Topic: I think World War III is going to be boring
Mr. Bloody Lemonade started this discussion 3 weeks ago #135,979
Something I was thinking about the other day is how many weapons and vehicles were designed and built during World War II given that America was only in the war for 4 years. That’s a very short time to develop planes and then build thousands of them.
Then I realized: it’s because they were primitive.
Then I realized: it’s because they were primitive.
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F-35 engineMr. Bloody Lemonade (OP) triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 15 seconds later, 31 seconds after the original post[^] [v] #1,444,024
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I predict in WWIII we’re not going to invent anything, we’re just going to destroy what we already have because everything is dependent on global supply chains and our technology is way too complicated.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,444,027
Combat replacements would be next to impossible. There’s no way to build more F-22s. Plus modern fighter pilots take 2-4 years to train as opposed to 6-12 months for WWII. It would turn into a drone and autonomy war because it would be easier to rig that stuff and draft gamers to fly shit out of some trailer in Nevada. There would be cyber and space war and massive attacks on critical infrastructure, Internet shutdowns, and disinformation campaigns at global scale. All barring nukes, of course.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade (OP) replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,444,028
The level of precision required for modern jet engines is so much higher than what we produced in World War Two. They even have a screw shape where you pour the metal into the mold to manufacture a turbine blade so that as the metal cools from the top down only one crystal structure makes its way into the actual part so that the part is only made from one individual metallic crystal to make it as strong as possible.Mr. Bloody Lemonade (OP) double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,444,030
Even in modern liquid propellant rocket engines, the temperature of the exhaust exceeds the melting point of the metal that the engine is made out of so they have to make channels along the outside of the interior of the engine bell out of wax and then build up the exterior of the engine via electroplating and then melt the wax out so they can constantly pump cryogenic propellant through the engine bell before it enters the bell nozzle to cool the engine enough that it doesn’t melt. So ice can build up on the outside of the engine even though the exhaust is hot enough to melt metal.If we wanted to invent something better than that in the middle of a war without international supply chains…
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Of course you can also use ablative nozzles but that’s lame.
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Except that engine isn’t modern it’s from the 1970s, but you can’t tell because they haven’t progressed that much because humans are lame.
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I'm really hoping that there's bioweapons used
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Of course, somebody came up with the idea you could 3D print engines, but that’s slow.Anonymous B replied with this 3 weeks ago, 5 seconds later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,444,037
@1,444,030 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade)
> Even in modern liquid propellant rocket engines, the temperature of the exhaust exceeds the melting point of the metal that the engine is made out of so they have to make channels along the outside of the interior of the engine bell out of wax and then build up the exterior of the engine via electroplating and then melt the wax out so they can constantly pump cryogenic propellant through the engine bell before it enters the bell nozzle to cool the engine enough that it doesn’t melt. So ice can build up on the outside of the engine even though the exhaust is hot enough to melt metal.
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> If we wanted to invent something better than that in the middle of a war without international supply chains…
That’s really cool. You’re also pointing to materials availability like rare earths to make all specialized alloys and electronics.
> Even in modern liquid propellant rocket engines, the temperature of the exhaust exceeds the melting point of the metal that the engine is made out of so they have to make channels along the outside of the interior of the engine bell out of wax and then build up the exterior of the engine via electroplating and then melt the wax out so they can constantly pump cryogenic propellant through the engine bell before it enters the bell nozzle to cool the engine enough that it doesn’t melt. So ice can build up on the outside of the engine even though the exhaust is hot enough to melt metal.
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> If we wanted to invent something better than that in the middle of a war without international supply chains…
That’s really cool. You’re also pointing to materials availability like rare earths to make all specialized alloys and electronics.
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But then it’s also a war crime and could lead to the end of the world or something when the virus spreads everywhere as viruses tend to do so idk…
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@1,444,037 (B)
Tbh, electronics are so complex and the machines that make them are so complex and the machines that make the machines are so complex that there isn’t really any country that can make a smartphone from start to finish without trading with other countries. It’s so much easier to disrupt that system, I think we’d probably just be set back decades in terms of technology. I kinda doubt anybody would really win at that.
Tbh, electronics are so complex and the machines that make them are so complex and the machines that make the machines are so complex that there isn’t really any country that can make a smartphone from start to finish without trading with other countries. It’s so much easier to disrupt that system, I think we’d probably just be set back decades in terms of technology. I kinda doubt anybody would really win at that.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade (OP) quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,444,043
Because it really does take the whole world, Africa is important for raw materials, Europe is important for making lithography machines, Asia is important for chip manufacturing, the United States is important for chip design, China is important for device manufacturing, then the US is important for software (Apple and Microsoft have a duopoly on closed source operating systems - Google if you count Android too I guess) etc. it’s sort of like if any part of the chain breaks the whole thing breaks but the full chain requires everybody in the world, so if there was a world war, I think basically we just wouldn’t keep producing technology, at least not anywhere near the current volume.
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But the advantage is everybody would have to touch grass.
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China is probably the closest to being independent in terms of being able to do the whole process inside their country. But it completely doesn’t matter because they’re not 100% independent and if they’re not 100% independent then if they lose access to the rest of the world, they completely won’t be able to make electronics. So they’d be about as screwed as us.
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Tho for better or worse, nobody is as screwed as me. 😂👍
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@1,444,038 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade)
> I feel like bioweapons make sense because it gets around the problem of nuclear war.
Most stockpiles have been destroyed or aren’t functional. You need special warheads with cooling properties and special tech and dispersal systems so the detonation doesn’t destroy the biomaterial. Of course you could just infect a bunch of people randomly and use them as the weapon.
Aum Shinrikyo played with bio weapons then opted for sarin. And the delivery mechanism was … lancing plastic bags with umbrella tips.
> I feel like bioweapons make sense because it gets around the problem of nuclear war.
Most stockpiles have been destroyed or aren’t functional. You need special warheads with cooling properties and special tech and dispersal systems so the detonation doesn’t destroy the biomaterial. Of course you could just infect a bunch of people randomly and use them as the weapon.
Aum Shinrikyo played with bio weapons then opted for sarin. And the delivery mechanism was … lancing plastic bags with umbrella tips.
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@1,444,043 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade)
> Because it really does take the whole world, Africa is important for raw materials, Europe is important for making lithography machines, Asia is important for chip manufacturing, the United States is important for chip design, China is important for device manufacturing, then the US is important for software (Apple and Microsoft have a duopoly on closed source operating systems - Google if you count Android too I guess) etc. it’s sort of like if any part of the chain breaks the whole thing breaks but the full chain requires everybody in the world, so if there was a world war, I think basically we just wouldn’t keep producing technology, at least not anywhere near the current volume.
Android is headed toward closed and screwing with its app designers.
> Because it really does take the whole world, Africa is important for raw materials, Europe is important for making lithography machines, Asia is important for chip manufacturing, the United States is important for chip design, China is important for device manufacturing, then the US is important for software (Apple and Microsoft have a duopoly on closed source operating systems - Google if you count Android too I guess) etc. it’s sort of like if any part of the chain breaks the whole thing breaks but the full chain requires everybody in the world, so if there was a world war, I think basically we just wouldn’t keep producing technology, at least not anywhere near the current volume.
Android is headed toward closed and screwing with its app designers.
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Ww3 won't involve the million dollar superweapon s we've developed that we can't afford to fire off, it will be cyber attacks and drone strikes mostly as well as artillery and guns
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@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
> Ww3 won't involve the million dollar superweapon s we've developed that we can't afford to fire off, it will be cyber attacks and drone strikes mostly as well as artillery and guns
It would be interesting if it had a more ambiguous and brushfire basis. Suddenly there’s conscription into things like guard duty for critical infrastructure and drone operations. Much of the U.S. population isn’t fit enough for a draft so you’d have remedial boot camps.
> Ww3 won't involve the million dollar superweapon s we've developed that we can't afford to fire off, it will be cyber attacks and drone strikes mostly as well as artillery and guns
It would be interesting if it had a more ambiguous and brushfire basis. Suddenly there’s conscription into things like guard duty for critical infrastructure and drone operations. Much of the U.S. population isn’t fit enough for a draft so you’d have remedial boot camps.
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Tbh, I don’t think most people my age would tolerate a draft. People don’t usually say out loud what they really think about the current situation but when they do, you can tell only a very tiny minority actually believe in what’s been happening.
Tbh, I don’t think most people my age would tolerate a draft. People don’t usually say out loud what they really think about the current situation but when they do, you can tell only a very tiny minority actually believe in what’s been happening.