
The Catholic interpretation of Christianity is that originally Jesus founded one church and that the bishop of Rome inheriting the title of pope from St. Peter had primacy over that original church. The Orthodox Churches and the Catholic Church are considered to be two halves of one whole founded by Jesus that are in schism with each other, although the Catholic Church believes that since the pope has primacy over the entire church that the Catholic Church is the original Christian church founded by Jesus. Martin Luther made a list of complaints about the Catholic Church and then various Protestant churches broke off from the Catholic Church, but their view is generally that the Bible is the source of Christianity rather than a continuous line of succession of bishops from Jesus Christ and they value individual interpretation of the Bible. But fundamentally Catholicism and Protestantism are opposed to each other. The belief that there is only one universal Christian church with one leader is not compatible with the idea that there can be dozens of different churches with their own interpretations of the Bible.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,435
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I don’t dislike Protestants or think that Protestants shouldn’t be Protestant, but I don’t agree with Protestantism and I prefer Catholicism.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,437
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There are also theological differences between Catholicism and Orthodoxy, for instance, Orthodoxy venerates saints but only the Catholic Church still announces new saints. Then the Orthodox churches also reject the immaculate conception which is the idea that Mary was conceived without sin.
But if there never had been protestants, my understanding is that you'd be reading a condemned English translation, while the clergy wanted it to remain in Latin so that they could be the only source of what the will of God supposedly is
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,442
I think more my thing is that, I’m Catholic, I’ve always been Catholic and I like being Catholic, but especially in the United States since this country is mostly Catholic, Protestants feel like they’re entitled to just disrespect Catholicism, sometimes in crude ways, and I don’t really feel interested in Protestantism partially because of that, but also because from a historical perspective I agree with the Catholic Church’s view on the origin and continuity of Christianity. That doesn’t mean I want to convert anybody, I’ve had friends who weren’t even Christian in the first place. I just prefer my own religion.
Well I know very little about how it is over the sea, but for example in parts of Europe, rich parents sent their kids to catholic school without necessarily being Catholic, it was considered "the more refined choice" so my point is, don't let the rude ones color the entire book?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,445
Also more recently, there’s this weird hateful right wing thing against the pope. I’ve seen online Trump supporters lashing out at the pope because he said something about having empathy for migrants, which to me feels blasphemous. Jesus taught a message of forgiveness and compassion and I believe in evolution, but I think Genesis has meaning even if that meaning isn’t literal and in the Bible it doesn’t say that God created different races, it just says he created humanity in his image.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,446
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Tbh I did go to a Catholic school at one point, not everybody there was Catholic. In my experience it’s probably better than public school in the United States, but that’s a low bar so idk.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,447
Like yeah it’s better than a public school but I’d bet most denominations of Christianity that have schools probably have schools that are better than public schools in the US, that’s not hard to imagine.
The problem with public schools is that it's a ideological fighting ground, everybody wants in to do some indoctrination and the actual learning and preparing gets forgotten
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,449
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My initial reaction was that I disagreed with that but then I thought about it for a second, you’re probably right when it comes to certain subjects like science and history. I think my main complaint is that math education in the US kinda sucks. That’s less ideological and more about incompetence though. I felt like that was kind of frustrating because they have the no child left behind idea, so if you’re good at math, you have to sit there and do easy things with everybody else and they’d have a problem with it if you didn’t show all your work, even if you got the right answer, when really it’s just the problem is so easy you don’t need to show all your work. That was annoying.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,450
For instance, I remember when I was in middle school and in order to find the vertex of a parabola, they had us do this whole thing where you find the zeros and then average them using the quadratic formula. Then I got to high school and took calculus and realized you can just find the vertex by taking the derivative of a parabola and then x value of the vertex is the derivative at y=0. And it’s such a simple process I just wondered why they couldn’t have just taught me that in middle school.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,452
Like if you have x^2+5x+4, the derivative is 2x+5, so the x value of the vertex is 0=2x+5, so the x value of the vertex is -2.5, which is the easiest thing ever. But they couldn’t just tell us that, I don’t see why you couldn’t just tell a 10 or an 11 year old you can just do that.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,454
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I guess my feeling is more that I think we should push kids harder in math than what we do. When you’re a child your brain is more plastic so if you’re forced to learn more logical ways of thinking while your brain is still developing, I think people would end up being smarter adults. I don’t think the value of learning math is really the utility of it. Obviously calculators exist and we have LLMs and all of that, but it forces people to learn how to think.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,455
Tbh I think LLMs are useful, but I feel like automating mental tasks has the potential of making us dumber. It’s important to challenge ourselves, I think I’ve seen apparently there are some statistics that say if you don’t do any cognitively challenging tasks it’s associated with an increased risk of dementia when people get older. Old people who just sort of sit around and watch TV or whatever are more likely to get dementia than if they’re practicing some sort of skill.
I disagree here though. If anything, they should be better at promoting the people who destroy math, into higher math learning, basically just promote skill.
But even then, you get smart people who are terrible at math, not that I'm defending myself 🤣
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,458
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I don’t think everybody has to be good at the same thing. I just remember in middle school the way it worked was they gave us IQ tests and then kids who did well on an IQ test were put in a gifted program. Which looking back on it was kind of dumb, it would have made more sense if they had an advanced math class or something tangible. Like if you’re good at x subject you get out into y class instead of if you scored high on a vague test on a vague idea of what being "smart" is you get into some program.
Well all I know is that health is important to IQ, it doesn't raise it but bad health definitely lowers it. You'd think schools all over the world would provide nutrition, with that easily observable fact, but they don't
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,466
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I always ate a packed lunch but I do remember as a kid that there was a free lunch program for poorer families, I don’t know if that’s still a thing or not.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,468
Either way, the US could probably do more for children in general. I mean, it doesn’t really make sense at face value that the birth rates are low in developed countries but high in underdeveloped countries given everybody in developed countries is saying, "When would you want to bring life into this God forsaken world? Everything is too expensive!" When they live in the world’s richest countries. It’s not really a subject I think about that often, but I don’t think it’s women’s fault for being ambitious or men’s fault for whatever. It’s some economic flaw I think.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,469
It happened in Asia first but now Europe and the US are below replacement birth rate. We can’t have a world where everybody just has one child. That’s not sustainable. We don’t need exponential population growth either, but it should be balanced to at least be kinda sorta stable.
There's also a certain percentage of the rich, who would want the children of their employees to be under threat, to have the meals be something they can take away. People never talk about it, but those people exist and I truly hope to God we can one day cull them all.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,460,474
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Yeah, some people just can never have enough. It’s kinda sad actually. I feel like if I had a billion dollars for example, there’s nothing I could buy with a hundred billion dollars I couldn’t buy with a billion dollars that’s not like a massive skyscraper or a space station or something dumb like that. I think if I became wealthy enough after a certain point I’d just quit and enjoy the rest of my life doing whatever.
Food in Asia appears way more wholesome, while increasingly the food anywhere else has gone through 50 different process cycles. I think that's the mm ain difference, there's actual cooking instead of proccesing