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Topic: Haiti is pretty much at a point of no return.
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 hours ago#137,184
Keep in mind they once had some business and were a minor tourist destination in the 1970s (150,000 visitors per year). After Papa Doc and Baby Doc and Aristide looted the national wealth fast forward to the 2010 earthquake. Now it’s a lesser streaming service dystopian film (“a Tubi original”). I wonder how Kenya was bullied or bribed into sending peacekeepers.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 2 hours ago, 17 minutes later[^][v]#1,453,953
It seems like most of the issues a country has can be put into two buckets: not enough more or not enough democracy. Usually not having enough money is worse than not having enough democracy.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,453,954
Tbh one of the things that’s annoying about foreign aid is that right wing racist nuts hijack the whole thing. But generally, I think the reason why it doesn’t always produce positive results is the same reason why giving money to a homeless person won’t produce positive results. They need the money, they’re poor, they’re going to spend it on what they need in the short term like food or whatever, then tomorrow they’re not going to have any money again. It has to be directed towards profitable industries, and in a country that doesn’t have a lot of profitable industries with a lack of infrastructure, you need a certain amount of capital in order to fund the construction of necessary infrastructure. So investing in building roads, bridges, apartment buildings, hospitals, universities, ports, etc. in theirs world countries, that kind of think would have better long term impact. It’s the same problem if you’re starting a company if you think about it. Most people can’t just walk out their front door and say, "I’m starting a car company!" You need to build the factory, but how are you going to build the factory if you don’t have the money to build the factory? You need industrial investment not just handouts for food or whatever even though that can save people’s lives, but still.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,453,955
Of course there’s a trade off. Because if poor people are working in factories for low wages to make things for rich countries (like what happened with China), that can get called out as exploitation, but that can genuinely be a path towards industrial development. Especially because the skills needed for more advanced manufacturing build up from less advanced manufacturing.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 2 hours ago, 6 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,453,956
Although it’s not guaranteed to work, like when US based companies started moving manufacturing "overseas" (Mexico isn’t really "overseas" but whatever), Mexico didn’t come out with their own internationally successful car brands by copying the Americans. So I think there has to be a political / cultural climate that makes it possible. If there’s either some urgency placed on building an industrial base for ideological reasons or purely competitive reasons. But I think that could be a strategy for third world countries in general to take in international companies and let them build factories, get people trained in random niche roles, and then just copy it. I feel like that would be the fastest way to improve certain parts of the world. But the main barrier is just political there are "oh I wouldn’t go to that country" type places. Although, China didn’t it, so it’s like… you don’t really need a great government.