Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 28 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,453,679
Interesting. Somehow it gets lumped in with fascism, but I see your point on an entitled equality of distribution. They want to undo the hyper capitalism of the sexual market place.
They’re usually friendless guys so they don’t even have a peer group to meet women with.
Regardless, there’s limitations to most guys’ access. Why not just get smart and work what’s available?
Anonymous C double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,453,680
I realize I knew earlier versions of these guys in high school. They’d start out putting some crush on an impossible pedestal, only to hate her for being human. Or blowing someone who wasn’t them.
Live&Lemon joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,453,681
Tbh I think I’m kinda unusual in this regard because I think my personality is kinda reserved. So in high school for example, there were instances where I think some girls thought I was attractive, but I just kinda kept to myself anyway. I don’t really understand the whole incel ideology that not having a girlfriend is like the worst thing that can ever happen to you. I mean, especially as a man, even if you take the whole biological argument, we can have kids when we’re 60. In my early 20s, I don’t need children. I don’t know where I want to live even, how am I supposed to decide on somebody for the rest of my life, what if they want to do something else? Idk. Different people are different I guess.
> Tbh I think I’m kinda unusual in this regard because I think my personality is kinda reserved. So in high school for example, there were instances where I think some girls thought I was attractive, but I just kinda kept to myself anyway. I don’t really understand the whole incel ideology that not having a girlfriend is like the worst thing that can ever happen to you. I mean, especially as a man, even if you take the whole biological argument, we can have kids when we’re 60. In my early 20s, I don’t need children. I don’t know where I want to live even, how am I supposed to decide on somebody for the rest of my life, what if they want to do something else? Idk. Different people are different I guess.
It’s a loser mindset. These guys think they’re losers and trap themselves then rage. Some probably are. I know if I had attended HS with Elliott Rodger’s Benetton poster looks I would have slayed because I have my personality and not his, and unlike him I’m not a closet case.
Live&Lemon replied with this 3 weeks ago, 14 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,453,684
Or even the complaint incels make that women have high standards I guys, it’s like, okay, I have high standards in women. Nobody ever met my standards. Even if it’s true, I don’t see why I should care about it. When you’re more mature, statistically speaking, your net worth goes up with age, and the more money you have, the easier your life is going to be. It’s not like we’re all in a mad dash to get married and have kids as soon as possible. Even with women these days, women can freeze their eggs.
Live&Lemon triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,453,686
Plus to be honest, and maybe I’m wrong about this, if these guys actually did get partners, even though they yap about biology, I don’t think they actually would want to get her pregnant. Somehow I feel like that’s actually not what they want. Maybe I’m wrong.
Live&Lemon quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,453,687
This is a tangent, maybe this is dumb, but I feel like if we had the technology to live for 200 years or 500 years or something, most people could probably achieve whatever they want if they had that much time to fail.
> I think I’ve been realizing more and more than whether you’re a winner or a loser is all about mindset. Rich people can be losers too.
Look at Elon.
On your other point, women often are correct or full of shit. Why would they want some unemployed loser as a partner who has no ambition and spends his time gaming and jerking off? They’re not all after the 6’6” guy who makes +$500K a year (how many are available?).
Dating apps are all fucked anyway so you’re better off meeting women elsewhere.
At the same time I’ve heard some women opine ridiculously about an ideal partner. Nobody could meet that standard. I believe many of them wise up, though some likely scramble and have a kid alone. Women have a ton of power ages 18-30 that then fades with youth. They ultimately want a partner. I think we like the fixate on the minority of women who think Sex in the City is real and that they’ll be dating whales until they decide they want to settle down. Only to become the sad women coming out of the in vitro clinic alone. But then, some of those women had breakups or divorces with bad timing.
Live&Lemon replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,453,690
@previous (C)
Tbh with most of the complaints incels make about women, I feel like it sorta lacks empathy. Because they might say, "women have high standards in men, they want a man who’s rich, but those men are rare." And I think the issue is they can’t reflect on that and put themselves in that situation. Like would you rather have a girlfriend who’s poor or richer than you? I get there’s the whole pride thing about being a man and it’s manly to make more than your wife and blah blah blah, but like if we’re being real, why would you actually not want a rich girlfriend? There’s no rational reason.
> Tbh with most of the complaints incels make about women, I feel like it sorta lacks empathy. Because they might say, "women have high standards in men, they want a man who’s rich, but those men are rare." And I think the issue is they can’t reflect on that and put themselves in that situation. Like would you rather have a girlfriend who’s poor or richer than you? I get there’s the whole pride thing about being a man and it’s manly to make more than your wife and blah blah blah, but like if we’re being real, why would you actually not want a rich girlfriend? There’s no rational reason.
Makes sense. I wouldn’t marry a poor woman. Nothing against her but I know too many guys who did or who married someone from the developing world. These guys are always paying for something for their families and have basically indentured themselves to a bottomless pit.
Live&Lemon replied with this 3 weeks ago, 29 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,453,692
Also, honestly, I don’t want a stressful life. Conservatives have this thing where they glorify the past, not all of them but some of them, like that whole "men used to go to war" meme. I don’t want to go to war and die at 18, that sounds like it sucks, that’s why we have a culture of respecting people who do it, because we know that’s a massive sacrifice that most people don’t want to make. That’s more extreme, but even something like people who have the opinion that women shouldn’t have to work. It’s like, that sounds so stressful though, working to support a family and a fully abled grown adult. Imagine how stressful that would be if you get fired. I feel like that’s the kind of stress that could shorten your life expectancy. Men don’t live as long as women generally, and maybe there’s something biological to it, b it to me at least it’s obvious that social components have something to do with it. Because some men do live to be over 100. You can be a man and live a long time, clearly.
Live&Lemon double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 47 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,453,693
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I guess my thing is it’s not ideal for the other person, but if women are just doing what’s in their rational self interest, I can’t really be mad at it because I’m doing what’s in my own rational self interest and I don’t feel like being a hypocrite.
Live&Lemon triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,453,695
@1,453,692 (Live&Lemon)
You know, if humans can live until 80, dying at 18 or 20 is giving up 3/4ths or only about 75% of your existence on earth over land. That sounds not ideal.
Live&Lemon quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 19 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,453,696
Maybe this is a more nihilistic take, I think having kids when I’m old could be nice, I can’t really understand the concept of caring about what happens on Earth after I die. I just completely don’t care.
> I guess my thing is it’s not ideal for the other person, but if women are just doing what’s in their rational self interest, I can’t really be mad at it because I’m doing what’s in my own rational self interest and I don’t feel like being a hypocrite.
Exactly. There’s nothing to be mad about. Accept and play the game to your advantage. What are you playing for and what rewards do you seek? Act accordingly.