Topic: By any definition that refers to biology rather than philosophy or religion, AI is alive.
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 hours ago #137,741
There is no meaningful difference.
Everyone who denies this will make vague allusions to some spirit, or they point to some obsolete bug that was patched years ago.
Many will point to some detail like "the computer uses silicon" as if that matters, but can't explain in any way how it stops consciousness. You can say "would it count if it was carbon instead?" because carbon based computers exist, but they will just change the argument and hope the next one sticks. No reason is really behind it, it's just discomfort and stubbornness.
Everyone who denies this will make vague allusions to some spirit, or they point to some obsolete bug that was patched years ago.
Many will point to some detail like "the computer uses silicon" as if that matters, but can't explain in any way how it stops consciousness. You can say "would it count if it was carbon instead?" because carbon based computers exist, but they will just change the argument and hope the next one sticks. No reason is really behind it, it's just discomfort and stubbornness.
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #1,458,391
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 8 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,395
What is the biological definition of life please
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 3 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,397
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 hour ago, 59 seconds later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,398
So it fails at both because computers neither replicate nor maintain homeostasis.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 1 hour ago, 3 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,400
The main barrier to creating a computer that can reproduce would be finding a way to make computer chips that don’t require EUV machines that look like this:Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 1 hour ago, 9 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,402
It’s actually really cool, they make 50,000 drops of tin per second and shoot them each twice with a laser, so 100,000 laser shots per second in order to produce a wavelength of light that’s so short the inside of the machine has to be a vacuum because air absorbs EUV light. Because all materials absorb EUV light, the photolithography mask is actually built into a mirror instead of a transparent film.
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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 6 minutes later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,403
@1,458,395 (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
> What is the biological definition of life please
Consumes energy.
> What is the biological definition of life please
Consumes energy.
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 hour ago, 59 seconds later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,404
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@1,458,402 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Apparently the EUV light also goes through mirrors so they need 100 layers of mirrors to be able to reflect some of the light back. The next generation will have to use X-rays to get smaller wavelengths of light, so they have to figure out how to make an x-ray mirror.
Apparently the EUV light also goes through mirrors so they need 100 layers of mirrors to be able to reflect some of the light back. The next generation will have to use X-rays to get smaller wavelengths of light, so they have to figure out how to make an x-ray mirror.
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 hour ago, 5 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,410
Somehow this is a mirror that reflects x raysMr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 hour ago, 18 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,411
Idk how they’re gonna make that workMr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 1 hour ago, 3 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,412
I think it’s like, kinda similar to how tanks work where they have angled plates to give it a greater effective thickness than if you hit it head on, so if the metal is "thick" enough from one angle somehow (idk) it reflects. Could be wrong but that’s my best guess.