Topic: The U.S. government is playing a dangerous game
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 hour ago#136,386
one it's very likely to lose. I don't know where this confidence comes from, this sense of being untouchable, but the belief that they attacking a country unprovoked or antagonize vulnerable communities and people across various immigration statuses without consequence is badly misplaced.
an assumption that these people bearing the cost won't have the power, the platform, or the will to push back. That assumption has been wrong before.
At some point the jokes and the memes will stop being funny. the talking and debating will grow old and the cases of the people who had their families separated or outright murdered will seek retribution via the 2A.
There are many ways to end this current shitty arc.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 4 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,447,593
I liked Obama’s method. He told governors to deport based on incarcerated illegals. Cleared out +300,000 in a couple years.
A couple of methods USG should do: Create a nationwide database of I-9s. Employers hold them but they’re not registered centrally. Start prosecuting employers and landlords who house illegals.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 hour ago, 3 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,447,596
@previous (D)
I liked his method because he actually went after those are who actually incarcerated and had no intention of reforming. You know a time when folks were capable of discernment and can tell difference between a guy whose working, minding his business and taking care of his family and a thug who commits crimes and doesn't give a fuck about the law.
Now its just lazy performative chudslop to assume" all criminals therefore deport!". sure lets deport the people who work and contribute just because.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 57 minutes ago, 9 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,447,598
@1,447,593 (D)
Also disagree with that solution for numerous reasons:
I-9s are filled out by employers and employees with self-reported info. Centralizing millions of forms means centralizing whatever errors, typos, and inconsistencies already exist in them.
The USG already runs E-Verify, which cross-checks I-9 info against SSA and DHS databases. It has documented false-positive rates cases where authorized workers get flagged as ineligible due to name mismatches ( which is common with hyphenated names, recent marriages, translation/transliteration issues), clerical errors, or database lag.
Doing a mandatory nationwide database built on I-9s would inherit these same problems at scale.
A single centralized database of nearly every worker's identity documents is a massive target for data breaches and identity theft.
also Landlords aren't equipped to verify immigration status, and in many cases aren't legally allowed to ask (fair housing laws restrict what documentation a landlord can demand, partly to prevent discrimination.)
This risks discrimination by proxy: if landlords fear liability, the documented result from similar policies tried at the state/local level is landlords becoming reluctant to rent to anyone who "looks foreign," speaks with an accent, or has a non-English name including U.S. citizens and legal residents. That's a civil rights problem, not just an enforcement one.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 44 minutes ago, 9 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,447,601
@previous (B)
yeah I dont actually. Last I checked could've sworn that The 5A and 14A says "no person" shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process".
Someone can't simply be deported on the spot with no process at all. There's generally a right to a hearing before an immigration judge, a chance to contest the government's claim that they're removable, and (in many cases) a chance to apply for relief like asylum.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 40 minutes ago, 3 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,447,602
@1,447,599 (B)
Look its much faster if you just admit you dont care about the laws or the constitution. You just dont want people who dont look or sound like you here because its easier and faster to deport everyone than to practice the laws, due process and just in general offload thinking.
I can see why trump says he loves stupid people. it makes sense.
Anonymous B replied with this 22 minutes ago, 18 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,447,605
@1,447,601 (A)
So first you said they're a criminal "somehow" like you didn't know.
And then when I ask what that means, you start talking about them not getting due process.
That doesn't answer the question at all, it avoids it. Even if they were being deprived of due process, that doesn't suddenly mean they aren't criminals.
> "somehow"? Like you don't know, lol. > And then when I ask what that means, you start talking about them not getting due process.
You never asked what that mean.
> That doesn't answer the question at all, it avoids it. Even if they were being deprived of due process, that doesn't suddenly mean they aren't criminals.
again what is the question? because you asked one question and it was about borders.
> Every other country can have a border, just not the US? Fuck off
this is the only question you've asked and I answered it right away.