Topic: Japan vs China
Anonymous A started this discussion 3 weeks ago #135,900
I don’t really understand the mentality of Japanese people, but the mentality of Chinese people makes a lot of sense to me. I get this idea whenever I read stuff written by Japanese people on the internet that the Japanese think they’re European instead of Asian and their only goal is to preserve the ethnic homogeneity of their island, not to compete with the United States or to be a successful and powerful nation. Chinese people on the other hand are also nationalistic, but they’re nationalistic more in the sense that they want China to be powerful and they want China to be rich and they want China to compete with the United States for the spot of most powerful country. Given that white people nuked Japan, it seems very strange to me that Japanese people identify more with whites than with Asians and discriminate against other Asians and think they’re in the in group with whites whenever xenophobic Europeans talk about foreigners. Chinese people can be racist, but I’ve never met any Chinese person who was confused that they are Chinese, not white. I feel like Japan’s self identification doesn’t make a lot of sense. It’s like, they’re biased against the ethnicities that are the most similar to them, while also admiring the culture they lost a war to, it seems like that’s a losing proposition. How can you ever really win with that mentality?
Idk, maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve been trying to wrap my head around it, and the only logical explanation I can come up with is maybe other Asians don’t like the Japanese because of their war crimes in World War Two, but Europeans are less aware of that, so the Japanese noticed Asians don’t like them, but Europeans say more positive things, so they assume they’re more like Europeans than they are like the Chinese or Koreans.
A focus on cultural preservation above economic power, above technological progress, and above military power seems like a mistake though. It’s technically not a law of physics, but a law of statistics, that all things tend toward chaos, although people say it as if it’s a law of physics because it might as well be one. Preservation forever is obviously impossible and if they focus on nothing else, the result is they’re just going to slowly die and not progress much at anything.
Idk, maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve been trying to wrap my head around it, and the only logical explanation I can come up with is maybe other Asians don’t like the Japanese because of their war crimes in World War Two, but Europeans are less aware of that, so the Japanese noticed Asians don’t like them, but Europeans say more positive things, so they assume they’re more like Europeans than they are like the Chinese or Koreans.
A focus on cultural preservation above economic power, above technological progress, and above military power seems like a mistake though. It’s technically not a law of physics, but a law of statistics, that all things tend toward chaos, although people say it as if it’s a law of physics because it might as well be one. Preservation forever is obviously impossible and if they focus on nothing else, the result is they’re just going to slowly die and not progress much at anything.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 25 minutes later[^] [v] #1,443,241
Even if you look at history, there’s this ahistorical idea on the right that diversity didn’t exist in the past, but the most powerful empires in history were never homogenous. The British Empire wasn’t homogenous, English people are Anglo-Saxon, Anglo means "England" but is Saxony is in Germany. English is technically a Germanic language but with French influences. Then if you look at Ireland (it used to be controlled by the British I know it’s not British), Scotland, and Wales, every other country in the British isles other than England is Celtic. Celtic languages are unrelated to English. Irish doesn’t even have the same word order as English, it has the same word order as Arabic. Rome wasn’t homogenous, you can tell just by looking at a map it couldn’t have been. England and North Africa were both the same country back then. Even China, if you look into it, there were multiple groups there, the Manchus, the Han, etc. and there were multiple languages so it wasn’t really homogenous in the sense that Hitler wanted Nazi Germany to be homogenous. Even if you go as far back as Egypt, the unification of upper and lower Egypt was important for establishing Egypt as a powerful civilization in the ancient world. You can’t conquer people and be homogenous. It’s doesn’t add up, that’s why all empires that strived to be homogenous lost existential wars.
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Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 14 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,242
It’s also ironic, English culture is a mixture of all the cultures that conquered England in the past, and then they conquered the world. But now they want to pretend there was no foreign influence in the past and they were just their own little homogenous island and now they’re just victims. Which is completely false, that’s not what actually happened.
Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 9 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,243
Idk I just think it’s weird the Japanese identity with the Anglo Saxon struggle against diversity when they were nuked by an Anglo Saxon culture (something that no ethnicity of people did to any other ethnicity of people something that uniquely was done to just the Japanese only and nobody else ever), when Algo Saxon homogeneity is just an idea with no historical basis. It’s an oxymoron. Anglo Saxon homogeneity is impossible because the name itself already tells you that they’re mixed.
Anonymous A (OP) quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 9 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,244
Take away the Germanic influence, take away the French influence, take away the Roman influence, what you’re left with is just a bunch of Celts. But English identify is defined by not being Celtic, that’s what makes them different from the Irish.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,417
Stop being racist, ok?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 23 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,548
@OP
> It’s like, they’re biased against the ethnicities that are the most similar to them, while also admiring the culture they lost a war to, it seems like that’s a losing proposition. How can you ever really win with that mentality?
You cant win. You can infer their self imposed cuckoldry via their entertainment. A lot of anime, books, etc almost always have a self deprecating, average looking nobody who feel powerless against “fate” or some kind of cosmic might that they cannot hope to withstand.
Which is why they have these power fantasies where japan becomes the only country in the world where its riddled with threats via nature, supernatural, cosmic or whatever problem you can think of and yet they’re the only ones capable of saving/destroying both japan and the world(depending on author’s motives and what not).
Japan’s collective pride is effectively done. The only way they can get out of that mindset is if they one up the U.S and thats never gonna happen because the U.S made sure they can never feel emboldened again to pull off what they did.
Reminds me of my dad would always say about bullies. They act all tough when in a group but spill a little of their blood, they run away like faggots and then you see them the next day alone trying to greet you and be friendly. That basically sums up japan.
Naturally they want to gain white favor by acting like them in that regard but they forgot that Japan’s a cultural playground for the western world. The reason whites love the Japanese is because they’re submissive. They’re not loud, they have apparent discipline nature rooted in tradition and whatnot. At least with the Chinese. They are honest in that they’ll practice subterfuge if it meant it’ll gain them an upper hand against whites. Chinese vs White is an interesting battle because they’re basically vying for the same position.
at this point the japanese are what the whites wished the blacks were.
> It’s like, they’re biased against the ethnicities that are the most similar to them, while also admiring the culture they lost a war to, it seems like that’s a losing proposition. How can you ever really win with that mentality?
You cant win. You can infer their self imposed cuckoldry via their entertainment. A lot of anime, books, etc almost always have a self deprecating, average looking nobody who feel powerless against “fate” or some kind of cosmic might that they cannot hope to withstand.
Which is why they have these power fantasies where japan becomes the only country in the world where its riddled with threats via nature, supernatural, cosmic or whatever problem you can think of and yet they’re the only ones capable of saving/destroying both japan and the world(depending on author’s motives and what not).
Japan’s collective pride is effectively done. The only way they can get out of that mindset is if they one up the U.S and thats never gonna happen because the U.S made sure they can never feel emboldened again to pull off what they did.
Reminds me of my dad would always say about bullies. They act all tough when in a group but spill a little of their blood, they run away like faggots and then you see them the next day alone trying to greet you and be friendly. That basically sums up japan.
Naturally they want to gain white favor by acting like them in that regard but they forgot that Japan’s a cultural playground for the western world. The reason whites love the Japanese is because they’re submissive. They’re not loud, they have apparent discipline nature rooted in tradition and whatnot. At least with the Chinese. They are honest in that they’ll practice subterfuge if it meant it’ll gain them an upper hand against whites. Chinese vs White is an interesting battle because they’re basically vying for the same position.
at this point the japanese are what the whites wished the blacks were.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 43 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,549
@previous (C)
I’d imagine part of it has to do with Japan being an ethnically homogenous island. The only westerners there are tourists so I’d imagine most of them don’t have a moment in their life that bursts their bubble. They also don’t seem like they actually come to the US very often. I see way more Chinese people in the US than Japanese people. I googled it one time because I noticed there was one Japanese guy in one of my classes in college and I was thinking about it, I saw more African students from Africa than black students from the US. So I googled it and there are actually more Nigerian international students in the US than Japanese international students. Which is really surprising considering the stereotypes about blacks and Asians and given Japan is a close American ally and Nigeria is so much poorer than Japan. But somehow Nigerians are more interested in actually studying here despite all that.
I’d imagine part of it has to do with Japan being an ethnically homogenous island. The only westerners there are tourists so I’d imagine most of them don’t have a moment in their life that bursts their bubble. They also don’t seem like they actually come to the US very often. I see way more Chinese people in the US than Japanese people. I googled it one time because I noticed there was one Japanese guy in one of my classes in college and I was thinking about it, I saw more African students from Africa than black students from the US. So I googled it and there are actually more Nigerian international students in the US than Japanese international students. Which is really surprising considering the stereotypes about blacks and Asians and given Japan is a close American ally and Nigeria is so much poorer than Japan. But somehow Nigerians are more interested in actually studying here despite all that.
Anonymous D double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,551
Although, tbh, I think black Americans and Africans are pretty different culturally. One thing that’s also unintuitive based on the discourse in the US especially on the right about Japan compared with Africa, is there were some polls done when Trump won his second term (this was before he bombed Nigeria so it might have changed), but Donald Trump was actually much much more popular in Nigeria than in Japan. Which is crazy because based on what white people say on the internet you’d think it was the opposite.
Anonymous D triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 50 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,552
Apparently on Twitter when they added that feature where you could see where people were creating accounts from, a lot of pro MAGA accounts were based in Nigeria.
Anonymous D quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,553
Trump literally had higher approval in Nigeria than in the United States.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/06/11/confidence-in-trump/
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/06/11/confidence-in-trump/
Anonymous D quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,554
It actually makes sense if you think about it, because there’s this really big irony in the west where brown people in the west vote left wing, but if you look at where they came from, they come from much more conservative countries. And the only explanation is racism, basically. When brown people move to the west, they vote left, because the right wing whites don’t like brown people. But if you look at the cultures objectively, and you look at their laws on things like, gay marriage, abortion, the death penalty, religiosity, etc. the countries that actually have policies that the right wants are mostly black and brown countries. But they’re so racist they have zero awareness of it.
Anonymous D sextuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 11 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,555
It also shows Trump’s lack of intelligence though, pick the country that likes you the most and bomb them just to make sure no one likes you. Even from a strategic perspective it was dumb because Nigeria created an alliance against the pro Russian military juntas in the Sahel region and was generally aligned with the US and Nigeria is the largest country in that region by far.
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Anonymous D septuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,557
…especially given the US has to abandon a military base in that region so we barely had the capability to strike Nigeria in the first place which makes no sense because our military base was in Niger not Nigeria which Nigeria aligned itself against and now Niger is pro Russian so why would we bomb Nigeria? I could go on but I swear sometimes I think Trump is pro Putin or something.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,558
Or actually to elaborate even more, it was stupid because the photographs of the strikes show they did nothing more than make holes in the sand in the middle of nowhere but they reported "several terrorists were killed" when they made holes in the sand in the middle of nowhere there weren’t even tents or anything. And it’s stupid because all the pro Trump people think we have a lot of bases in Africa but most of those "bases" aren’t actually bases in the same way Japan has bases, they’re just areas where US troops train troops from African countries, if you look up how many permanent bases we have, the reason why the US strikes in Nigeria didn’t last very long and did almost no damage at all is because we literally don’t have the capability to wage war in Africa in the first place.
Anonymous E double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,559
And half the reason why the strikes were so pathetic is they were launched from a ship because we couldn’t launch planes and drones from our airbase, because Russian troops can go there whenever they want now because it’s in a pro Russian country and we abandoned it!
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 day later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,930
Fu Ge taiwanese chicken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-3elr_KUwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-3elr_KUwA
Anonymous F double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,443,934
Have You Restarted Your Computer This Week?I like restarting my Mac on Saturday mornings. It’s a silly thing really. You don’t really need to restart computers anymore unless some update takes place or there’s something wrong; shutting down on purpose is even more rare. Which is exactly why I like it.
I could just close all my windows and have a clean desktop environment, and I could probably write a script for it or find an app for it, but I enjoy the manual process. Maybe I’m a bit weird, but I like seeing all these warnings: “You have unsaved work! Are you sure?” Yes, I’m sure, I’m not working today, take this document and shove it..! “Microsoft Edge is preve…” Bam! Force quit! Kill kill kill!
Yeah, it’s probably not the smartest way to do this, but sometimes you just need to throw responsibility and reason to the wind. Just for a bit.
Most of my work is saved to the cloud anyway (OneDrive)1, and most of my personal stuff is saved periodically in Emacs, where it’s synced to my various devices, so I don’t really lose anything. Besides, I think anyone who’s been dealing with fixing technology would tell you that the reset option is one of the best ways to resolve many of your computer’s problems. It also gives you a chance to go to the bathroom or grab a cup of coffee.
Anonymous B replied with this 3 weeks ago, 20 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,444,128
China > Japan