Anonymous A started this discussion 1 month ago#135,751
The more I understand how gullible white conservatives are and how easy it is to lie to these people, the more I’m convinced they’re jealous of black people because they wish they were slaves. Ultimately, they would rather be slaves in a country without non-whites than be free in a country with blacks. So they’re going to inevitably become slaves.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 19 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,154
@previous (B)
You don’t know anything about black culture. Especially black American culture, I’d argue it’s the opposite, mainly given that blacks tend to be more religious than whites and America has an over the top Protestant culture.
Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,155
Honestly now that I think about it, I’ve encountered racist white Americans, out of all the stereotypes they have, I don’t think anyone even believes in that anymore. That’s a very outdated 1920s or 1930s minstrel show type stereotype that blacks are lazy. I’ve never met anybody IRL who actually thinks that these days.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,173
@previous (B)
You do realize that a statistic by itself only says what is, you can come up with various explanations for why the statistic is what it is. I take it that you’re the type who thinks black people are less capable biologically but you still get angry at black people and moralize about it anyway because really this isn’t motivated by genuine curiosity about the truth, instead it’s motivated by a deep rooted insecurity with yourself.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 48 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,175
For example, I can cite this statistic.
45.8% of individuals sentenced for child pornography were
sentenced for possessing child pornography; 43.1% for
trafficking child pornography; and 11.1% for receiving child
pornography.
99.1% were men.
71.2% were White, 18.0% were Hispanic, 6.0% were Black,
and 4.8% were Other races.
Their average age was 41 years.
94.9% were United States citizens.
Whites are less than 60% of the population, but make up 70% of the child pornography related charges while blacks are 13% of the population but only make up 6% of the child pornography related charges.
That’s true by itself. Can I extrapolate from that and say something about how all white people feel about child pornography? No, that would be stupid. But I take it that’s what you’re about to do but with black people and poverty.
Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,177
What I said is that you can cite statistics, but statistics only tell you what the number is, it doesn’t tell you why the number is what it is, which is why I brought up the child pornography example. Whites in general are more likely to possess child pornography than blacks are. Can I say anything about white culture based on that? No, that would be dishonest. Do you understand the distinction I’m making?
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,179
@1,442,175 (C)
Maybe white people do consume it more. I haven't reviewed the sample size and methodology, but I wouldn't dismiss data because it was inconvenient for me.
I've seen that black people that make it a lifestyle choice, choosing not to invest in their career compared to whites.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,180
@previous (B)
What are you talking about? I linked to the source, the source is the United States sentencing commission. The source is the federal government, why are you talking about sample size?
> I've seen that black people that make it a lifestyle choice, choosing not to invest in their career compared to whites.
That’s anecdotal. Two people could have two completely different opinions on that based on what city they live in and who they’ve encountered in their life.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,185
@previous (B)
Stereotypes aren’t data idiot. It’s a stereotype that blacks are more likely to be killed by other blacks, but if you look at the data, every race is most likely to be killed by members of the same race.
What actually happened was that you said it could be different in different areas and I pointed out I've lived in different areas and seen this plus there's the stereotype.
People are going to learn from their experiences, especially when it's happening in different areas. Stereotypes don't come out of nowhere either.
When the data also shows the same thing, that's just another reason for the belief.
You dismiss anecdotes, widespread stereotypes, AND you ignore data because technically there could be some alternative explanation.
When you dismiss all three, you are just holding faith in a dogma.
If everyone did this, we'd never be able to learn from experience or draw conclusions from data. Belief would be entirely about conforming to an ideology.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 11 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,191
For example, say someone says that based on the data it’s true that black people are most likely to kill another black person and black people are most likely to be killed by another black person. Say that person thinks like you and they say, "Well it must be different races have different values I guess blacks just kill blacks because they don’t have values." That would be incorrect, because every race tends to kill and be killed by members of the same race at a higher rate than they are to be killed and be killed by members of other races. The real reason is because black people tend to live in black neighborhoods and mostly know other black people, and people tend to murder people they know in real life, which is why every race is most likely to kill and be killed by members of the same race. So do you see how it’s entirely possible to look at a true statistic and come to a false conclusion?
> How do you justify a belief if you dismiss personal experience, stereotypes, and data?
The same data can have more than one plausible explanation, what I’m saying is you’re choosing explanations that demean black people over ones that don’t because of your own personal bias towards black people and not for any objective reason.
Anonymous C quadruple-posted this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,195
Stereotypes aren’t necessarily based on anything true, they can be based on political propaganda. Politicians have always used minorities as scapegoats to push their own agenda. You can’t use stereotypes as evidence. Especially since stereotypes are culturally specific. Different parts of the world have radically different views on race, and they don’t all associate the same stereotypes with the same groups of people.
Ignoring contrary evidence because it could technically have some counterintuitive explanation is trying to fit the data to your preconceived conclusion.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 3 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,197
For example, if you ask a Chinese person about Russians and you ask an American about Russians, do you think you’re going to get anywhere near the same answer?
Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,205
This is something I’ve noticed about you, you want me to cite everything that you say because you can’t remember what you just said, but you yap about how whites are smarter than blacks. I don’t care about the average IQ of blacks or whites, but I suspect my IQ is probably higher than yours.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,208
@1,442,205 (C)
If you can't be clear about what proposition you are actually arguing against, then you aren't acting in good faith.
You have insisted that I defend strawman arguments dozens of times, and then nust abandoned threads when you were unable to show where I said it.
If we are on the same page here, and we are talking about the choices that affect career success in blacks vs other races, we'd still need to determine what metrics we are using first. Otherwise someone could just say the metric doesn't count when it's established.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 35 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,210
@1,442,208 (B)
How come you always make claims then claim that I need to establish a metric for your claim? That doesn’t make sense. If you don’t know by what metric you established your claim then your claim isn’t even supported by anything in the first place.
I have an observation, and that observation matches a stereotype.
I asked if you want to look at the data because I'm fine with evaluating my observation that way.
I just said why we need to pick a metric first, if we don't either one of us could say the metric is meaningless later if it doesn't the conclusion that person made.
How do you think it's fair to measure black effort in the labor market?
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,217
@previous (C)
I just told you I'm distracted. Is this some victory for you, that I forgot that comment?
We have threads where you will completely repeat the same argument that failed you before verbatim, you'll ask me the same question over and over like it hasn't already been answered.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,218
If you are wondering what the metric is though, the bar I would put for concluding that African Americans "avoid word even if it hurts them" would be a survey of a statistically significant sample of African Americans where more than half of they say that they like to avoid working even if it hurts them.
> We have threads where you will completely repeat the same argument that failed you before verbatim, you'll ask me the same question over and over like it hasn't already been answered.
You’re getting mixed up, I accused you of that, you never accused me of this.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 44 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,223
@1,442,219 (C)
When you pointed out the comment, I immediately admitted I forgot it.
We have threads where you will ignore a question for hours, or you'll make a strawman and insist I defend it, or you'll post 10 comments in a row talking about how much you hate me because you can't figure out a response to whatever the last part of the conversation is.
It's not comparable. You'll make 99 errors, pretend you didn't, and then find 1 post I forgot about and act like you scored big.
Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 50 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,225
You do realize this entire thread is me debating you over a claim for which you have provided zero evidence so far. You’re not winning any type of debate here, you’re just distracting from having to answer why you hold the belief that you hold.
Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,226
You’ve already said before you’re a racist and you think blacks are inferior. There’s no reason for anyone to trust that your opinion is objective because you’ve openly admitted to having an emotional bias against blacks, and you’re refusing to cite data to back up your belief, therefore, nobody should take you seriously.
Anonymous C quadruple-posted this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,227
Really, if you think about it, inferiority and superiority are subjective terms. You probably have so much brainrot you don’t realize this, but it’s not obvious at all that whites are better than blacks. Is it obvious that a raccoon is better than a squirrel? Is it obvious that a tiger is better than a lion? Is it obvious a bird is better than a lizard? Nobody ranks animals in terms of superiority and inferiority except for humans because nobody has any reason to have an emotional reaction to different species of animals. The fact that you even believe in the concept is a choice that’s not dictated by facts. God never told humanity that some races are better than others. Or using a more secular term, the universe never said blacks are worse than whites or that blacks exist to serve whites. That’s a claim that can’t be justified with anything.
Anonymous C quintuple-posted this 1 month ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,228
Even history isn’t a justification. If blacks were historically less powerful than whites, that doesn’t really say anything because time never ends. If blacks were enslaved for 400 years, we don’t know what happens in the next 4,000 years yet. There are more blacks than whites so obviously blacks haven’t actually lost. In an infinite game, if you aren’t dead, then you haven’t lost. There is no winning, just survival.
Anonymous C sextuple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,229
Based off population statistics, the majority of black people who will ever live will live in the future not the past. So you can’t really judge black people as a race based on the past when that’s actually a minority of black people.
Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,233
It is true though, black people faced horrible atrocities in the past, but Africa was colonized in the late 1800s. In 1900, Africa had less than 150 million people. Africa was decolonized beginning in the 1960s, in 1960, Africa had less than 300 million people. Today Africa has 1.5 billion people and by 2100 it’s projected to have 4 billion people. Most black people who ever live will never have experienced European oppression. Black people haven’t actually lost at history. We don’t know what happens next yet.
Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,442,234
It’s like yeah, black people were enslaved for 400 years. When does time end? It doesn’t. What percentage of time is 400 years? It converges to 0%. You can’t be sure what God’s intention is.