Topic: On the topic of a United Worldwide Christianity
Anonymous A started this discussion 3 weeks ago #136,224
Here I present an assortment of quotes I believe relate to the current shift in western spirituality:
> For not only humanism but the Christianity of the West bases reason upon pleasure, upon pleasure postponed and purified but analogous in kind to worldly pleasure.
> To the mature Augustine, the petty theft of his youth is horrifying not only because it seems to have been a sin committed solely for the sake of sinning, but because, in having no conceivable pleasure in view it was a sort of negative transcendence-in effect, a negation- of his humanity...Augustine's puzzling sin is the paradigm of the modern spiritual enterprise, and in his reprobation of it is to be found the reason why Dostoevsky contemned and hated the Christianity of the West, which he denounced as in effect a vulgar humanism.
> Now and then it must occur to us that the life of competition for spiritual status is not without its sortedness and absurdity. But how else are we to live?
One has to wonder if the collapse of consumer electronics markets due to AI is a sign of the changing political and cultural landscape to come. A shift away from mass consumption and the idolization of pleasure and towards something much more akin to feudalism. What changes in spirituality might accompany such a new world order in an effort to justify its existence. Would a total unification of the church be possible? Would the people accept it?
> For not only humanism but the Christianity of the West bases reason upon pleasure, upon pleasure postponed and purified but analogous in kind to worldly pleasure.
> To the mature Augustine, the petty theft of his youth is horrifying not only because it seems to have been a sin committed solely for the sake of sinning, but because, in having no conceivable pleasure in view it was a sort of negative transcendence-in effect, a negation- of his humanity...Augustine's puzzling sin is the paradigm of the modern spiritual enterprise, and in his reprobation of it is to be found the reason why Dostoevsky contemned and hated the Christianity of the West, which he denounced as in effect a vulgar humanism.
> Now and then it must occur to us that the life of competition for spiritual status is not without its sortedness and absurdity. But how else are we to live?
One has to wonder if the collapse of consumer electronics markets due to AI is a sign of the changing political and cultural landscape to come. A shift away from mass consumption and the idolization of pleasure and towards something much more akin to feudalism. What changes in spirituality might accompany such a new world order in an effort to justify its existence. Would a total unification of the church be possible? Would the people accept it?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #1,446,024
I know this probably won't get replies because it's not about penises but I figured I'd post because it potentially relates to the discussion on whether trump will assassinate the pope which seemed to be something of great interest on this site.
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,025
Oh and yes that's a typo in the OP. It should be "Sordidness" not "sortedness" lol damn speak to text.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 21 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,026
@OP
> Here I present an assortment of quotes I believe relate to the current shift in western spirituality:
>
> >For not only humanism but the Christianity of the West bases reason upon pleasure, upon pleasure postponed and purified but analogous in kind to worldly pleasure.
> >To the mature Augustine, the petty theft of his youth is horrifying not only because it seems to have been a sin committed solely for the sake of sinning, but because, in having no conceivable pleasure in view it was a sort of negative transcendence-in effect, a negation- of his humanity...Augustine's puzzling sin is the paradigm of the modern spiritual enterprise, and in his reprobation of it is to be found the reason why Dostoevsky contemned and hated the Christianity of the West, which he denounced as in effect a vulgar humanism.
> >Now and then it must occur to us that the life of competition for spiritual status is not without its sortedness and absurdity. But how else are we to live?
>
> Would the people accept it?
At NO time in the history of the planet; has rejection of technology worked.
> Here I present an assortment of quotes I believe relate to the current shift in western spirituality:
>
> >For not only humanism but the Christianity of the West bases reason upon pleasure, upon pleasure postponed and purified but analogous in kind to worldly pleasure.
> >To the mature Augustine, the petty theft of his youth is horrifying not only because it seems to have been a sin committed solely for the sake of sinning, but because, in having no conceivable pleasure in view it was a sort of negative transcendence-in effect, a negation- of his humanity...Augustine's puzzling sin is the paradigm of the modern spiritual enterprise, and in his reprobation of it is to be found the reason why Dostoevsky contemned and hated the Christianity of the West, which he denounced as in effect a vulgar humanism.
> >Now and then it must occur to us that the life of competition for spiritual status is not without its sortedness and absurdity. But how else are we to live?
>
> Would the people accept it?
At NO time in the history of the planet; has rejection of technology worked.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 8 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,027
@previous (B)
On the contrary, I think technology would be central to the shift back towards feudalism. It's much easier to control people in an AI surveillance police state.
On the contrary, I think technology would be central to the shift back towards feudalism. It's much easier to control people in an AI surveillance police state.
Anonymous B replied with this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,028
@previous (A)
Rejection of technology will NEVER happen. Imagine rejection of the horseless carriage. Forced to use horses as transportation TODAY.
Rejection of technology will NEVER happen. Imagine rejection of the horseless carriage. Forced to use horses as transportation TODAY.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,029
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 55 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,030
Also Mackinac island, it’s actually illegal to own cars and there’s horse poop everywhere.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,031
@1,446,028 (B)
I think you're conflating technology with the pursuit of pleasure or probably just shitposting to troll which is more likely. Probably got set off by the mention of AI in the OP. Predictable and sad
I think you're conflating technology with the pursuit of pleasure or probably just shitposting to troll which is more likely. Probably got set off by the mention of AI in the OP. Predictable and sad
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,032
Does Christianity really conflict with technology though? I think if you get out of the idea that the Bible was literally written by God himself as opposed to just written by people who are prone to human error and you focus on the moral lessons rather than interpreting literally everything at face value, it’s easier to defend. Like when Jesus said that it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, can we really disagree with that? I’m just saying…
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,033
Anyway, that’s just my opinion…
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Anonymous B replied with this 3 weeks ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,036
@1,446,029 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
> The Amish have been doing it for years…
So, after a review with wikipedia - Total US population 404,000 people and a strongly growing population. Birth control is forbidden including condoms.
OK given a small % of US population gets along without technology.
Not sure what Christianity has to do with AI. Sex robots will use AI and the church may forbid marriage to a sex robot. Then again for people to believe in Jesus, they have to believe in Ghosts.
Oh and the planet still is based on Penis power. Population paste can only be...Enough said about the Penis for now. Some passage in the bible about spilling the paste, so as to not make pregnant the sister in law.
> The Amish have been doing it for years…
So, after a review with wikipedia - Total US population 404,000 people and a strongly growing population. Birth control is forbidden including condoms.
OK given a small % of US population gets along without technology.
Not sure what Christianity has to do with AI. Sex robots will use AI and the church may forbid marriage to a sex robot. Then again for people to believe in Jesus, they have to believe in Ghosts.
Oh and the planet still is based on Penis power. Population paste can only be...Enough said about the Penis for now. Some passage in the bible about spilling the paste, so as to not make pregnant the sister in law.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,037
@previous (B)
I don’t think that believing in Jesus requires believing in ghosts. Technically it’s possible to be an atheist and believe in Jesus since Jesus was a human. It’s completely possible he was a real guy back in the day. Whether people believe he’s God or not determines whether they’re a believer in Christianity. I think you’re thinking of the Holy Spirit which some Protestants call the Holy Ghost, although the Holy Spirit is God, it’s not like a ghost wandering around, it just mean a spirit like a soul.
I don’t think that believing in Jesus requires believing in ghosts. Technically it’s possible to be an atheist and believe in Jesus since Jesus was a human. It’s completely possible he was a real guy back in the day. Whether people believe he’s God or not determines whether they’re a believer in Christianity. I think you’re thinking of the Holy Spirit which some Protestants call the Holy Ghost, although the Holy Spirit is God, it’s not like a ghost wandering around, it just mean a spirit like a soul.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,038
I guess "believing in Jesus" can mean two different things, it can either mean you think he was a real person or it could mean you’re a Christian. For example, all Muslims believe in Jesus in that they think he was a real person and they think he was a prophet sent by God, but they’re not Christians because they don’t think Jesus is God.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,039
Some atheists say Jesus wasn’t a real person, but I don’t think it’s really possible to prove that he didn’t exist and given that people who knew Jesus during his lifetime definitely did exist and we know that because they did things, I think it’s much more probable that Jesus was actually a real person. For example, the Vatican is in Rome because St. Peter traveled to Rome to establish the Catholic Church there, and Peter was one of the apostles of Jesus who knew him during his lifetime and according to the Bible was directed by Jesus to build the church. Or even other religions, I’m not a Muslim but I’m pretty sure Muhammad was a real person, because it would be kind of hard to explain where all his children came from if he wasn’t.
Anonymous B replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,040
@1,446,037 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc)
What is a Holy Ghost?
The Holy Ghost is the third member of the Godhead. He is a personage of spirit, without a body of flesh and bones. He is often referred to as the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, or the Comforter.
One could lookup how to define a Ghost. Seems to me one Ghost is Holy while other ghosts are not.
What is a Holy Ghost?
The Holy Ghost is the third member of the Godhead. He is a personage of spirit, without a body of flesh and bones. He is often referred to as the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, or the Comforter.
One could lookup how to define a Ghost. Seems to me one Ghost is Holy while other ghosts are not.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,041
@previous (B)
A spirit and a ghost like the type you associate with Halloween aren’t necessarily the same thing. In Christianity, there’s understood to be a separation between this world and the next. At least in Catholicism I’ve heard Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory described more as separate dimensions, they’re not places you can get to by looking for them somewhere in this existence, you have you leave this reality through death.
A spirit and a ghost like the type you associate with Halloween aren’t necessarily the same thing. In Christianity, there’s understood to be a separation between this world and the next. At least in Catholicism I’ve heard Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory described more as separate dimensions, they’re not places you can get to by looking for them somewhere in this existence, you have you leave this reality through death.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,042
Like I don’t think most Christians believe that when you die you wander around on earth as a ghost.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,043
nigger thread
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 20 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,049
popeism*
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 13 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,057
Classic minichan thread. Derails entirely from the point of the OP.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 days later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,741
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,744
That's a lot of non sequiturs.
Christianity is essentially rapidly de-westernizing.
Think about it like the potato.
When you think about potato dishes nowadays you don't think Inca. Hell you probably don't even think South America.
You think Poland, Ireland, Friesland or Russia.
By the same token Christianity is heavily decoupling from the fates of Western societies.
As for unification, no. The cult of Santa Muerte for example isn't gonna vibe with the Moonies.
Hell. Intercession alone is such a monstrously contentious sticking point.
Christianity is essentially rapidly de-westernizing.
Think about it like the potato.
When you think about potato dishes nowadays you don't think Inca. Hell you probably don't even think South America.
You think Poland, Ireland, Friesland or Russia.
By the same token Christianity is heavily decoupling from the fates of Western societies.
As for unification, no. The cult of Santa Muerte for example isn't gonna vibe with the Moonies.
Hell. Intercession alone is such a monstrously contentious sticking point.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 12 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,790
@previous (G)
What are you talking about? There have always been Christians in Africa and Asia. The church isn’t disinterested in the west, the problem with the west is westerners aren’t attending church because of capitalism.
What are you talking about? There have always been Christians in Africa and Asia. The church isn’t disinterested in the west, the problem with the west is westerners aren’t attending church because of capitalism.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc double-posted this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,791
With the Catholic Church in particular, even if it’s not how non-Catholics see the church, the way the Catholic Church sees itself is as the one true and only legitimate form of Christianity and it sees Christianity as being the one true and only legitimate religion, and they view God as being the creator of the universe. They don’t see Christianity as being western, the word "Catholic" literally means universal. They see it as being the one true legitimate religion of the entire universe and everything in it. It would be dumb to say that a religion belongs to one culture, because if a religion belongs to one culture, then your god isn’t really a god, because that’s not what God is.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc triple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,792
Even the idea that it’s "Roman" it’s not Roman because it was founded in the city of Rome, it wasn’t, Peter traveled to Rome later after Jesus founded the church in Israel. The Romans executed Jesus, the point of it being Roman isn’t cultural supremacy, the point is that it’s crazy that a guy who was executed by an imperial state founded an organization that outlasted the state that executed him and operates from the capital of that empire. Because God is humble but the victory of the church belongs to God and not human efforts.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade !0JqexkOGBc quadruple-posted this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,446,793
It’s really a religion of the oppressed, but some white nationalists have tried to pervert the original message of Christianity because of narcissism. But Christianity isn’t supposed to be a "western" religion. It’s not not western but it doesn’t have to be culturally exclusive, that degrades the glory of God to pretend God didn’t create everything.