Anonymous A started this discussion 2 weeks ago#137,920
I wonder what goes through their minds. They see far right ideas spreading like wildfire amongst the youth in first world nations and they think it's possible to talk it all away. You had decades to talk and we've seen it goes nowhere. The time for talk is over and only blood will fix this.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 8 minutes later[^][v]#1,459,613
Far right ideas aren’t spreading amongst the youth, it’s like fat 60 year old white dudes. I actually watched the RNC in 2024. Zoom in on this picture. You see a lot of white don’t you? And I’m not talking about skin color.
> I wonder what goes through their minds. They see far right ideas spreading like wildfire amongst the youth in first world nations and they think it's possible to talk it all away. You had decades to talk and we've seen it goes nowhere. The time for talk is over and only blood will fix this.
I don’t recall a moment in time where talking was an option. Seems like people by default have always made a point to “pick a side and fight the other guy.”
Because to act pragmatically we’d have to recognize our implicit and explicit biases and curb them to the side and say “hey maybe we shouldn’t do this guys. This is not good our country, let alone community.”
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 6 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,459,763
@previous (E)
It's a great time to look out for #1. Boomers already pulled up their ladders, let them figure out they can't push each others' wheelchairs around and they actually need kids and immigrants. We're expensive - demand a fair wage.
> I wonder what goes through their minds. They see far right ideas spreading like wildfire amongst the youth in first world nations and they think it's possible to talk it all away. You had decades to talk and we've seen it goes nowhere. The time for talk is over and only blood will fix this.
Whose? The right wingers are grifters and opportunists. They’re tied to oligarchs. This isn’t the 1920s-1930s when fascists actually had 20-point programs and proposed UBI.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,818
@previous (H)
I’m a college student, every single day the streets are literally flooded with tens of thousands of people my age, I think you’re delusional.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,819
And they’re from all sorts of different backgrounds, there are white students, black students, Indian students, Chinese students, I’ve only heard people say nothing or say something negative but never once anything positive about Trump. I really don’t think he’s popular with people my age.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 22 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,821
I do remember that down south I met young people who were right leaning, but they were always white. I didn’t meet any right leaning young black people in the south. It seems like it’s more popular with lower class disenfranchised older white men.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,822
@1,459,820 (H)
Don’t most people go to college though? It’s hard to get a high paying job even with a college degree these days. I realized that companies don’t think education is enough, they also want you to be doing a bunch of extracurricular activities and then they’re more positive.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,823
I mean, if you look at Trump’s platform, I don’t see anything that appeals to people my age. He made everything more expensive and his only complaint about college is that it’s not selective enough, when admit rates have been consistently going down because a college degree is just considered mandatory now. He doesn’t seem like he cares about the country or about the average American being successful.
No, unless you are counting people who took a one-off class at a local/online college.
Less than half get a bachelor's, and that's a lot of online degrees, for-profit schools mixed in, and some people who get their Bachelor's late in life.
> It’s hard to get a high paying job even with a college degree these days. I realized that companies don’t think education is enough, they also want you to be doing a bunch of extracurricular activities and then they’re more positive.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,825
@previous (H)
I’m in technology so that’s part of it.
Either way, I like hanging out with different kinds of people, sort of. I mean they’re from different backgrounds but they all have the same personality type. I just feel like if you’re not a rich white guy, I don’t see a reason to support Trump. He obviously doesn’t care about me.
No, because engineering is the #1 major for per capita Republicans.
> Either way, I like hanging out with different kinds of people, sort of. I mean they’re from different backgrounds but they all have the same personality type. I just feel like if you’re not a rich white guy, I don’t see a reason to support Trump. He obviously doesn’t care about me.
You are in a very unique group, that is not at all representative of the wider population. Not that I'm claiming the population at large is Republican, democrats are more common overall.
Being able to afford college and thinking it's a good idea are filters on who you see
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 13 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,827
I mean, since before the election every time I go on the internet, I don’t even search for it but every time some racist video pops up about Indians or black people or Muslims it’s always some pro MAGA content creator saying that black culture sucks or that Indians are dirty. I’m kinda sick of it. It’s so unintelligent and one-sided because they constantly complain that being white makes them victims but if an Uncle Tom says something negative about black culture they all get excited like vultures that just found a carcass, they start swirling around.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,828
@1,459,826 (H)
Computer science, not engineering. Unless you want to classify computer science as engineering. Nobody can agree if it’s engineering, mathematics, science, or liberal arts, and you’ll find that different universities put the major in different colleges.
Whites don't get self-determination, the federal government has systematically and explicitly set up rules to abolish white neighborhoods and corporations.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 9 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,832
@1,459,830 (H)
I’m so tired of white people pretending they oppressed themselves in a country where they run everything. It just sounds stupid at face value. The US is the most powerful country in the world, it’s majority white, we used to have segregation and before that, slavery. You’re not oppressed by being white.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,834
If white people really are oppressed I don’t see why I should feel bad about it because there’s nobody to oppress you except yourselves. That’s a problem between you and yourself. It’s just not my problem even if it were a real problem, which it isn’t.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,835
@1,459,832 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
There's plenty of public data on how institutions discriminate against whites, you're again disagreeing with the data.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,837
@1,459,833 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I mean that whatever their race CS grads are one of the most Republican majors, and they are grouped in with the other engineering schools into the same college.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 36 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,838
You know what groups of people I’ve never had this issue with? Arabs, Iranians, Indians, Chinese people, Vietnamese people, Russians… it’s only one type of person that has issues with me over stuff like this.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,839
@1,459,836 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
When you say incorrect things and get called out on it, you go into strawmanning or acting like the whole thing was just a troll.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,841
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Anyone can read the topics, see you change the subject and turn everything into some troll and verify the facts themselves.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 33 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,843
You always say that like there’s some hypothetical person who is reading this and agrees with you, but that person doesn’t actually exist, it’s just your imaginary friend.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,844
You know what? I’m just going to ask you one question. You’ve said before that you think that blacks are biologically inferior to whites and that we have lower IQs, yet you also claim that American society is rigged against white people. If we’re all stupid, how come in the richest most powerful county where the president of the United States is a white man, we found a way to victimize you and there’s nothing you can do about it? How do you explain that?
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 4 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,848
@1,459,843 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
They don't need to agree with me, if I debunk 100 of your lies there will be some who check and see that your full of shit and maybe that's one less person repeating misinfo.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 36 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,850
@1,459,844 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
The same way it's possible for a black man to get a mosquito bite.
@1,459,847 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
No, I never said people agree with me, I just pointed out that someone can see me debunking you and verify for themselves.
I never said my ideas were popular even, just that I can debunk some of the things you say.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 30 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,851
"Uhm, actually, I use facts and logic and I had a debate class in high school so actually you’re incorrect about 10 million things and I’m right about everything because only I can use logic because I’m a white man. I’ve never had an IQ test but I’m white so I must be smart!"
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 46 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,853
@1,459,849 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc) > > They don't need to agree with me, if I debunk 100 of your lies there will be some who check and see that your full of shit and maybe that's one less person repeating misinfo. > No wonder you hate women.
Think about what you just said here. I stated I didn't want people repeating misinformation, and you say this means I hate women?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,857
Look: my theory is simple, if you were actually superior, you would win, and if you were winning, you wouldn’t be crying. But all I see is a white man crying his eyes out.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,859
@1,459,854 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
F tier trolling.
This is how college kids do act these days, when you catch them being uneducated they have to deflect and take it personally and make everything sarcastic.
The blue collar guys usually don't give a shit and will just admit when they are wrong, but then those guys didn't spend 6 figures for a paper that was supposed to convey their intelligence. It's embarrassing to be credentialed, or on your way there, and still misunderstand basic concepts and lose every debate you get into. So the cope is making the debates bad for everyone.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,866
I feel like you don’t even understand the concept of winning. Winning isn’t what happens when somebody else loses. People only resort to that when they lose faith that they can meaningfully achieve any gains in their social standing, so they start attacking others to make themselves feel higher in comparison, when really all they’re doing is reducing the net wellbeing of the collective.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 54 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,867
@1,459,865 (H)
So it’s easy to get into college and you find competing with others to prove your intelligence embarrassing? How can both those two things be true at the same time?
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 8 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,868
@1,459,864 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Some companies blatantly ignored it and are paying millions, others just didn't react and kept their old policies until the administration put the pressure on.
People don't operate on 6 year timescales, and Biden was able to reverse his policies for 4 years too.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 46 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,869
@previous (H)
Yeah… I’ve been applying for tech jobs, and a lot of companies still have DEI pages up. It’s almost like they completely don’t care or something.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,871
There are two parties and there are about an equal number of republicans and democrats, that means you can approximate the odds of a republican or a democratic presidency at 0.5. The odds of something happening at least once are P(a at least once given n trials) = 1-(1-a)^n. That means that in the next 16 years, the probability of at least one democratic president is 93.75%.
> you find competing with others to prove your intelligence embarrassing?
No, my position was always that it should only be a competition of intelligence.
Other things shouldn't be a factor, barring obvious things like disability stopping someone from doing a job, or a racially prefered actor for realism (they can tell me race is why they turned me down for the MLK role, that's ethical).
You said they should consider race to make it fair for other discrimination. That was always the disagreement, I said race shouldn't be used as a factor.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,875
And it should be intuitive, flip a coin 4 times and see if it lands on heads 4 times on the first try. There’s going to be another democratic president, it would be dumb to bet otherwise.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,878
I can’t break your self conviction and won’t try, even if you’ve tried to do it to me, because that would be evil. But it is truly tragic that you think something is that isn’t.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 28 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,879
@1,459,875 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I bet they will come back from this, but it will be with concessions to the right.
Heads and Tails aren't changing, so this isn't the best metephor. Sometimes political developments are so complete that both parties take it forgl granted that everyone expects it.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 31 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,882
@1,459,878 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I'm open to changing my mind, but making a claim, expecting me to believe despite the data, and then making personal attacks isn't a convincing argument.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,886
Really I think that I’m smarter than you, and I’ll tell you why. You have no control over politics whatsoever. Your vote means almost nothing. You’re attaching your happiness to something outside of your control, that I showed is very likely to change against your favor within the near future. That’s not smart.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,892
@1,459,888 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Coin flips are a fair 50/50, elections aren't so simple.
If one party loses it's mind and starts alienating the public you get "populism" democracy that will empower it more and more because of public will. That's what Trump is. Not many people wanted what the Republicans offered, but now that the Democrats are more and more unelectable it creates a mandate for the opposition.
The fascism will increase until the Democrats come back to reality and try to create a reasonable alternative to the Republicans.
And that will mean dropping the woke sex cult nonsense.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 42 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,893
You always say that criticism of you is a personal attack and that personal attacks are always done when the person making them doesn’t have an argument. Is that actually true? Is it actually the case that any criticism of you must be false because there’s something unique about criticisms of you that’s different from criticisms of everything else in the universe that makes them all automatically invalid, or do you just tell yourself that criticisms of yourself are invalid because you want to believe that for emotional reasons?
Anonymous H replied with this 2 weeks ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,459,898
@1,459,893 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc) > Is it actually the case that any criticism of you must be false because there’s something unique about criticisms of you
Strawman obviously, just wasn't said.
@1,459,894 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
My assertion was really just me repeating the finding of a large study done by a lot of people across the country.