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Topic: Do you ever think about how the CCP is atheist

Anonymous A started this discussion 3 weeks ago #137,951

And they have a list of real religions and fake religions?

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 56 seconds later[^] [v] #1,459,914

The concept is strange. There is no God, but some religions are real and should be tolerated but others are fake and must be banned. That’s a wacky idea.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 27 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,932

The US has a secular government and has a list of real religions and fake religions too.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 10 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,939

@previous (B)
Secular and atheist don’t mean the same thing.

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,940

Marxism Leninism generally advocated for state atheism. A secular government is pluralistic, it allows for individuals to practice a number of faiths or no faith at all, but the government doesn’t make an assertion that God does or does not exist. State atheism is when the government denounces religion outright and requires people to be atheist to serve in government for ideological reasons.

Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,942

Of course, China describes themselves as "Socialist with Chinese characteristics" which is a modification on Maoism which is a modification on Leninism, which is a modification on Marxism, so really China is kinda doing something that’s tangentially related to whatever the heck Marx was thinking and using the aesthetic of hammers and sickles because they think it looks cool, basically.

Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,943

I’m pretty sure what Karl Marx wanted is a nation state with a billion non-union workers. I’m pretty sure that’s what that book was about.

"Unions are bad."

- Chinese Karl Marx

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 6 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,974

China is clever because it embraced facets of capitalism while letting business owners know they’re just asset managers. Like when Jack Ma disappeared.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 6 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,996

Religion is just another tool. The Soviets were upset about a Siberian people that have communal relations and share partners as a matter of custom and social cohesion. So the Soviets rushed in missionaries to try to convert them and break the practice. The Soviets also realized it was easier to co-opt and control the various Orthodox clergy and patriarchs than it was to level every church.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 5 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,460,027

@1,459,974 (C)
Capitalism and democracy are completely unrelated concepts. If anything capitalism and authoritarianism complement each other. When Russia stopped adhering to Marxism, they didn’t become any more democratic.

Anonymous E double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,460,028

The Russian constitution is almost democratic in theory, because earlier in Putin’s presidency they thought they had to pretend to be a democracy, so they had weird rules, like early on in Putin’s presidency, Russia had term limits, but only for consecutive terms, so Putin got a break every so often. But now they don’t even pretend, he’s just president for life outright.
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