Topic: Europe encourages its neighbours to practise migration blackmail
Meta started this discussion 1 month ago #136,795
https://www.economist.com/europe/2026/08/05/europe-encourages-its-neighbours-to-practise-migration-blackmailIT WAS like a tide surging onto the beach and then ebbing, leaving wreckage behind. The vast majority of the tens of thousands of would-be migrants who began rushing into Ceuta, a small Spanish exclave on the north African coast, on July 30th returned to Morocco within 24 hours, having found nothing to eat and no prospect of reaching Europe. Discarded shoes and shirts still litter the bay. A few thousand migrants remain, mainly sub-Saharan Africans and minors, as does a heavy police presence. Yet though the immediate crisis is over, the clash it triggered in the European Union will leave scars.
Crisis? What crisis? These are the New Europeans, ready to work and pay taxes!The surge almost doubled Ceuta’s population of 84,000, briefly overwhelming the town.
You mean almost doubled Ceuta's GDP and left the local government coffers overwhelmed with tax funds for social welfare. The extraordinary images prompted panic across Europe. Italy, backed by Denmark and Finland, said it would suspend co-operation with Spain in the passport-free Schengen zone (in the end it imposed minor spot checks at ports and airports). Sweden’s prime minister, facing a tricky re-election bid next month, said “2015 must not happen again,” a reference to a huge migration surge into Europe that still haunts governments.
Why is this bad? Since mass immigration boosts GDP shouldn't Swedes be hoping they can have another 2015 every year? 🤔Europe has long experience of such migration blackmail. In 2008 Muammar Qaddafi, then Libya’s dictator, secured billions from Italy to keep African migrants away; two years later he warned an audience in Rome that “tomorrow Europe might no longer be European and might even be black”.
Great replacement theory! Yikes! 😬 Thank god Hillary and Obama took that racist meanie out and turned Libya into anarchy and open air slave markets. You can buy a slave now for as little as $400: https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/the-scandal-of-a-slave-market-in-libya which is much less (inflation adjusted) than old time Southern plantation owners had to pay! Now THAT's progress! 💵👦🏿👦🏿Most shamelessly, since 2021 Belarus has flown in Middle Eastern migrants and sent them into Poland and neighbouring states. Regarding this as an act of hybrid war, in 2021 the EU strengthened its sanctions on Belarus, an ally of Vladimir Putin.
Wait what? Why are they mad at Belarus?! Belarus is just trying to help Europe fund its social welfare with more young workers who are exactly as productive and law-abiding as old stock Europeans. If anything, they should be thankful the Belarusian people are so idiotic that they don't want to grow their own economy! In 2015 politicians in Germany or Sweden who saw hundreds of thousands of Syrian and other migrants reach Greece understood this would soon be their problem.
I thought Merkel and Friends were happy about it? What happened to Refugees Welcome and Wir schaffen das (We can do this)?(Edited 1 minute later.)
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Man, these Europeans sure sound like incompetent rulers.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 39 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,379
Maybe we should let people who aren’t incompetent run things instead.
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Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 36 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,387
@1,451,380 (D)
> Do nothing.
He didn't "do nothing", he applied marxist praxis.
Meanwhile in America you have retards parroting "we can't expect the wealth of the past, we must accept the new reality". People that will never realize their ideology holds them back because they've been convinced they don't have an ideology, that they are above it.
They will mortgage their life to buy a certificate from colleges, and then the admins and professors will take their $100,000 and the bankers lending them the money will take another $100,000 and they will use that money to buy thousands of drugged up fucks with those men's wives, mothers, and daughters.
🤓👆 —It's worth it because my code has soul, not like those stupid machines! Businesses will line up to pay me a 6 figure salary, pay for my health insurance and rent for office space!"
Then they graduate and have higher unemployment rates than HS grads. One day they decide rolling over and presenting their anus to another man is worth it to pay off the student loans before they grow bigger. Poor guys will moan as their anus breaks and lose it's taughtness, and they'll hear their wife moaning in the next room as she does her part.
It's sad and disgusting. But why does it happen? The most delicate and intricate part of the body is the complex synaptic wiring in the brain. When a fine tuned system is mix-and-matched randomly with a foreigner, it almost never comes out equal or better. It's just a mess of random wiring. Add in cerebral melanation and people will proudly sign up for indentured servitude.
> Do nothing.
He didn't "do nothing", he applied marxist praxis.
Meanwhile in America you have retards parroting "we can't expect the wealth of the past, we must accept the new reality". People that will never realize their ideology holds them back because they've been convinced they don't have an ideology, that they are above it.
They will mortgage their life to buy a certificate from colleges, and then the admins and professors will take their $100,000 and the bankers lending them the money will take another $100,000 and they will use that money to buy thousands of drugged up fucks with those men's wives, mothers, and daughters.
🤓👆 —It's worth it because my code has soul, not like those stupid machines! Businesses will line up to pay me a 6 figure salary, pay for my health insurance and rent for office space!"
Then they graduate and have higher unemployment rates than HS grads. One day they decide rolling over and presenting their anus to another man is worth it to pay off the student loans before they grow bigger. Poor guys will moan as their anus breaks and lose it's taughtness, and they'll hear their wife moaning in the next room as she does her part.
It's sad and disgusting. But why does it happen? The most delicate and intricate part of the body is the complex synaptic wiring in the brain. When a fine tuned system is mix-and-matched randomly with a foreigner, it almost never comes out equal or better. It's just a mess of random wiring. Add in cerebral melanation and people will proudly sign up for indentured servitude.
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,388
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,389
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You think your code is special, and it's not.
You'll reinvent the wheel, or you'll make something stupider.
You think your code is special, and it's not.
You'll reinvent the wheel, or you'll make something stupider.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 58 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,391
Unlike you I have ascended one step above that human level shit.
You argue who has superior biology, but biology itself is inferior.
You argue who has superior biology, but biology itself is inferior.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,392
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Exactly, meat making code is inferior to an LLM running on a GPU.
Exactly, meat making code is inferior to an LLM running on a GPU.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,393
My soldiers know that death is lighter than a feather but duty is heavier than a mountain! They have been programmed that way.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,394
@1,451,392 (E)
> Exactly, meat making code is inferior to an LLM running on a GPU.
Don’t get me wrong, I think ChatGPT is smarter than you. That’s not my disagreement with you.
> Exactly, meat making code is inferior to an LLM running on a GPU.
Don’t get me wrong, I think ChatGPT is smarter than you. That’s not my disagreement with you.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 second later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,395
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 25 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,397
Or would it be tubaed? Tromboned sounds cooler.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,398
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@1,451,394 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Why are you hedging the integrity of your anus on your sentimental feelings about your code?
Why are you hedging the integrity of your anus on your sentimental feelings about your code?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,400
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,401
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Because I like the feeling when a black anus snaps for the first and last time
Because I like the feeling when a black anus snaps for the first and last time
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 17 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,402
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,403
你和他是同性恋英国男
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Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,404
@1,451,402 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I have more taught black anuses to stretch than I can handle right now! There are support groups for student loan garnishment, and I can find a lot of scholarly blacks boys that need some help paying down their loan.
I have more taught black anuses to stretch than I can handle right now! There are support groups for student loan garnishment, and I can find a lot of scholarly blacks boys that need some help paying down their loan.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 26 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,405
But nah man, it’s cool I get it. You’re too low IQ to write HTML because the syntax is just too complicated for you so you want the machine God to take over that responsibility for you. I hear you.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,406
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Oh, you don't write everything in assembly? So you're retarded?
Oh, you don't write everything in assembly? So you're retarded?
Anonymous E double-posted this 1 month ago, 59 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,407
I write everything in machine code. My time in the industry has taught me employers won't hire anyone who uses a compiler. Even using a color screen is looked down upon.
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 42 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,408
…except your machine God is an autocomplete algorithm because that’s how low IQ you are that you know you can’t compete with ChatGPT.
You know Sam Altman is a gay Jewish man btw? I’m just saying, you’re an anti black white supremacist and your machine God autocomplete algorithm that’s totally so much smarter than you that you’ll never compete with it was created by a gay Jewish guy.
You know Sam Altman is a gay Jewish man btw? I’m just saying, you’re an anti black white supremacist and your machine God autocomplete algorithm that’s totally so much smarter than you that you’ll never compete with it was created by a gay Jewish guy.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,409
@1,451,407 (E)
I’ve actually written programs in assembly. You think a chatbot is Jesus. I think there might be a gap in our levels of intelligence, don’t get me wrong. I’m more concerned that you’re getting less than and greater than confused.
I’ve actually written programs in assembly. You think a chatbot is Jesus. I think there might be a gap in our levels of intelligence, don’t get me wrong. I’m more concerned that you’re getting less than and greater than confused.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,410
@1,451,408 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
> …except your machine God is an autocomplete algorithm because that’s how low IQ you are that you know you can’t compete with ChatGPT.
There's no meaningful way in which humans aren't just an autocomplete algorithm either.
You've been asked before to name any meaningful difference that would make a human brain special that a machine isn't, and you can never actually find one.
inb4 you say "stateless" again, or any other number of arguments that has been refuted 3 times before.
> You know Sam Altman is a gay Jewish man btw? I’m just saying, you’re an anti black white supremacist and your machine God autocomplete algorithm that’s totally so much smarter than you that you’ll never compete with it was created by a gay Jewish guy.
Altman didn't create transformers, and that's not the only AI company. You could even run your own model.
Irrelevant anyway, if I found out AC was created by a gay jew, do you think I'd toss it?
> …except your machine God is an autocomplete algorithm because that’s how low IQ you are that you know you can’t compete with ChatGPT.
There's no meaningful way in which humans aren't just an autocomplete algorithm either.
You've been asked before to name any meaningful difference that would make a human brain special that a machine isn't, and you can never actually find one.
inb4 you say "stateless" again, or any other number of arguments that has been refuted 3 times before.
> You know Sam Altman is a gay Jewish man btw? I’m just saying, you’re an anti black white supremacist and your machine God autocomplete algorithm that’s totally so much smarter than you that you’ll never compete with it was created by a gay Jewish guy.
Altman didn't create transformers, and that's not the only AI company. You could even run your own model.
Irrelevant anyway, if I found out AC was created by a gay jew, do you think I'd toss it?
Anonymous E double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,411
@1,451,409 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Non-luddite: "This loom will replace textile workers"
Luddite: "You think the loom is Jesus!"
Non-luddite: "This loom will replace textile workers"
Luddite: "You think the loom is Jesus!"
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 8 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,412
@1,451,410 (E)
> There's no meaningful way in which humans aren't just an autocomplete algorithm either.
Let me stop you right there: the very first sentence of all you just wrote is obviously wrong. You don’t do anything other than autocomplete sentences?
That’s obviously stupid, you don’t have to use words to think in the first place. I can think without using words.
> There's no meaningful way in which humans aren't just an autocomplete algorithm either.
Let me stop you right there: the very first sentence of all you just wrote is obviously wrong. You don’t do anything other than autocomplete sentences?
That’s obviously stupid, you don’t have to use words to think in the first place. I can think without using words.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,413
Most of your brain isn’t even dedicated to language in the first place.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 40 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,414
@1,451,412 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You should know there are many non-language ways machines process information outside of language.
You should know there are many non-language ways machines process information outside of language.
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 1 second later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,416
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 47 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,417
You said this:
> There's no meaningful way in which humans aren't just an autocomplete algorithm either.
If there is a machine that does something other than autocomplete, that doesn’t make what you said true, it’s still false.
> There's no meaningful way in which humans aren't just an autocomplete algorithm either.
If there is a machine that does something other than autocomplete, that doesn’t make what you said true, it’s still false.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 44 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,418
@1,451,416 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
We both know I was referring to human language, because I was responding to you saying machine language is just autocomplete.
Do you really need everything spelled out?
We both know I was referring to human language, because I was responding to you saying machine language is just autocomplete.
Do you really need everything spelled out?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 17 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,419
And don’t tell yourself "oh he’s just calling me stupid because he doesn’t have an argument." I’m calling you stupid because you constantly say stupid things.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 7 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,420
@1,451,417 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Now put it into the context it was in, and use common sense inference about how meaning changes in context.
Now put it into the context it was in, and use common sense inference about how meaning changes in context.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 28 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,421
@1,451,418 (E)
Your statement was wrong. You said the human brain doesn’t do anything except autocomplete. It doesn’t matter what context you said that in, it’s factually wrong.
Your statement was wrong. You said the human brain doesn’t do anything except autocomplete. It doesn’t matter what context you said that in, it’s factually wrong.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 9 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,422
@1,451,419 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You can't show human language is anything more than predicting what to say, but you're whole argument for dismissing machine language is to call it autocomplete.
You can't show human language is anything more than predicting what to say, but you're whole argument for dismissing machine language is to call it autocomplete.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 18 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,423
@1,451,420 (E)
Shut the fuck up. You never admit a mistake because you’re a narcissist. I’m not doing this bullshit with you. You were wrong, accept you were wrong, and shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up. You never admit a mistake because you’re a narcissist. I’m not doing this bullshit with you. You were wrong, accept you were wrong, and shut the fuck up.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 45 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,424
It’s so obvious that you’re jealous of me.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 15 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,425
@1,451,421 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
If you are dismissing entirely, then you might actually be autistic.
Autistic people generally are unable to understand pragmatics.
If you are dismissing entirely, then you might actually be autistic.
Autistic people generally are unable to understand pragmatics.
Anonymous E double-posted this 1 month ago, 34 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,426
@1,451,424 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I'm relieved to know that I can understand pragmatics like most people, considering you are admitting here you have zero understanding of it.
I'm relieved to know that I can understand pragmatics like most people, considering you are admitting here you have zero understanding of it.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 7 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,427
@1,451,425 (E)
You’re not a pragmatist you’re a liar. You said something that’s blatantly false and now you want to dance around it. Just shut up, you have nothing valuable to say.
You’re not a pragmatist you’re a liar. You said something that’s blatantly false and now you want to dance around it. Just shut up, you have nothing valuable to say.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,428
I don’t understand how you’re so stupid you can’t get it through your thick skull that nothing you say makes sense. Everything you say sounds so stupid. nobody has a right to be this stupid.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,429
@1,451,427 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
> You’re not a pragmatist
LOL, I didn't say I was a pragmatist, I said you don't understand pragmatics.
The meaning of words changes depending on their context, that's how language works in all languages. How that meaning changes is dependent on the language.
"Yes" doesn't mean much on it's own, but has a distinct meaning depending on what the other person said before it, that's pragmatics.
You can't defend your claim that humans are doing something meaningful that machines can't do, so instead you are trying to use a gotcha when we both know the context was comparing human and machine language. Or you genuinely can't understand pragmatics (meaning in context) because you have severe autism.
> You’re not a pragmatist
LOL, I didn't say I was a pragmatist, I said you don't understand pragmatics.
The meaning of words changes depending on their context, that's how language works in all languages. How that meaning changes is dependent on the language.
"Yes" doesn't mean much on it's own, but has a distinct meaning depending on what the other person said before it, that's pragmatics.
You can't defend your claim that humans are doing something meaningful that machines can't do, so instead you are trying to use a gotcha when we both know the context was comparing human and machine language. Or you genuinely can't understand pragmatics (meaning in context) because you have severe autism.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,430
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If machines are so much more valuable than you, then why don’t you die so my laptop can live? Because I like my laptop a hell of a lot more than I like you.
If machines are so much more valuable than you, then why don’t you die so my laptop can live? Because I like my laptop a hell of a lot more than I like you.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 49 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,431
@1,451,428 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You can't defend your belief that machines are just autocomplete but humans are special.
Once again, you will write a comment with anyrhing but a defense, because it's not a defensible idea it's a sentimental feeling you have, just faith.
You can't defend your belief that machines are just autocomplete but humans are special.
Once again, you will write a comment with anyrhing but a defense, because it's not a defensible idea it's a sentimental feeling you have, just faith.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 13 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,432
Like yeah, I get your argument. Inanimate objects are more valuable than humans. Great. You’re a human. I accept your argument. My laptop is worth more than your life is.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 11 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,433
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 57 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,435
@1,451,431 (E)
> You can't defend your belief that machines are just autocomplete but humans are special.
LLMs are autocomplete algorithms by definition. Humans are organisms. How fucking stupid are you? Is a rock a tree? This argument is based on something that’s obviously stupid. A human isn’t an algorithm, an algorithm is an algorithm and a human is a human. A human is bad at being an algorithm and an algorithm is bad at being a human. What kind of moron are you?
> You can't defend your belief that machines are just autocomplete but humans are special.
LLMs are autocomplete algorithms by definition. Humans are organisms. How fucking stupid are you? Is a rock a tree? This argument is based on something that’s obviously stupid. A human isn’t an algorithm, an algorithm is an algorithm and a human is a human. A human is bad at being an algorithm and an algorithm is bad at being a human. What kind of moron are you?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,436
LLMs aren’t even machines, they’re software. You’re not software, you’re a human. This is so stupid.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 1 month ago, 27 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,437
Can a human be a video game? Can a human be a PNG file? Do you even comprehend how dumb this sounds to me?
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 39 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,438
@1,451,435 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
> LLMs are autocomplete algorithms by definition.
I'm not contesting that they are.
> Humans are organisms.
So is your argument that organisms can't predict things?
That seems like a silly argument, so why don't you actually write out a syllogisms or something.
> LLMs are autocomplete algorithms by definition.
I'm not contesting that they are.
> Humans are organisms.
So is your argument that organisms can't predict things?
That seems like a silly argument, so why don't you actually write out a syllogisms or something.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,439
@previous (E)
Organisms can predict things, and LLMs can predict things. Birds can fly and so can airplanes in a flight simulator.
That’s not a real argument.
Organisms can predict things, and LLMs can predict things. Birds can fly and so can airplanes in a flight simulator.
That’s not a real argument.
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Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,440
@1,451,436 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
@1,451,437 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Write out a syllogism, because now it sounds like your argument is that we would use a different name for behavior that we saw in a machine and organism.
@1,451,437 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Write out a syllogism, because now it sounds like your argument is that we would use a different name for behavior that we saw in a machine and organism.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 51 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,441
@previous (E)
An LLM isn’t a machine, it’s software. It’s a file. A PNG file is a file, an LLM is a file.
An LLM isn’t a machine, it’s software. It’s a file. A PNG file is a file, an LLM is a file.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 17 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,442
@1,451,439 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
A meaningful difference in the flight of birds and planes is very easy to identify:
1. flapping vs rigid wings
2. jet fuel engine vs animal cellular metabolisms
A meaningful difference in the flight of birds and planes is very easy to identify:
1. flapping vs rigid wings
2. jet fuel engine vs animal cellular metabolisms
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 26 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,443
@previous (E)
Oh but the difference between a file download on a computer and you isn’t obvious to you?
Oh but the difference between a file download on a computer and you isn’t obvious to you?
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 47 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,444
@1,451,441 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Yes, and culture isn't a neuron.
What meaningful difference is there for a computer+LLM compared to a brain+naturallanguage
Yes, and culture isn't a neuron.
What meaningful difference is there for a computer+LLM compared to a brain+naturallanguage
Anonymous E double-posted this 1 month ago, 38 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,445
@1,451,443 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I have pointed out in multiple threads that you can't name any meaningful difference between autocomplete and human language generation.
If it was obvious, why do you mever just say it?
I have pointed out in multiple threads that you can't name any meaningful difference between autocomplete and human language generation.
If it was obvious, why do you mever just say it?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 2 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,446
Maybe that’s a sign you’re not mentally well enough to be allowed access to a computer because you’ll start thinking your computer is sentient and you’re talking to God and go crazy and kill somebody. It’s happened before.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 52 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,447
@1,451,445 (E)
LLMs don’t understand anything. They’re just spitting out tokens based on what they’ve seen previously. To attribute intelligence to that shows your lack of intelligence.
LLMs don’t understand anything. They’re just spitting out tokens based on what they’ve seen previously. To attribute intelligence to that shows your lack of intelligence.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 1 month ago, 43 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,448
I don’t even understand why you could even think that an LLM is intelligent when it’s obviously not.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,449
@1,451,447 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
And how could you actually show that humans do understand? What test?
Any time you've been asked you avoid the question, switch to personal attacks, anything but give a simple answer. Because you can't identify any meaningful difference, you just have a feeling, and you can't tell feelings from facts.
And how could you actually show that humans do understand? What test?
Any time you've been asked you avoid the question, switch to personal attacks, anything but give a simple answer. Because you can't identify any meaningful difference, you just have a feeling, and you can't tell feelings from facts.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 1 second later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,450
But of course I already know you’re an idiot because you openly identify as a racist. I’ve never met a smart racist before. I’m pretty sure being rot fucking stupid is a prerequisite for that.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 36 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,452
@1,451,449 (E)
Maybe if you don’t understand that’s your own fault. No amount of explaining will ever be enough for you because you lack the mental capacity.
Maybe if you don’t understand that’s your own fault. No amount of explaining will ever be enough for you because you lack the mental capacity.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 2 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,453
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 31 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,454
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 14 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,455
@1,451,452 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
So no, you still can't name anything? Just like every other time, you insist there is a meaningful difference, but then have no actual test or explanation of what is different that actually ends up mattering.
So no, you still can't name anything? Just like every other time, you insist there is a meaningful difference, but then have no actual test or explanation of what is different that actually ends up mattering.
Anonymous E double-posted this 1 month ago, 30 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,456
@1,451,454 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You "don't care" on the same questions every time, what a coincidence. Almost as if you are unable to ever come up with an answer!
You "don't care" on the same questions every time, what a coincidence. Almost as if you are unable to ever come up with an answer!
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,457
@1,451,455 (E)
You know what? Yes, your AI girlfriend is actually sentient. Now go talk to her instead of me.
You know what? Yes, your AI girlfriend is actually sentient. Now go talk to her instead of me.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 16 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,458
Fucking idiot.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 17 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,459
@1,451,454 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Do you think employers will pay the 6 figure premium to hire based on a gut feeling, if no one can ever figure out why human code is special?
I don't, business owners are cut throat and empiricle. You'll be selling your anus to pay off those loans.
Do you think employers will pay the 6 figure premium to hire based on a gut feeling, if no one can ever figure out why human code is special?
I don't, business owners are cut throat and empiricle. You'll be selling your anus to pay off those loans.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,461
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 45 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,462
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 20 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,463
Hey dumbass, I don’t know if you know this but LLMs are a type of machine learning algorithm and machine learning is a branch of computer science.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 27 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,464
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 1 month ago, 25 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,465
All this pointing at me, but what about youuuuuuu.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,466
@1,451,463 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Great, now what about humans is special, that computers can't do?
If I have a robot that can walk, and someone says that it's nothing like a human, because a human leg is part of human physiology they haven't named any meaningful difference in how a human can walk better than the robot.
Great, now what about humans is special, that computers can't do?
If I have a robot that can walk, and someone says that it's nothing like a human, because a human leg is part of human physiology they haven't named any meaningful difference in how a human can walk better than the robot.
Anonymous E double-posted this 1 month ago, 15 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,467
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 31 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,468
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,469
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I configure a server with kubernetes, and turn things on and off and restart them. Sometimes I go into an office to advise people on how to make changes to that server.
I configure a server with kubernetes, and turn things on and off and restart them. Sometimes I go into an office to advise people on how to make changes to that server.
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 30 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,470
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 26 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,471
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 42 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,472
@previous (E)
Why do you have an arrogant attitude then? I’ve done things that are way harder than that.
Why do you have an arrogant attitude then? I’ve done things that are way harder than that.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 31 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,473
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 4 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,474
You named the easiest thing ever to be replaced.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 35 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,475
@1,451,473 (E)
Well why the hell are you talking about me being replaced for studying computer science when you do something that doesn’t even require a computer science degree that’s way easier to automate than coding is?
Well why the hell are you talking about me being replaced for studying computer science when you do something that doesn’t even require a computer science degree that’s way easier to automate than coding is?
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 25 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,476
@1,451,474 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
They could replace me, yes. I'm not going to go into debt to keep the job.
They could replace me, yes. I'm not going to go into debt to keep the job.
Anonymous E double-posted this 1 month ago, 45 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,477
@1,451,475 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You're taking out loans to learn something that just became obsolete.
No one saw this coming when I went to school.
You're taking out loans to learn something that just became obsolete.
No one saw this coming when I went to school.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 5 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,478
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,479
@1,451,477 (E)
> You're taking out loans to learn something that just became obsolete.
That’s a stupid way of looking at it. LLMs are computer science, I can take courses on machine learning as an undergraduate. I’ve gone to events for graduate students and at my university, they’re doing research on training AI models.
> You're taking out loans to learn something that just became obsolete.
That’s a stupid way of looking at it. LLMs are computer science, I can take courses on machine learning as an undergraduate. I’ve gone to events for graduate students and at my university, they’re doing research on training AI models.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 7 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,480
@1,451,478 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
No, because they haven't replaced me.
And at this point I'm up enough that I will never be poor.
No, because they haven't replaced me.
And at this point I'm up enough that I will never be poor.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 45 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,481
@previous (E)
You obviously don’t come from a well off background, if your family was wealthy, you wouldn’t have that attitude about college.
You obviously don’t come from a well off background, if your family was wealthy, you wouldn’t have that attitude about college.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 4 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,482
@1,451,479 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Telling me which academic field covers it is not the same as naming one way in which humans can perform better than a machine.
And if you can't, why would they pay so much for a dev?
Telling me which academic field covers it is not the same as naming one way in which humans can perform better than a machine.
And if you can't, why would they pay so much for a dev?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 43 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,483
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 second later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,484
@1,451,481 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Very wealthy people go to college for fun and relaxation. They could study whatever they wanted on their own, or hire a tutor, or delve right into the field without a degree.
Very wealthy people go to college for fun and relaxation. They could study whatever they wanted on their own, or hire a tutor, or delve right into the field without a degree.
Anonymous E double-posted this 1 month ago, 30 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,485
@1,451,483 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
It doesn't matter that humans made machines, that's still not one way in which a human can do something linguistically a machine cannot.
It doesn't matter that humans made machines, that's still not one way in which a human can do something linguistically a machine cannot.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 24 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,486
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 47 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,487
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 52 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,488
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,489
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 16 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,490
That’s not what computer science is.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 2 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,491
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,492
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,493
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 13 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,494
And I don’t mean using AI, I mean, have you ever actually written software yourself?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 15 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,495
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,496
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
C, Python, Go, Rust, Javascript, and many more.
Can you name one thing a human can do with language that goes beyond just prediction?
C, Python, Go, Rust, Javascript, and many more.
Can you name one thing a human can do with language that goes beyond just prediction?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 34 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,497
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,498
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 48 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,499
@previous (E)
Okay, so imagine one of your projects has a login page, when someone goes to create an account and the press the submit button, what happens?
Okay, so imagine one of your projects has a login page, when someone goes to create an account and the press the submit button, what happens?
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,500
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I hope you're learning more than how form submissions or api calls work at college.
I hope you're learning more than how form submissions or api calls work at college.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 37 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,501
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,502
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
What are you fishing for? Specific javascript functions, or trying to see if I use post or get?
I'm not playing along with the tangent, you were supposed to name one way a human can use language that "just autocomplete" can't.
What are you fishing for? Specific javascript functions, or trying to see if I use post or get?
I'm not playing along with the tangent, you were supposed to name one way a human can use language that "just autocomplete" can't.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 43 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,503
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,504
Is there a reason why you don’t want to answer?
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,505
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You won't answer mine, and I first asked you months ago.
You won't answer mine, and I first asked you months ago.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 35 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,506
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,507
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Yes, and I'll even help you get that button set up if you just do me a favor and tell me what I've asked for months.
Yes, and I'll even help you get that button set up if you just do me a favor and tell me what I've asked for months.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 month ago, 31 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,508
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 month ago, 51 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,509
I can help you. So when you click on the button something happens on your computer, then something gets sent to the server. Forget the server for now. What happens on your computer when you click submit?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,510
…you can give a one sentence answer
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 1 month ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,511
If you don’t answer I’m just going to assume you don’t know and that’s why you listed how many programming languages you’ve used to try and sound impressive when nobody who knows what they’re talking about does that…
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 40 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,512
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You've been avoiding the question every time for months.
I am happy to play along with your questions, but not endlessly, and not when you refuse to engage with mine.
And you ask a question to see if I can list something, and then decide listing something is proof I'm lying? That's not a real rubric, you change the rules as you go.
My standard was just list one meaningful way a human brain can make code that a bot can't, if it's super obvious that shouldn't be hard. But you've been completely stuck on that one for a long time now.
Asking me to say how I'd implement a button push is pointless if the moment I do you just declare that any answer doesn't prove anything.
You've been avoiding the question every time for months.
I am happy to play along with your questions, but not endlessly, and not when you refuse to engage with mine.
And you ask a question to see if I can list something, and then decide listing something is proof I'm lying? That's not a real rubric, you change the rules as you go.
My standard was just list one meaningful way a human brain can make code that a bot can't, if it's super obvious that shouldn't be hard. But you've been completely stuck on that one for a long time now.
Asking me to say how I'd implement a button push is pointless if the moment I do you just declare that any answer doesn't prove anything.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 2 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,451,521
