Topic: When did violence become taboo?
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 hour ago #136,411
All throughout history, people from every continent have used violence as a way to settle disputes and resolve issues. Why is it now that violence is no longer seen as a tool to move towards a better world? We need to make violence trendy again
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 1 hour ago, 6 minutes later[^] [v] #1,447,999
It was a natural cycle of civilization. If you didn't like somebody, you just killed them and society would eventually reach an equilibrium. If we can't kill people, issues can never be fixed. It's not only a natural God given right to be able to kill others, it's your duty to your fellow man.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 57 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,000
I’m pretty sure it was always bad, the issue is that when you have a government, any government has a hierarchy where everybody is held accountable by somebody above them, except for the one guy at the top. Then it becomes more about keeping that guy in power which might involve the use of force against the citizenry if they revolt. Which is why democracy, term limits, checks and balances, protection for freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and international law are all important.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 hour ago, 28 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,001
If you think about it, democracies almost never invade other democracies.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,002
Although, freedom of speech as in freedom to criticize the government specifically. It is possible to maintain a democratic system with some restrictions on speech.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 1 hour ago, 3 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,003
Although, violence can be justified in some cases. But it’s always a line to be drawn. Like World War Two for example, killing Nazis is probably a good thing. Firebombing Dresden, a bit more controversial.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quintuple-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,004
Like sure, the SS was rounding up Jews so they had to hide. But you’re really going to burn down the entire city including any Jews hiding in there? Interesting.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 hour ago, 3 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,006
@1,448,000 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Of course nobody wants to see violence but it's necessary. Imagine how much you could improve the lives of millions just by killing a couple hundred or a couple thousand people who need to be killed.
> Oh but think of their families
I hate to break it to you but if killing your family member helps the greater good then he's gotta go.
Of course nobody wants to see violence but it's necessary. Imagine how much you could improve the lives of millions just by killing a couple hundred or a couple thousand people who need to be killed.
> Oh but think of their families
I hate to break it to you but if killing your family member helps the greater good then he's gotta go.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 hour ago, 2 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,007
@previous (A)So, there are some countries where maybe that’s the case like North Korea or something (for the sake of argument). The issue with revolution is, you remember what happened to Prigozhin? If you’re going to try and get rid of powerful people, you really, really, can’t mess up.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 hour ago, 2 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,008
Especially in wealthy countries that have established intelligence agencies. There are some governments you really can’t meaningfully oppose if they decide that you’re a problem regardless of where you are in the world.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 hour ago, 27 seconds later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,009
@1,448,007 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
When you embrace violence as the ancients did, you acknowledge violence can in turn be used against you and this knowledge gives meaning to your life because you might not be here tomorrow. We need more violence in our lives, our thoughts, and our hearts
When you embrace violence as the ancients did, you acknowledge violence can in turn be used against you and this knowledge gives meaning to your life because you might not be here tomorrow. We need more violence in our lives, our thoughts, and our hearts
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 hour ago, 2 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,010
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 hour ago, 47 seconds later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,011
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 1 hour ago, 17 seconds later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,012
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 hour ago, 1 second later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,013
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,015
@1,448,013 (A)Well I’m Catholic. Everything in Catholicism that sounds bad is metaphorical these days. But basically after we die unless we did absolutely nothing wrong we will have to pay for our sins by burning in metaphorical fire in purgatory and then maybe we get to go to heaven later.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,016
Basically the idea behind the metaphorical fire is you’re not literally on fire, you’re just suffering.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 hour ago, 44 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,017
@1,448,015 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Much violence has been committed in the name of Catholicism. Deus vult anon
Much violence has been committed in the name of Catholicism. Deus vult anon
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 1 hour ago, 22 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,018
And the only two humans born without sin are supposed to be Mary and Jesus everybody else is born with original sin so you have sinned even if you did nothing wrong.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 1 hour ago, 17 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,019
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 1 hour ago, 2 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,021
Anyway, I’m not saying I’m never going to do the flame thing, I’m just saying I’m gonna do it later.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 52 minutes ago, 16 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,022
Honestly, I do like being alive though. I feel like life has purpose.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quintuple-posted this 45 minutes ago, 7 minutes later, 59 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,023
This is a tangent but I feel like there’s been an attempt to make Catholicism less harsh over time. Like views on suicide for example, it used to be that suicide was considered to be unforgivable because you can confess the sin of murder to a priest while you’re alive but you can’t confess the sin of suicide so it’s unforgivable meaning the belief was if you killed yourself you would go to hell. But then they changed it so now suicide is bad but forgivable. So they’re against assisted suicide, but if you do kill yourself you can still go to heaven. I was just thinking about it with the whole idea of "metaphorical" fire in hell and in purgatory as opposed to literal fire. It’s interesting…
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc sextuple-posted this 43 minutes ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,024
Idk, it’s like there’s a focus on suffering. That suffering has purpose and you’re meant to suffer and Jesus suffered for us as a sacrifice for our sins, and that we will become morally pure through suffering. Which is interesting, because there’s this atheistic idea that suffering is fundamentally bad and should always be avoided.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 30 minutes ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,028
There’s actually an interesting history associated with the idea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 29 minutes ago, 57 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,029
@1,448,015 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
> Everything in Catholicism that sounds bad is metaphorical these days.
Is the child abuse, and the systematic cover up from church leadership also metephorical?
> Everything in Catholicism that sounds bad is metaphorical these days.
Is the child abuse, and the systematic cover up from church leadership also metephorical?
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 23 minutes ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,031
Anonymous D replied with this 21 minutes ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,032
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I guess it's better to be groped surrounded by grand and ornate architecture?
I guess it's better to be groped surrounded by grand and ornate architecture?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 20 minutes ago, 21 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,033
Anyway, I guess we’re going to find out.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 20 minutes ago, 27 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,034
The only thing that’s promised to us is death.
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@previous (Ben)
The highways don’t build themselves. We all have to do our part to make Earth uninhabitable.
The highways don’t build themselves. We all have to do our part to make Earth uninhabitable.
Ben replied with this 4 minutes ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,040
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)Were I a Roman Catholic, perhaps I should on this occasion vow to build a chapel to some saint, but as I am not, if I were to vow at all, it should be to build an illegal clone.