Topic: Was Aristotle redpilled?
Anonymous A started this discussion 4 weeks ago #136,382
Women should marry when they are about eighteen years of age, and men at seven and thirty; then they are in the prime of life, and the decline in the powers of both will coincide.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 4 weeks ago, 33 minutes later[^] [v] #1,447,552
Apparently. Just like Schopenhauer.
The great thing about May-December marriages is that by the time the woman hits menopause the guy is probably dick dead or content with the quarterly sex schedule, if there’s any to be had at all.
Ever notice how every famous guy married to an older famous woman divorces her when she hits mid-50s?
The great thing about May-December marriages is that by the time the woman hits menopause the guy is probably dick dead or content with the quarterly sex schedule, if there’s any to be had at all.
Ever notice how every famous guy married to an older famous woman divorces her when she hits mid-50s?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 4 weeks ago, 12 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,572
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 4 weeks ago, 21 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,577
It is only possible he was red potioned
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 6 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,627
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,651
From book 7 part 7 of Politics by Aristotle:
Those who live in a cold climate and in Europe are full of spirit, but wanting in intelligence and skill; and therefore they retain comparative freedom, but have no political organization, and are incapable of ruling over others. Whereas the natives of Asia are intelligent and inventive, but they are wanting in spirit, and therefore they are always in a state of subjection and slavery. But the Hellenic race, which is situated between them, is likewise intermediate in character, being high-spirited and also intelligent. Hence it continues free, and is the best-governed of any nation, and, if it could be formed into one state, would be able to rule the world.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,652
He was racist, he was just one of those old fashioned racists who thought Northern Europeans were stupid. He had that old Greco-Roman racist in him.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 35 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,661
@1,447,651 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Not surprising, but this was also before those countries began excelling.
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Not surprising, but this was also before those countries began excelling.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,665
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,667
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Then there's nothing wrong on the face of it, he probably made that observation in good faith.
The northern countries changed since then, but men and women retained their innate differences.
Then there's nothing wrong on the face of it, he probably made that observation in good faith.
The northern countries changed since then, but men and women retained their innate differences.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,669
In the ancient world, Africa had this:Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 17 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,670
Rome had this:Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 4 weeks ago, 18 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,671
Greece had this:Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 4 weeks ago, 50 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,672
Northern Europe tho…
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 4 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,738
@1,447,652 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
> He was racist, he was just one of those old fashioned racists who thought Northern Europeans were stupid. He had that old Greco-Roman racist in him.
There was no concept of race equivalent to what emerged in the late 1700s.
> He was racist, he was just one of those old fashioned racists who thought Northern Europeans were stupid. He had that old Greco-Roman racist in him.
There was no concept of race equivalent to what emerged in the late 1700s.
(Edited 21 seconds later.)
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,746
@previous (F)
That’s true. It’s still kinda funny though. People act like modern racism existed forever, but it really is pretty recent in the grand scheme of things.
That’s true. It’s still kinda funny though. People act like modern racism existed forever, but it really is pretty recent in the grand scheme of things.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,747
I mean, even in the west, different western countries came up with different racial hierarchies. In the United States under Jim Crow I would be considered black, in South Africa under apartheid I wouldn’t have been considered black because I’m half white. It’s all a bunch of arbitrary nonsense.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 19 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,779
@1,447,746 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Does anyone actually say that, or do you just act like they said it?
Does anyone actually say that, or do you just act like they said it?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 25 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,802
@previous (A)
If a racist ever realized that racial hierarchies are social constructs and not facts of nature then they would have to grapple with the fact their ideology is based on a falsehood. Some people are evil though so such things don’t concern them.
If a racist ever realized that racial hierarchies are social constructs and not facts of nature then they would have to grapple with the fact their ideology is based on a falsehood. Some people are evil though so such things don’t concern them.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,813
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
"Some people are evil" doesn't sound very scientific.
It sounds like tribalistic rhetoric.
I don't think it was just the hate and violence that the left projects, but obsession with race too.
"Some people are evil" doesn't sound very scientific.
It sounds like tribalistic rhetoric.
I don't think it was just the hate and violence that the left projects, but obsession with race too.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,815
@previous (A)
Oh, well if nobody is evil, then I guess the left isn’t evil either, so there’s nothing to worry about.
Oh, well if nobody is evil, then I guess the left isn’t evil either, so there’s nothing to worry about.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,817
(Notice how you think being against racism makes you left wing implying you think being right wing is synonymous with being a racist.)
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 11 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,818
@1,447,815 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
The left is ideologically disfinctional.
There are contradictions between core beliefs, and instead of reconciling those, they get angry at anyone who triggers the cognitive dissonance.
The left is ideologically disfinctional.
There are contradictions between core beliefs, and instead of reconciling those, they get angry at anyone who triggers the cognitive dissonance.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 36 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,819
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 2 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,820
@1,447,817 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
There are real genetic differences between groups of humans, just as there are with groups of dogs.
There are real genetic differences between groups of humans, just as there are with groups of dogs.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 43 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,821
Why do you think I’m left wing in the first place? Because I don’t like racism? Have you ever considered it’s because I’m a normal person who doesn’t have an emotional need to belittle others for no reason to feel good about myself because I’m not a piece of shit like you?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 11 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,822
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 36 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,823
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 39 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,824
@1,447,821 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Telling the truth isn't a personal attack, you're a narcissist who's controlled by pride.
If you could get over that you could easily reconcile all the errors in your ideology.
But it probably seems simpler to say you don't have one, and take this post as another personal attack.
Telling the truth isn't a personal attack, you're a narcissist who's controlled by pride.
If you could get over that you could easily reconcile all the errors in your ideology.
But it probably seems simpler to say you don't have one, and take this post as another personal attack.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,825
@1,447,823 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I'm not a mind reader, but you have some core idea, beliefs, or values. You've said as much already.
At this point you're just denying it because you didn't know the definition before, and you're stubbornly sticking to that.
I'm not a mind reader, but you have some core idea, beliefs, or values. You've said as much already.
At this point you're just denying it because you didn't know the definition before, and you're stubbornly sticking to that.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 3 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,826
@1,447,824 (A)
I’m not attacking you I’m calling you retarded because you say stuff that’s retarded all the time. The same way you say you can call women delusional and that doesn’t mean you hate women and you can call blacks low IQ and that doesn’t mean you hate blacks, I can call you a retard and say the world would be better without you, and I’m morally good because it’s the truth.
I’m not attacking you I’m calling you retarded because you say stuff that’s retarded all the time. The same way you say you can call women delusional and that doesn’t mean you hate women and you can call blacks low IQ and that doesn’t mean you hate blacks, I can call you a retard and say the world would be better without you, and I’m morally good because it’s the truth.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 29 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,827
@1,447,825 (A)
> I'm not a mind reader, but you have some core idea, beliefs, or values. You've said as much already.
No I’ve actually said the opposite.
> I'm not a mind reader, but you have some core idea, beliefs, or values. You've said as much already.
No I’ve actually said the opposite.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 52 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,828
@1,447,826 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
So you're still taking it as a personal attack, and avoiding the fact that you already admitted you have beliefs and values.
So you're still taking it as a personal attack, and avoiding the fact that you already admitted you have beliefs and values.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 20 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,829
You should stop being emotional and accusing me of attacking you. I’m not attacking you, I’m just telling you the truth you need to hear.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 22 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,830
@1,447,828 (A)
Well I’m not attacking you regardless by calling you retarded, it’s just a matter of fact sort of thing.
Well I’m not attacking you regardless by calling you retarded, it’s just a matter of fact sort of thing.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 40 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,831
@1,447,827 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You said you believe in the scientific method, but also that the universe is infinite, and that you're a catholic.
You checked all the boxes for an ideology. If this doesn't count, nobody has an ideology.
Stubbornly denying it with no explanation is clearly you trying to cope with the fact that you didn't know the definition before.
You said you believe in the scientific method, but also that the universe is infinite, and that you're a catholic.
You checked all the boxes for an ideology. If this doesn't count, nobody has an ideology.
Stubbornly denying it with no explanation is clearly you trying to cope with the fact that you didn't know the definition before.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 51 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,832
@1,447,829 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
@1,447,830 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
So you won't engage with the arguments?
All ad hominem stuff?
@1,447,830 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
So you won't engage with the arguments?
All ad hominem stuff?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 19 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,833
@1,447,831 (A)
I am a Catholic. What does that have to do with ideology? You can be a Catholic and be left wing or right wing, it’s a religion, it’s not an ideology in the sense you’re thinking of it.
I am a Catholic. What does that have to do with ideology? You can be a Catholic and be left wing or right wing, it’s a religion, it’s not an ideology in the sense you’re thinking of it.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,834
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,838
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
How you decide what the best choice is, is your ideology.
If you defer to scientific research to make a decision about a medical procedure like a vaccine, you are using ideology to make a decision.
If you use faith to decide sacraments matter, you acted based on ideology.
Everyone "makes decisions based on what they think is best", and HOW they do that is their ideology.
How you decide what the best choice is, is your ideology.
If you defer to scientific research to make a decision about a medical procedure like a vaccine, you are using ideology to make a decision.
If you use faith to decide sacraments matter, you acted based on ideology.
Everyone "makes decisions based on what they think is best", and HOW they do that is their ideology.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,840
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 49 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,841
What if I’m sitting down, and I glance over at the wall over to the left. Why did I do that? What core beliefs guided that? Your belief in ideology is absurd.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 4 weeks ago, 38 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,842
The thing is right, we’re humans. We can do things for absolutely no reason.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,843
@1,447,840 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
@1,447,841 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
That's not what I said. I said how people make decisions, not every physical movement.
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You said you followed science, which isn't doing things for no reason.
If you have reasons, and beliefs, you have an ideology.
@1,447,841 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
That's not what I said. I said how people make decisions, not every physical movement.
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
You said you followed science, which isn't doing things for no reason.
If you have reasons, and beliefs, you have an ideology.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 38 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,844
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,845
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
If you don't automatically understand the difference between that and a conscious decision where you consider your belief system, I'm not going to help.
If you don't automatically understand the difference between that and a conscious decision where you consider your belief system, I'm not going to help.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 4 weeks ago, 14 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,846
My problem with the way you think is it’s too rigid. You can make decisions without hearing words in your head. You don’t actually need that voice in order to think.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,848
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
I'm not saying you do.
This is just you endlessly running away from the fact that you do have an ideology, because there are ideas you base your conscious decisions off of, even if you don't use them for every twitch your muscles go through.
As always, pride gets in the way, and you think you have gained something by refusing to admit it.
Bye, nigga.
I'm not saying you do.
This is just you endlessly running away from the fact that you do have an ideology, because there are ideas you base your conscious decisions off of, even if you don't use them for every twitch your muscles go through.
As always, pride gets in the way, and you think you have gained something by refusing to admit it.
Bye, nigga.
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Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,850
For real though, the way you think about things is stupid. Maybe in a politics class "everybody makes decisions based on ideology" ask any normal person why they made some decision and they’ll almost never bring up their religious or political beliefs because that’s not how normal people actually think. It’s an incorrect assertion that most people have a set of core values they make decisions based on. Most people actually don’t.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 4 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,851
And I’m serious, ask a parent why they had children, "God wanted me to" and "I think my country needs more workers" aren’t going to be common answers. Ask somebody why they got married to somebody else, ask somebody why they decided on a certain career path, etc. Most people’s decisions aren’t guided by values and their actions will contradict their stated values because they don’t actually consider them.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,852
@1,447,850 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Those same people will insist marketing doesn't affect them, but a few smiling faces in a nonsense commercial will increase sales.
There are ideologies programmed into everyone, certain stimuli prime apes to react in certain ways. Some ideas are stickier than others.
People trained to detect and react, not just in specific skills, but in how they interact with others.
You repeat the same slogans and mistakes as the other leftists, but you will never be able to reconcile the contradictions which is why you need to have a justification for that: a rejection of logical consistency, and consequentially a rejection of the second-order which has you rejecting the material reality of ideology.
Your neurons can be rearranged with important consequences, just the same as the bits in memory in a robot.
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Those same people will insist marketing doesn't affect them, but a few smiling faces in a nonsense commercial will increase sales.
There are ideologies programmed into everyone, certain stimuli prime apes to react in certain ways. Some ideas are stickier than others.
People trained to detect and react, not just in specific skills, but in how they interact with others.
You repeat the same slogans and mistakes as the other leftists, but you will never be able to reconcile the contradictions which is why you need to have a justification for that: a rejection of logical consistency, and consequentially a rejection of the second-order which has you rejecting the material reality of ideology.
Your neurons can be rearranged with important consequences, just the same as the bits in memory in a robot.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 4 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,858
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So basically, what you’re saying is you’re easily indoctrinated by political propaganda.
So basically, what you’re saying is you’re easily indoctrinated by political propaganda.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 4 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,859
I also don’t get why you keep calling me a leftist when I’ve never actually called myself a leftist. Not being racist doesn’t make you a leftist, that’s not how it works.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 4 weeks ago, 17 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,860
…or at least that’s not how it works if you’re not a Nazi.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 weeks ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,898
@1,447,858 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
No, saying that everyone has some ideas they act on isn't the same thing as saying one person is easily influenced by propaganda.
Do you think bad reading comprehension is clever?
No, saying that everyone has some ideas they act on isn't the same thing as saying one person is easily influenced by propaganda.
Do you think bad reading comprehension is clever?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,447,953
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I’m just noticing you pretend you’re talking about everybody or some hypothetical person when you’re actually talking about yourself.
I’m just noticing you pretend you’re talking about everybody or some hypothetical person when you’re actually talking about yourself.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 7 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,448,030
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
Do you understand the difference between refuting what someone said and just saying "no u"?
Do you understand the difference between refuting what someone said and just saying "no u"?
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Greeks are men!