Topic: Communism WORKS.
Anonymous A started this discussion 3 weeks ago #137,043
If you turn the country into an inescapable prison, shift one third of the population to monitoring the other two thirds, establish a national network of penal colonies, and employ state resources to run international scams and arms transfers to raise hard currency to maintain the lifestyle of the elites.
And invest heavily in nukes to stave off regime change.
And invest heavily in nukes to stave off regime change.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 37 minutes later[^] [v] #1,452,996
I don’t know what to believe anymore. The constant goal post shift, the narrative that “communism/socialism is evil!” Yet we’re giving North Korea and Cuba a slap on the wrist.
The whole timeline is just one long gaslighting operation. Where what you thought and believe was right was actually wrong the whole time and whats truly insane is considered by today’s standards normal and appropriate.
I thought white people hated Jews, yet talk shit about Israel and everyone defends it like simps. Nothing makes sense but then again when has it ever.
The whole timeline is just one long gaslighting operation. Where what you thought and believe was right was actually wrong the whole time and whats truly insane is considered by today’s standards normal and appropriate.
I thought white people hated Jews, yet talk shit about Israel and everyone defends it like simps. Nothing makes sense but then again when has it ever.
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Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 9 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,998
@previous (B)
> I don’t know what to believe anymore. The constant goal post shift, the narrative that “communism/socialism is evil!” Yet we’re giving North Korea and Cuba a slap on the wrist.
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> The whole timeline is just one long gaslighting operation. Where what you thought and believe was right was actually wrong the whole time and whats truly insane is considered by today’s standards normal and appropriate.
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> I thought white people hated Jews, yet talk shit about Israel and everyone defends it like simps. Nothing makes sense but then again when has it ever.
You have a right that loves Israel for evangelical Revelations reasons. The left currently doesn’t like Jews, whom they view as white privileged Zionists.
The right hates Communism and authority yet is embracing autocratic practices while socializing risk for the wealthy elites. They are deregulating our checks and balances.
MAGA has exposed the GOP as amoral and autocratic, not libertarian and morally centered.
Woke has a similar cultist mentality of race, gender, and identity obsessed dweebs who completely neglect class unless they’re trying to guilt trip others and launder their own privilege.
It comes down to ideologues who wish to dictate to others with an ever shifting tectonic mess of hackneyed ideas.
> I don’t know what to believe anymore. The constant goal post shift, the narrative that “communism/socialism is evil!” Yet we’re giving North Korea and Cuba a slap on the wrist.
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> The whole timeline is just one long gaslighting operation. Where what you thought and believe was right was actually wrong the whole time and whats truly insane is considered by today’s standards normal and appropriate.
>
> I thought white people hated Jews, yet talk shit about Israel and everyone defends it like simps. Nothing makes sense but then again when has it ever.
You have a right that loves Israel for evangelical Revelations reasons. The left currently doesn’t like Jews, whom they view as white privileged Zionists.
The right hates Communism and authority yet is embracing autocratic practices while socializing risk for the wealthy elites. They are deregulating our checks and balances.
MAGA has exposed the GOP as amoral and autocratic, not libertarian and morally centered.
Woke has a similar cultist mentality of race, gender, and identity obsessed dweebs who completely neglect class unless they’re trying to guilt trip others and launder their own privilege.
It comes down to ideologues who wish to dictate to others with an ever shifting tectonic mess of hackneyed ideas.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 9 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,000
Isn’t capitalism vs communism a false dichotomy in the first place? It’s possible to have capitalism and government intervention at the same time. For instance: the United States.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,001
Like, there are these two philosophers, Karl Marx and Adam Smith. They were both not 100% correct. There’s this idea you have to agree with one or the other, but if you think about it, that’s kinda stupid. We don’t have to listen to either one.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,002
I think it’s true that the free market works most of the time, but there are situations where the free market actually doesn’t work. Maybe the solution is somewhere in the middle and ideological thinking is actually a bad thing.
Anonymous D quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,003
I’m also not a communist but like, the main argument against a centrally planned economy is that people can’t make efficient decisions about how to allocate resources. That’s obviously a problem that can be solved with computers. Not a communist though, don’t accuse me of anything.
Anonymous D quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,005
I also have a feeling that the amount of parallel processing quantum computing allows for, if you have n q-bits you can perform 2^n operations, its exponential, you could probably have a centrally planned economy that’s much much more efficient than capitalism. But nobody will ever try that so never ask me about this.
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Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,017
The people of North Korea and Cuba are clearly miserable.
Their is NO Example of Communism ever working.
Their is NO Example of Communism ever working.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,018
The simplest way to know communism doesn't work is to ask a communist how it would work. They always deflect to shitting on capitalism instead of telling you why communism would work. It just doesn't work
Live&Lemon joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 34 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,019
@previous (F)
Couldn’t a centrally planned economy work if you used technology to monitor every transaction happening in an economy to choose prices efficiently using machine learning?
Couldn’t a centrally planned economy work if you used technology to monitor every transaction happening in an economy to choose prices efficiently using machine learning?
Live&Lemon double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 27 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,021
You know, the way airlines do it.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,022
@1,453,019 (Live&Lemon)
> Couldn’t a centrally planned economy work if you used technology to monitor every transaction happening in an economy to choose prices efficiently using machine learning?
That is only one element of communism and of course it could be the same for any economy.
> Couldn’t a centrally planned economy work if you used technology to monitor every transaction happening in an economy to choose prices efficiently using machine learning?
That is only one element of communism and of course it could be the same for any economy.
Live&Lemon replied with this 3 weeks ago, 34 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,023
Like I acknowledge that communism didn’t work, but the reason why is important. The reason why is because central planners couldn’t efficiently allocate resources. You don’t think there’s an incredibly obvious solution to that problem?Live&Lemon double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,024
@1,453,022 (H)
I just feel like getting emotional over a logistics and information problem is dumb. It’s not impossible to make it work, regardless of whether I like it or dislike it. There are things I like about capitalism it’s not even an anti capitalist thing. I think the ideal system is neither.
I just feel like getting emotional over a logistics and information problem is dumb. It’s not impossible to make it work, regardless of whether I like it or dislike it. There are things I like about capitalism it’s not even an anti capitalist thing. I think the ideal system is neither.
Live&Lemon triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,025
Like imagine if you could use data to track every thing every individual person in an entire country purchases and then you could map that to location data, time of day, time of year, gender, etc. and you could correlate that with their income and determine exactly what they’ll be willing to pay.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,026
@1,453,019 (Live&Lemon)
Who designs and maintains the system? What's to say they don't include code to let them and their friends get a little extra? The point is everyone lies, cheats, and steals but under capitalism everyone gets a chance to lie, cheat, and steal while under communism only the higher ups get that privilege.
Who designs and maintains the system? What's to say they don't include code to let them and their friends get a little extra? The point is everyone lies, cheats, and steals but under capitalism everyone gets a chance to lie, cheat, and steal while under communism only the higher ups get that privilege.
Live&Lemon replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,027
@previous (F)
Capitalism is when man exploits man, communism is the other way around. My point isn’t about fairness, my point is that an economy regulated by AI might be much more efficient than a free market economy which could lead to more advances in technology.
Capitalism is when man exploits man, communism is the other way around. My point isn’t about fairness, my point is that an economy regulated by AI might be much more efficient than a free market economy which could lead to more advances in technology.
Live&Lemon double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 15 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,028
Not saying it’s good or bad, I’m just saying, it might work.
Live&Lemon triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,029
Even in a capitalist economy, there’s pushback to it, but if you let the billionaires do whatever they want, at some point they’re going to do what I said anyway and give everyone a different price determined by the data they collected on you anyway.
Live&Lemon quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 55 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,030
Price discrimination is unfortunately, very efficient. The better you are at it, the more money you can make, even if people don’t like it.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 28 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,031
@1,453,027 (Live&Lemon)
> Capitalism is when man exploits man, communism is the other way around
Okay "man exploits man" so let's turn it around and woah "man exploits man" it's still the same there's a surprise lol. But sure sure let's allow the will smith eating spaghetti video making machine decide who gets to eat
> Capitalism is when man exploits man, communism is the other way around
Okay "man exploits man" so let's turn it around and woah "man exploits man" it's still the same there's a surprise lol. But sure sure let's allow the will smith eating spaghetti video making machine decide who gets to eat
Live&Lemon replied with this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,033
@previous (F)
There’s a trade off between equality and efficiency. If it makes society more unequal, it will still increase the GDP and a higher GDP will give the country more military power and more money to spend on research and development.
There’s a trade off between equality and efficiency. If it makes society more unequal, it will still increase the GDP and a higher GDP will give the country more military power and more money to spend on research and development.
Live&Lemon double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,034
I think there is a process of natural selection in terms of which systems win out in the end. As long as someone tries it somewhere, then it will end up being done everywhere. I’m not saying it’s good or bad, just that it’s not that unlikely that in the future you might have a grocery store where none of the items have prices and you find out when you walk out the door.
Live&Lemon triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,035
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Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,037
@1,453,034 (Live&Lemon)
Yeah that's the problem you little monkey. The system doesn't matter because you'll eventually encounter issues the system wasn't designed for and you'll have to improvise aka change the system a bit. Any system can and will be exploited. What matters is if the people in charge actually give a fuck about the rest of the poor shmucks who live in the country or not. Has Mamdani radically reshaped how the office of mayor functions? No he just started giving a shit while the past guys didn't
Yeah that's the problem you little monkey. The system doesn't matter because you'll eventually encounter issues the system wasn't designed for and you'll have to improvise aka change the system a bit. Any system can and will be exploited. What matters is if the people in charge actually give a fuck about the rest of the poor shmucks who live in the country or not. Has Mamdani radically reshaped how the office of mayor functions? No he just started giving a shit while the past guys didn't
Live&Lemon replied with this 3 weeks ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,038
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,039
@previous (Live&Lemon)
It never really did matter. The only thing that really matters with regard to politics is power. Who has it and who doesn't. These political systems, ideologies, and movements are only attempts to sway hearts and minds into giving up power to certain people because ultimately you need the approval of the people (explicit or implicit) to rule.
It never really did matter. The only thing that really matters with regard to politics is power. Who has it and who doesn't. These political systems, ideologies, and movements are only attempts to sway hearts and minds into giving up power to certain people because ultimately you need the approval of the people (explicit or implicit) to rule.
Live&Lemon replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,040
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,041
@previous (Live&Lemon)
Yeah no shit if you want anything to truly change you need to seek power. The issue is power grants freedom through bondage. You may gain power but power is always given not taken and those who give will expect their demands to be met. Once you seek power, you can't just give it up without risking everything you've worked for being reverted immediately. So it becomes a prison of your own making.
Yeah no shit if you want anything to truly change you need to seek power. The issue is power grants freedom through bondage. You may gain power but power is always given not taken and those who give will expect their demands to be met. Once you seek power, you can't just give it up without risking everything you've worked for being reverted immediately. So it becomes a prison of your own making.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 17 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,043
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 43 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,061
@previous (I)
Well sure you can always try ruling from the shadows with a puppet on the throne but by virtue of being unseen, your authority is also unrecognized. You can easily be tossed aside by said puppet unless you have some way to ensure his loyalty like maybe blackmail or holding his family hostage, etc
Well sure you can always try ruling from the shadows with a puppet on the throne but by virtue of being unseen, your authority is also unrecognized. You can easily be tossed aside by said puppet unless you have some way to ensure his loyalty like maybe blackmail or holding his family hostage, etc
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,062
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 15 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,064
@previous (J)
Well that's where the consent comes in. Whoever holds that political position can choose to ignore your demands and just not take the cash and/or get denied your support in an election, etc. Most just choose to fall in line because it's moolah money kaching baby WOOOOO DOLLA DOLLA BILLS HAHAHAHA
Well that's where the consent comes in. Whoever holds that political position can choose to ignore your demands and just not take the cash and/or get denied your support in an election, etc. Most just choose to fall in line because it's moolah money kaching baby WOOOOO DOLLA DOLLA BILLS HAHAHAHA
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,069
@1,453,017 (E)
> The people of North Korea and Cuba are clearly miserable.
> Their is NO Example of Communism ever working.
It’s a utopian ideology doomed to failure. But its foolish adherents falsely consider themself intellectual and move on to the next project where it will work. Look at the useful idiots who successively championed Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, and Nicaragua, then cheered for Chavez in Venezuela.
> The people of North Korea and Cuba are clearly miserable.
> Their is NO Example of Communism ever working.
It’s a utopian ideology doomed to failure. But its foolish adherents falsely consider themself intellectual and move on to the next project where it will work. Look at the useful idiots who successively championed Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, and Nicaragua, then cheered for Chavez in Venezuela.
Anonymous B replied with this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,073
@1,453,041 (F)
That’s why people need to simp to meh. Give me your power and I’ll remove any notion of free will and politics from your life. I’ll see to it that you never have to answer anybody except me. You will never have to suffer nor do you have to engage in meandering political debates when you can just submit yourself to my cause.
Thats the problem with humanity. It’s that free will. Everyone fighting for power. Nobody wants to concede and theres always a struggle but If I could remove all we wouldn’t have these talks.
That’s why people need to simp to meh. Give me your power and I’ll remove any notion of free will and politics from your life. I’ll see to it that you never have to answer anybody except me. You will never have to suffer nor do you have to engage in meandering political debates when you can just submit yourself to my cause.
Thats the problem with humanity. It’s that free will. Everyone fighting for power. Nobody wants to concede and theres always a struggle but If I could remove all we wouldn’t have these talks.
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Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 40 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,076
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,453,085
too much nigger in this thread
