Topic: How come people can’t conceptualize time?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc started this discussion 3 weeks ago #136,512
How come people judge countries by their current status but fail to look backwards in time and see how recently it was different?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc (OP) double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later[^] [v] #1,449,099
I’m just saying, it’s weird people make biological determinist or cultural determinist arguments when culture and biology are relatively static but the power of nations has never been static.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc (OP) triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,100
You can very easily just google graphs and realize this.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc (OP) quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,101
Then obviously, the number of people in a society determines how powerful it is possible for that society to be. A country with 100 million people can obviously out produce a country with 1 million people. And the population of the continents are different, but that isn’t static either.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc (OP) quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,102
Even in terms of automation, people need to invent automation, which requires a large population.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc (OP) sextuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,103
Even the ethnic makeup of a country doesn’t stay the same over time.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc (OP) septuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,105
It’s just weird to me people act like things can’t change. Maybe they can change!
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc (OP) octuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,107
It’s also weird people think European dominance in the past is completely unrelated to this."They invented more stuff than black people."
But it has nothing to do with the fact there were more white people?
"They won more wars than Africans."
But it has nothing to do with the fact they had more people than Africa?
It’s all really freaking obvious if you just look at how things change over time. And it also become really freaking obvious that it’s not going to stay the way it is now until the end of time.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,110
Then people just assume "oh the future will be between China and the United States." It probably won’t, and that’s obvious if you look at population data.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 hours later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,133
Neither China nor India were hegemonic powers with military bases across the globe.
Also, being #1 for a thousand years when most people are serfs and nothing much changes is worth less than being #1 for the moment when electricity, flight, ai, and biotech are created. The US can gain a permanent hold on power with those techs, but that long reign of holding a large land empire of farms didn't mean much when modernity hit.
Also, being #1 for a thousand years when most people are serfs and nothing much changes is worth less than being #1 for the moment when electricity, flight, ai, and biotech are created. The US can gain a permanent hold on power with those techs, but that long reign of holding a large land empire of farms didn't mean much when modernity hit.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 35 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,136
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,137
@1,449,133 (C)
> Also, being #1 for a thousand years when most people are serfs and nothing much changes is worth less than being #1 for the moment when electricity, flight, ai, and biotech are created. The US can gain a permanent hold on power with those techs, but that long reign of holding a large land empire of farms didn't mean much when modernity hit.
Do I need to explain this to you?
> Also, being #1 for a thousand years when most people are serfs and nothing much changes is worth less than being #1 for the moment when electricity, flight, ai, and biotech are created. The US can gain a permanent hold on power with those techs, but that long reign of holding a large land empire of farms didn't mean much when modernity hit.
Do I need to explain this to you?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,138
AI is software. Software runs on computers. Computers require chips. Chips require EUV machines. EUV machines require mirrors.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 48 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,139
Zeiss is a German company that produces the world’s most precise mirrors.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 37 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,140
AMSL is a Dutch company that produces the EUV machines that produce computer chips that require mirrors that are only made by Zeiss.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc sextuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 39 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,141
Then, those machines made by ASML in the Netherlands get sold to TSMC in Taiwan. Where they make the computer chips.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc septuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 34 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,142
Then, those computer chips get sent to Foxconn in mainland China where iPhones are actually assembled.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc octuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,143
Then after all that’s done, your laptops and smartphones get sent back to the United States and Americans write software and train AI models to run on that software.
The issue is, this is a process that requires other countries and no one country has a monopoly on the entire supply chain, but if one country is missing the entire supply chain stops working. Meaning, no, this actually does not give the United States absolute power.
The issue is, this is a process that requires other countries and no one country has a monopoly on the entire supply chain, but if one country is missing the entire supply chain stops working. Meaning, no, this actually does not give the United States absolute power.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc nonuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,144
AI is cool though, but that’s not how it works.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc decuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,145
Then when you start looking into raw materials you realize there are random 3rd world countries that the entire tech supply chain just happens to rely on for some reason.Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc undecuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,146
Basically, the upshot is modern technology is so sophisticated no one nation has the resources or the expertise required to produce a smartphone from raw materials to finished product, including China and the United States.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc duodecuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,147
Which is actually why free trade and capitalism is kinda cool this is actually kind of amazing we came up with an economic system that convinces mortal enemies to work together to produce the world’s most sophisticated technology.
Anonymous C replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,157
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Capitalism isn't a synonym for trade.
A true monarchy, a socialist state, and a theocracy could all trade and build interdependent supply chains without any capitalist state involved.
You don't need a capitalist class to rule to have capital, trade, or a currency.
Capitalism isn't a synonym for trade.
A true monarchy, a socialist state, and a theocracy could all trade and build interdependent supply chains without any capitalist state involved.
You don't need a capitalist class to rule to have capital, trade, or a currency.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 15 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,268
@previous (C)
Are you left wing or right wing? I just assumed you were right wing but your view of capitalism sounds borderline Marxist since you think capitalism requires a "capitalist class."
Are you left wing or right wing? I just assumed you were right wing but your view of capitalism sounds borderline Marxist since you think capitalism requires a "capitalist class."
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,269
I think you’re also getting some things mixed up. A theocracy can be capitalist and a monarchy can also be capitalist.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,270
I think in the past there was this idea that capitalism was a form of liberation from rigid hierarchical feudal structures. So naturally it was just assumed to be a given that democracy and capitalism align, which is maybe where you’re coming from. But autocracy is entirely compatible with capitalism.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,271
And I’m not saying capitalism is good or bad, it’s neither, it just is. I’m just saying, there are different forms of capitalism, but it’s hard to think of many countries in the modern world that isn’t some type of capitalist in practice. There essentially is no alternative system.
Anonymous E quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,272
Tbh the real issue of why centrally planned economies don’t work is intelligence. Don’t think about that too hard.
@1,449,133 (C)
> Neither China nor India were hegemonic powers with military bases across the globe.
>
> Also, being #1 for a thousand years when most people are serfs and nothing much changes is worth less than being #1 for the moment when electricity, flight, ai, and biotech are created. The US can gain a permanent hold on power with those techs, but that long reign of holding a large land empire of farms didn't mean much when modernity hit.
Really, don’t think about this too hard.
@1,449,133 (C)
> Neither China nor India were hegemonic powers with military bases across the globe.
>
> Also, being #1 for a thousand years when most people are serfs and nothing much changes is worth less than being #1 for the moment when electricity, flight, ai, and biotech are created. The US can gain a permanent hold on power with those techs, but that long reign of holding a large land empire of farms didn't mean much when modernity hit.
Really, don’t think about this too hard.
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 26 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,449,273
What are you gibbering on about now?