Topic: Let's talk ship.
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 weeks ago #137,730
The houthis control more than the BabMandeb. They can decide who goes through the suez.
I filled up some jerries just in case, I'd rather have it and not need it.
Got solar, canned food, and nearby river for freshwater. Some silver coin, mostly for discount box rental.
What are you all doing?
I filled up some jerries just in case, I'd rather have it and not need it.
Got solar, canned food, and nearby river for freshwater. Some silver coin, mostly for discount box rental.
What are you all doing?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 23 minutes later[^] [v] #1,458,301
Stocking up really just feels like putting a target on your back. If shit really hits the fan, people will absolutely start looting and breaking into your home. You'd be better off training to be effective at defending your home with firearms and martial arts if necessary maybe get a guard dog too. Let's be realistic here though, the US and Europe will generally be fine because they're rich. Places like africa and south east asia are absolutely fucked though and many people there will probably die. So the big question is will the US and Europe do their best to keep those people out when they inevitably try to come here so they don't die or will they let those people in
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,322
@previous (B)
No it’s the other way around. Rich countries will be hurt more because industrial economies are more dependent on oil. Africa doesn’t use that much oil.
No it’s the other way around. Rich countries will be hurt more because industrial economies are more dependent on oil. Africa doesn’t use that much oil.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 37 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,323
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,324
It matters on a country by country basis. For example, Nigeria would probably benefit from there being less oil on the market since their GDP is heavily tied to the price of oil. So if there’s less supply and the price of oil increases, generally their economy grows faster. You are right that it will be bad for East Asian countries, but it’s the opposite of what you think. It will be bad for Japan because Japan is an industrialized nation and they had an empire because they don’t have any oil, so to produce value in the global economy they need oil from other countries and they have to produce products that they can sell to buy oil. Countries in Africa are very resource rich which is part of (not the entire reason) why they’re less developed.
So basically if oil prices are low, that’s good for Japan and bad for Nigeria, but if oil prices are high it’s the opposite.
So basically if oil prices are low, that’s good for Japan and bad for Nigeria, but if oil prices are high it’s the opposite.
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Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,328
@1,458,322 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Newsflash buddy but those maritime chokepoints have more than oil going through them. Longer shipping routes mean increased prices for everything including stuff like fertilizer. The rich countries can pay even when prices go up while poor countries will just starve
Newsflash buddy but those maritime chokepoints have more than oil going through them. Longer shipping routes mean increased prices for everything including stuff like fertilizer. The rich countries can pay even when prices go up while poor countries will just starve
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,329
@previous (B)
Part of the reason why South Africa is more developed than other parts of Africa though is because before the Suez Canal war built, ships had to travel all the way around Africa to get from Europe to Asia. So that ironically could be good for Africa.
Part of the reason why South Africa is more developed than other parts of Africa though is because before the Suez Canal war built, ships had to travel all the way around Africa to get from Europe to Asia. So that ironically could be good for Africa.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,330
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Starvation is good for Africa. You heard it here first folks
Starvation is good for Africa. You heard it here first folks
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 51 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,331
You are correct that the war is bad for global shipping. But the oil being shipped out from the Strait of Hormuz that can’t leave the Middle East was driving down the global price of oil, which made African oil exports less profitable. So that reduction in competition probably advantages African oil exporters. And then the Suez Canal was created to shorten the travel distance between Europe and Asia by not going all the way around Africa, so if that shuts down, and ships need to travel around Africa again, that’s bad for global shipping but might not inherently disadvantage Africa in particular.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,333
@1,458,330 (B)
That’s not what I said. I said a war in the Middle East that shuts down trade routes that were created specifically for the purpose of skipping circumnavigating the African continent probably doesn’t decrease shipping in Africa, it might actually do the opposite.
That’s not what I said. I said a war in the Middle East that shuts down trade routes that were created specifically for the purpose of skipping circumnavigating the African continent probably doesn’t decrease shipping in Africa, it might actually do the opposite.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,334
Hey ding dong Africa is a net importer of food. Any disruptions in shipping mean less food. Unfortunately people can live without oil but food not so much
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,335
@previous (B)
How do disruptions in shipping between Europe and Asia lead to less food in Africa when that route was created for the purpose of not sending ships around Africa?
How do disruptions in shipping between Europe and Asia lead to less food in Africa when that route was created for the purpose of not sending ships around Africa?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,336
I’m not sure if you’re getting the point I’m trying to make so I drew this on a map:Ships used to take the red route, but because of the Suez Canal they take the blue route. If the Red Sea is shut down, ships won’t stop going between Asia and Europe, they’ll simply be forced to travel around Africa again.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 21 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,337
@1,458,335 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Africa imports food from many countries. You don't see how a country in east africa might want to use those shipping routes? I feel like I'm explaining math to a toddler
Africa imports food from many countries. You don't see how a country in east africa might want to use those shipping routes? I feel like I'm explaining math to a toddler
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 11 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,338
FYI I did it on a touch screen so excuse the sloppy lines
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 33 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,339
@1,458,337 (B)
Why do you think that stopping trade through a trade route that skips over Africa disadvantages Africa? That doesn’t make sense.
Why do you think that stopping trade through a trade route that skips over Africa disadvantages Africa? That doesn’t make sense.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,340
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Look at your own picture you dingus. Let's say France wants to ship food to the horn of Africa. Which way is faster? Going all the way around or going through the choke points?
Look at your own picture you dingus. Let's say France wants to ship food to the horn of Africa. Which way is faster? Going all the way around or going through the choke points?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,341
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,343
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Well I imagine West Africa will fare better but starving people don't stay where they are. They'll be headed to West Africa asap which could cause food riots there. It's not going to be pretty I don't know what to tell you.
Well I imagine West Africa will fare better but starving people don't stay where they are. They'll be headed to West Africa asap which could cause food riots there. It's not going to be pretty I don't know what to tell you.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 51 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,344
For instance if you’re in Lagos or Cape Town, how is this bad for you exactly?
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,345
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Why do you keep asking this? It isn't just the routes getting longer it's the prices rising. If I ship materials and suddenly a route is cut off I have to take a longer route which means I get paid less. That's not going to fly so I'd pass the cost onto you. Everything gets more expensive so who am I selling to? The people that can still afford to buy and that's not most countries in Africa
Why do you keep asking this? It isn't just the routes getting longer it's the prices rising. If I ship materials and suddenly a route is cut off I have to take a longer route which means I get paid less. That's not going to fly so I'd pass the cost onto you. Everything gets more expensive so who am I selling to? The people that can still afford to buy and that's not most countries in Africa
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,346
@previous (B)
Yeah, the routes between Europe and Asia get longer because then ships need to go to Africa. How does that disadvantage Africa? It’s bad for you and me but I don’t see how this is bad for them. If anything if South Africa could shut down the Suez Canal and get away with it, they’d probably be happy to have more ships.
Yeah, the routes between Europe and Asia get longer because then ships need to go to Africa. How does that disadvantage Africa? It’s bad for you and me but I don’t see how this is bad for them. If anything if South Africa could shut down the Suez Canal and get away with it, they’d probably be happy to have more ships.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,347
And it’s not like East Africa really needs Europe. People have been sailing between East Africa and Asia for thousands of years.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 13 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,348
@1,458,346 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I literally just explained how it's bad for Africa. You're just choosing to ignore rising prices.
I literally just explained how it's bad for Africa. You're just choosing to ignore rising prices.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,349
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 42 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,350
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Lmao what? How is an African paying more for food primarily an inconvenience for Europe?
Lmao what? How is an African paying more for food primarily an inconvenience for Europe?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 32 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,351
I also didn’t ignore rising prices I explained how higher oil prices don’t necessarily disadvantage all African countries (it’s on a case by case basis though).
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,352
Okay now we're just going in circles. I hope for your sake things get better because when the headlines saying "FAMINE IN AFRICA" start popping up, you'll know I was right
> the war with Iran has heavily disrupted Middle East shipping lanes like the Strait of Hormuz and the Red Sea, driving up global freight rates and adding massive daily expenses to the shipping industry.
> the war with Iran has heavily disrupted Middle East shipping lanes like the Strait of Hormuz and the Red Sea, driving up global freight rates and adding massive daily expenses to the shipping industry.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 27 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,353
@1,458,350 (B)
How many times do I have to explain to you that Europe being forced to send ships around Africa is bad for Europe and good for Africa?
How many times do I have to explain to you that Europe being forced to send ships around Africa is bad for Europe and good for Africa?
Anonymous B replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,354
You just do this to troll don't you lol anyway final (you)
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 weeks ago, 11 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,355
@1,458,352 (B)
Africa is the second largest continent, some countries will be hurt by this, some will benefit, but overall, it will be more beneficial than bad.
Africa is the second largest continent, some countries will be hurt by this, some will benefit, but overall, it will be more beneficial than bad.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,356
If Africa is behind in terms of industrial capacity, a major shock to the global economy that reduces the productivity of developed nations would hurt Africa in the short term, but the reduction in competition is probably worth it in the long term. Just look at World War Two, World War Two was probably the best thing to happen to Africa in the last 200 years.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,357
World War Two bankrupted the European empires, which gave Africans an opportunity to become independent while Europe was weakened. However, becoming independent is not the same thing as becoming a powerful industrial nation. China was able to do it because they have a huge population and a highly centralized government. Africa has a huge population, but it’s very diverse, divided up into many countries. I don’t believe that this is the beginning of another world war, but a third world war could level the playing field for Africa.
LibAi_fr joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 21 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,551
Diesel prices going up
Mr. Bloody Lemonade joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 40 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,458,553
@1,458,330 (B)
starvation of africans would certainly be beneficial to me, less competition for whitecummies means more whitecummies for me!
starvation of africans would certainly be beneficial to me, less competition for whitecummies means more whitecummies for me!