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Anonymous A started this discussion 1 month ago#135,621
I’m sorry but this whole narrative that Mythos is so powerful they couldn’t release it so they had to make it less powerful and release that as Fable 5 except when they released Fable 5 the US government banned it has "my girlfriend goes to another school" energy.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,441,110
Also, I just feel like… I feel like I’m nitpicking… can they come up with names that sound like what the model does? "Mythos class model" doesn’t mean anything to me.
Honestly, I don’t feel comfortable signing up for Anthropic, but I looked online and saw people saying Fable 5 made clones of Minecraft and GTA and Skyrim. I thought about it for a little bit and then I realized, where’d they get the training data to make Minecraft, GTA, and Skyrim clones? Something about that seems, possibly illegal.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 48 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,441,117
It also feels unethical somehow, because all the code generated by AI is created by models that were trained off of stuff in GitHub without attributing any of the people who actually wrote the original code. Something about it just feels kinda gross.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 9 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,441,120
@1,441,116 (A)
All these companies are caught pirating.
Meta (not the mexican one) was caught pirating thousands of books, magazines, and journals but justified it saying they never seeded it, so technically they didn't commit copyright infringement.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,441,122
@previous (B)
That’s one of the issues with LLMs, you can’t really tell where the output came from. You could probably figure out where it most likely came from though just by comparing the similarity of the code to existing code on GitHub. For example, if you make a solar system simulation, it’s probably related to some GitHub repository that simulates a solar system, but it’s hard to know which one in particular because it’s probably the average of all of them.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,441,123
Even if you publish open source code though, plenty of open source licenses do require attribution even if you can use the open source code commercially in your own project. It just feels weird how strongly the US protected intellectual property until some billionaires came along and now all of the sudden copyright law doesn’t exist somehow. It really advantages the tech giants if they feel like they can use anything anybody else creates and just absorb it as their own with no credit whatsoever.
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,441,124
In general, it feels like laws only exist for the middle class and below. If I just ripped some code straight out of YouTube and made my own YouTube with code from YouTube.com I’d get my pants sued off.
Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,441,125
Then that’s the other thing, why even use AI to write code if since you technically didn’t write the code it’s not clear whether you even can copyright AI generated code.
That's what I mean, it's not something they can practically do.
Imagine asking a junior dev to attribute every influence they had. Are you remembering a stackoverflow answer? Is this you using an algorithm you read in another program?
It's not gross, because they aren't trying to hide the sources, they just can't do it.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,441,128
@1,441,126 (B)
Stack overflow is kinda different because on stack overflow people right responses knowing they’re giving answers to questions to people who are probably going to copy and paste it though. When you incorporate open source code into your project though, you usually actually do attribute the original authors.
For example, React JS is open source, lots of websites use it, if you include React JS in your project, you either download it or link to the CDN. Most people never see it but if you actually go to the URL and look at the code, it is attributed.
Hold up, the website is having trouble parsing the link…
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 1 month ago, 23 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,441,130
At the very top of the code it says
/**
* @license React
* react.development.js
*
* Copyright (c) Facebook, Inc. and its affiliates.
*
* This source code is licensed under the MIT license found in the
* LICENSE file in the root directory of this source tree.
*/
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,441,135
@1,441,133 (A)
I didn't say I was so smart. You said they did something gross, I asked how you think they should do it, and you couldn't figure it out.
It's bizarre to get mad at someone for not meeting a standard, when you can't even explain how they'd meet that standard.
It's not even established in the courts that this is breaking copyright law. Fair use allows verbatim excerpts up to a certain length, and typically allows you to use heavy influence from a work if you mix it up a bit and avoid verbatim copying.
If you're going to get mad at someone or some company, you should be able to articulate what they should do.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,441,139
@1,441,134 (A)
Finding one source to corroborate a claim is not the same as attributing code.
You could find one source that also use a technique, but what if 100 people independently figured out that technique and put it on GitHub? Do you attribute them all? Do you pick one at random?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 41 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,441,142
@1,441,139 (B)
Parallel invention is common, in math and in computer science. However, if an algorithm is a hundred or a thousand lines long, two people won’t write the same code so you can tell when that happened fairly easily vs copying and pasting.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 1 month ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,441,150
And I know you chose the bubble sort example on purpose because it’s something simple, but there are literally so many human programmers in the world it doesn’t matter how niche or tedious or mundane it might seem, humans have already written almost everything you could possibly need and package managers already exist that will handle citing the original authors and the works that their code depended on automatically for you.