Topic: Do you think anyone could realistically become king of the world?
Anonymous A started this discussion 3 hours ago #136,997
It's never been done but could it be? What do you think it would take?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 hours ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #1,452,697
Has Satan been tempting you or something
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 hours ago, 1 minute later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,698
This is purely speculative, but I think the reason why we couldn’t conquer the entire world in the past is because we simply never had the technical means to do so, and then nuclear weapons were invented. In the 1940s, there was a window I think where I’d say the US, China, and the USSR teamed up to take over the world instead of three tiny countries, the industrial technology was at a point where maybe it was possible. It’s just that window closed because nuclear bombs were invented. I do think if we colonize another planet it will probably end up being one country though. Then there’s a thing where if you imagine humans living on another planet, that gets rid of mutually assured destruction, so then maybe you could have a war between planets where Earth loses and becomes one giant colony or something. That’s my thought on it.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,700
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,701
Either that or maybe if some country invents some new technology that causes economic divergence from the rest of the world like what happened in Europe when the steam engine was invented to the point where all other weapons that were invented before become useless. Like if you could shoot down ICBMs with 100% accuracy or something crazy.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 hours ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,702
@1,452,698 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I think with what the US is planning it's possible. I do think nukes are an issue though because multiple countries have them. Though to be fair if you just cut off their food supply the countries will crumble from within before they probably get a chance to use them
I think with what the US is planning it's possible. I do think nukes are an issue though because multiple countries have them. Though to be fair if you just cut off their food supply the countries will crumble from within before they probably get a chance to use them
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 hours ago, 54 seconds later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,703
But that’s kinda like hitting a bullet with a bullet but the bullet is coming from space, and there are thousands of them, and each one can destroy a whole city. It’s not physically impossible obviously. But impractical.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 hours ago, 1 minute later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,704
@1,452,702 (A)
I think the US probably couldn’t take over the entire world. We’re rich and have a lot of weapons, the issue is we lost a lot of our manufacturing capacity, so it’s not clear how long we’d still have so many weapons.
I think the US probably couldn’t take over the entire world. We’re rich and have a lot of weapons, the issue is we lost a lot of our manufacturing capacity, so it’s not clear how long we’d still have so many weapons.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 hours ago, 8 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,705
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Well the world needs oil so you control the oil and you basically control the world (obviously one of the ideas behind the petrodollar). The issue is people can just decide to stop using the dollar to buy oil so...what if they couldn't? Well that's the idea behind what the US is doing right now. They're setting things in motion to take control of every maritime chokepoint on the seas so we can control who gets to sail and where. So this is really important because if we decide you don't get oil, well you better be willing to fight the US military for it or just go without. We can also just deny you the ability to ship in food. It's a pretty massive power grab so I could see a king of the world coming about this way if it's really done properly but lol I don't expect trump to pull it off
Well the world needs oil so you control the oil and you basically control the world (obviously one of the ideas behind the petrodollar). The issue is people can just decide to stop using the dollar to buy oil so...what if they couldn't? Well that's the idea behind what the US is doing right now. They're setting things in motion to take control of every maritime chokepoint on the seas so we can control who gets to sail and where. So this is really important because if we decide you don't get oil, well you better be willing to fight the US military for it or just go without. We can also just deny you the ability to ship in food. It's a pretty massive power grab so I could see a king of the world coming about this way if it's really done properly but lol I don't expect trump to pull it off
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 hours ago, 1 minute later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,706
One thing I worry about sometimes is if nuclear weapons have halted the progress of our species. For example, imagine if we still had city states instead of nation states where our technology would be at. It would probably be pretty inferior compared to what we have now. Maybe you just need an organized state to fund some types of research. For example, traveling to other star systems, what if you just need a planet that’s unified in order to actually achieve that.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,707
@1,452,705 (A)
Well, the issue with that is that oil is important because of where we are technologically as a species. In the short term, because of because climate change, there will be a focus on renewables and nuclear power, but in the long term, fusion is physically possible even if it’s not technically feasible yet. Once some country invents a way to use nuclear fusion to generate electricity, there’s probably never going to be a reason to fight over energy resources ever again since the earth is mostly covered in water and water contains hydrogen, it’s the most abundant element in the universe.
Well, the issue with that is that oil is important because of where we are technologically as a species. In the short term, because of because climate change, there will be a focus on renewables and nuclear power, but in the long term, fusion is physically possible even if it’s not technically feasible yet. Once some country invents a way to use nuclear fusion to generate electricity, there’s probably never going to be a reason to fight over energy resources ever again since the earth is mostly covered in water and water contains hydrogen, it’s the most abundant element in the universe.
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,708
And space travel in general, if you think about it, the race between the US and the Soviet Union that led to the development of human space flight never would have happened if it was funded by private industry because it’s not profitable. The economy will never lead to some innovations on its own.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,709
@1,452,707 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Well that's the thing. People always say "oh one day people will use the BRICS unit instead of the dollar!" or "one day we won't use oil!" but the thing is those transitions take time and countries are reluctant to embrace change. Even if they started the shift tomorrow it would take years. People will start starving and then revolting long before the world can really react to what the US is doing properly
Well that's the thing. People always say "oh one day people will use the BRICS unit instead of the dollar!" or "one day we won't use oil!" but the thing is those transitions take time and countries are reluctant to embrace change. Even if they started the shift tomorrow it would take years. People will start starving and then revolting long before the world can really react to what the US is doing properly
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,710
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,711
As far as I’m aware, they’ve never said it explicitly, but China has been producing a lot of electric vehicles, and the largest share of their electricity production comes from coal. China’s rapid growth in the auto industry was heavily subsidized. But China has been much slower to move away from fossil fuels, but they’re not relying as heavily on oil specifically. I think that’s probably a strategic decision they made years ago.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 44 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,712
@1,452,710 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I mean obviously it's not a secret lol the US military has literally posted this plan on their website. Countries will obviously try to adjust before the US gains control but they likely won't be able to in time. If Trump gets a third term (very possible) then it's basically over
I mean obviously it's not a secret lol the US military has literally posted this plan on their website. Countries will obviously try to adjust before the US gains control but they likely won't be able to in time. If Trump gets a third term (very possible) then it's basically over
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,713
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,714
Also Trump can’t serve a third term, because that goes against the American constitution.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,715
@1,452,713 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I don't think you realize how dependent china is on oil. They import 70% of the oil they consume and their entire economic model is based on manufacturing cheap goods. If you take their oil, they're absolutely fucked
I don't think you realize how dependent china is on oil. They import 70% of the oil they consume and their entire economic model is based on manufacturing cheap goods. If you take their oil, they're absolutely fucked
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,716
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,717
Hold on a second, that’s not a great chart… it’s not exactly what I’m looking for…
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,718
@1,452,716 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
This is for energy not manufacturing specifically. What good is it to keep the lights on when nobody has jobs because the companies can't make anything?
This is for energy not manufacturing specifically. What good is it to keep the lights on when nobody has jobs because the companies can't make anything?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 38 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,719
This is better, the other one is misleading.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,721
@1,452,718 (A)
> This is for energy not manufacturing specifically. What good is it to keep the lights on when nobody has jobs because the companies can't make anything?
The Wall Street Journal has a video about Chinese factories that might be relevant here:
https://youtu.be/MCBdcNA_FsI
> This is for energy not manufacturing specifically. What good is it to keep the lights on when nobody has jobs because the companies can't make anything?
The Wall Street Journal has a video about Chinese factories that might be relevant here:
https://youtu.be/MCBdcNA_FsI
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,722
If you manufacture electric vehicles using robots that are powered by electricity that’s mostly generated from burning coal, oil is much less important. That’s a decision they made.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 55 seconds later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,723
@1,452,721 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Bro you have chart brainrot. China needs oil for manufacturing period. Where do you think all the plastic in those cheap Chinese products is coming from?
Bro you have chart brainrot. China needs oil for manufacturing period. Where do you think all the plastic in those cheap Chinese products is coming from?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,724
In fact China realizes it's a massive vulnerability which is why they stockpiled such massive amounts of oil. Unfortunately because of the Iran war they've had to start depleting those stockpiles
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 12 seconds later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,725
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 hours ago, 59 seconds later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,726
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,727
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
No you can't because it's AI tech companies holding the US economy up right now and that's mostly speculative bullshit. China needs that oil and they need it bad and everyone knows it
No you can't because it's AI tech companies holding the US economy up right now and that's mostly speculative bullshit. China needs that oil and they need it bad and everyone knows it
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 48 seconds later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,728
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 59 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,729
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
We're talking about two different things. I'm talking about Chinese manufacturing aka what the world wants from China. You're talking about the US keeping the lights on. It's not the same thing.
We're talking about two different things. I'm talking about Chinese manufacturing aka what the world wants from China. You're talking about the US keeping the lights on. It's not the same thing.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,730
@previous (A)
You said China has been depleting their oil stockpiles because of the war in Iran. I just said you can say the same thing about the US.
You said China has been depleting their oil stockpiles because of the war in Iran. I just said you can say the same thing about the US.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,731
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I'm telling you it matters less for America than it does for China which is the point
I'm telling you it matters less for America than it does for China which is the point
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,732
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,733
I don’t get what you’re arguing for exactly. Are you trying to argue that the US is going to take over the world because Trump is the first president to ever think about manipulating the oil market?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,734
@1,452,732 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
The US controls the global reserve currency bro. This effectively means the US can just print as much money as they want and everyone just has to deal with it (as long as demand for US dollars remains high)
The US controls the global reserve currency bro. This effectively means the US can just print as much money as they want and everyone just has to deal with it (as long as demand for US dollars remains high)
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 46 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,735
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 50 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,736
@1,452,733 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
No the point is Trump has solidified control with his cult of personality and is crazy enough to do this shit. That's the only reason it's happening now instead of in 20 years. The American people are broken and won't stop him
No the point is Trump has solidified control with his cult of personality and is crazy enough to do this shit. That's the only reason it's happening now instead of in 20 years. The American people are broken and won't stop him
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,737
@1,452,735 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
What makes you think the American government gives a damn about inflation right now lmao? Trump has said straight up he doesn't give a fuck lol
What makes you think the American government gives a damn about inflation right now lmao? Trump has said straight up he doesn't give a fuck lol
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 2 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,738
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,740
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Trump doesn't need to understand shit. Trump just needs to be the face to keep the southerners (the ones with all the guns) in line and they worship trump like a god. The real people calling the shots you don't really see. They hand trump a plan (stuff like project 2025) and trump just executes the plan
Trump doesn't need to understand shit. Trump just needs to be the face to keep the southerners (the ones with all the guns) in line and they worship trump like a god. The real people calling the shots you don't really see. They hand trump a plan (stuff like project 2025) and trump just executes the plan
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 51 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,741
You do realize when people start committing suicide by jumping off the ship into the water, that might not be a sign you’re about to conquer the world.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,742
It’s been over 250 days at sea, and multiple people have tried to commit suicide by jumping in the water, and you’re here talking about conquering the world. I just don’t see it, I really don’t.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 23 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,743
@1,452,741 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Yeah well it's the outline. Trump obviously doesn't surround himself with the most competent people and hegseth proves that. Anyway realistically trump really doesn't need to do this all by himself. He just needs to get the ball rolling and eventually it'll be difficult for the US to pull out. Nobody ever wants to be the guy to pull out. Look at the US pulling out of Afghanistan it was a massive cluster fuck
Yeah well it's the outline. Trump obviously doesn't surround himself with the most competent people and hegseth proves that. Anyway realistically trump really doesn't need to do this all by himself. He just needs to get the ball rolling and eventually it'll be difficult for the US to pull out. Nobody ever wants to be the guy to pull out. Look at the US pulling out of Afghanistan it was a massive cluster fuck
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 2 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,745
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,746
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Haha well that's the golden question isn't it? All eyes on the Strait of Malacca. In fact I've been seeing news of some strange stuff happening in Indonesia. Maybe it's starting already but something will 100% flare up there soon
Haha well that's the golden question isn't it? All eyes on the Strait of Malacca. In fact I've been seeing news of some strange stuff happening in Indonesia. Maybe it's starting already but something will 100% flare up there soon
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 hour ago, 18 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,452,758
Apparently Indonesia is going through some financial issues as their currency's value has been crashing and everyone is rushing to get money out of the country so they've started locking everything down to trap money in the country. Interesting