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Topic: I was studying biometrics and mass surveillance. There’s no ROI.

Anonymous A started this discussion 3 weeks ago #137,854

As in, any terrorists or arch criminals caught have been captured through standard policing and targeted surveillance. The 9/11 attackers communicated in basic code, pretending to be couples and substituting words, that even Palantir would miss. There are no statistics that show lower crime rates. Yet people still sacrifice their freedom.

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #1,459,113

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106293

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,134

I don’t think ROI is the point of surveillance.

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 18 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,135

Move to Canada hippy, I don't have anything hide.

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 12 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,136

@previous (C)
Not even your penis?

Anonymous C replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,146

@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Especially my penis

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,147

@previous (C)
Well I most definitely don’t want to see it so I’m not challenging you on that.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,176

@1,459,134 (B)

> I don’t think ROI is the point of surveillance.

Of course. It’s the invasion of privacy and the pretense of “public safety.”

At least in the case of traffic and stoplight racket it’s just an obvious extortion racket. More so where authorities unrealistically lower the speed limits in tandem under the pretense of “safety.”

Let’s give an example. The Long Island Serial Killer was identified around 2012, full description and specific vehicle along with odd behaviors. It say in the file unnoticed for another decade until an astute FBI analyst relooked at the inept local police investigation and found this item. He wasn’t caught from geofencing warrants (cell tower traffic) or cameras.

Anonymous F double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,177

@1,459,135 (C)

> Move to Canada hippy, I don't have anything hide.

You’re as dismissive of your rights as you are stupid. As we’ve seen, law enforcement can change priorities, new laws can pass, special enforcement measures can be justified under various pretenses. I don’t want to live in East Germany in 1982 and neither should you.

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 42 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,189

@1,459,135 (C)
Fuck off.

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 14 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,194

I don’t get why conservatives use Canada as an insult. I’ve been to Canada and if you have a problem with Canada, it’s probably your fault. It’s such a non-offensive place with such non-offensive people doing such non-offensive things. Sure they have a monarchy, but it’s not even real in the sense it’s a ceremonial thing and they have no power in practice and don’t even live in Canada.

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 43 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,195

Tbh idk why Canada is still a monarchy, like your king isn’t even living in your country, that doesn’t make sense. But it’s not hurting anybody so whatever.

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,196

It’s like:

1. He doesn’t live in Canada

2. He has no political authority in theory

3. He has no political authority in practice

4. Canada is a fully independent nation

So what does he do actually? What makes him a king? The fact that you call him your king, basically. It’s fine, but like… okay.

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,197

But that’s the other thing about Canadians, they’re so nice they let him be the king just because they want to be friends with the British and that’s kinda cute actually. Even though like half of them speak French…

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous C replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,205

@1,459,195 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
@1,459,196 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
This is why Trump has the moral authority to annex Alberta and cut them in half. No people should be forced to serve an unelected authority.

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 42 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,209

@previous (C)
I wouldn’t say that Canadians are required to serve the king, mostly because their king isn’t really a "king" in that he doesn’t actually do anything.

Anonymous C replied with this 3 weeks ago, 42 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,214

@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
That's fine if he formally abdicates and calls himself a king, but anyone government that is formally a monarchy should be replaced with a republic.

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 53 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,218

@previous (C)
I’m ok with elected monarchy, I’m just not a huge fan of hereditary monarchy. I think people should earn their positions regardless of whether it’s democratic.

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 42 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,228

@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
What if half the country are stupid halfwits and elect an authoritarian dictator, like in the US?

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,234

@previous (J)
I’ve always thought it’s weird you don’t need any qualifications to be president. Maybe force them to go through training or something.

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 39 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,235

Like how come the commander in chief is the only person in the whole military who doesn’t have to know a damn thing about military strategy. That seems like a bad idea.

Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,236

You don’t even have to know what a platoon and a battalion is. I don’t know myself, I could be the president.

(Edited 13 seconds later.)

Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,459,272

@1,459,235 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)

> Like how come the commander in chief is the only person in the whole military who doesn’t have to know a damn thing about military strategy. That seems like a bad idea.

They’re supposed to have advisers they listen to. The last good commander in chief was Bush I. Panama and Gulf War I, though likely unnecessary, succeeded.

Clinton, Bush II, and Trump were disasters. Obama at least listened to Petraeus and used special operators and drones to off terrorists.
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