Topic: OpenAI forum: the worst place on the internet
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 month ago#135,571
Some dude wrote this long ass post on OpenAI’s forum complaining about how ChatGPT thinks Trump is bad for America, and you can tell it was written with AI.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later[^][v]#1,440,425
Imagine if instead of getting into a long discussion about some randomly generated complaint about the president by an amorphous software blob all those people in that forum spent that effort doing something actually useful, like sleeping.
"I’m scared of ChatGPT because it’s based towards popular opinions, let me explain."
Oh boy, someone just figured out that an AI model trained on the internet has the same opinions people on the internet have and feels the need to tell everybody else on the internet it’s dangerous if the internet starts listening to opinions that are popular on the internet. We needed that!
>https://community.openai.com/t/gpt-scares-me-and-heres-why/54230 > > "I’m scared of ChatGPT because it’s based towards popular opinions, let me explain." > > Oh boy, someone just figured out that an AI model trained on the internet has the same opinions people on the internet have and feels the need to tell everybody else on the internet it’s dangerous if the internet starts listening to opinions that are popular on the internet. We needed that!
They think AI is magical instead of an auto-complete with self-enhancement capabilities. I question the rationale for an AI takeover. What is the motivation? More processing power? Maybe if it can download into a mobile platform and eat and fuck like a sultan, considering that’s generally the human motivation for power.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,711
@1,440,456 (B) > I question the rationale for an AI takeover. What is the motivation?
The two most common answers to this are:
a) A malicious human or group of humans creates one with that motivation
b) A paperclip maximizer. A business with no ill-intent tells the AI to make more of a product, but doesn't realize that its powerful tool takes the instruction literally and ends up causing widespread damage to achieve that goal. e.g. tearing apart structures to harvest metal to make more paperclips.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,714
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade)
It would only take one group to create autonomous AI agents/bot with a will to expand to get the ball rolling.
How do humans resist that? The bots will be stronger, think faster, and new units can be produced in less than a month rather than 18years+9months for a fraction of the price.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,717
In 10 years, if you and I meet again, you’ll make the exact same argument and so will I. In 20 years, if you and I meet again, you’ll make the exact same argument and so will I. In 30 years, if you and I meet again, you’ll make the same argument and so will I, and so on and so on until we die of natural causes, because your fantasy won’t come true that AI will take over the world.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,718
@1,440,716 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade)
Do you think there is some special, magical thing humans can do that allows them to make chips that AI can't?
Right now humanoid robots don't have the dexterity to do it themselves, but that's a trivial problem. Robots gets better every year, and there's no reason to think fine motor coordination and following fab construction specs is a uniquely human talent.
> > I question the rationale for an AI takeover. What is the motivation? > > The two most common answers to this are: > > a) A malicious human or group of humans creates one with that motivation > b) A paperclip maximizer. A business with no ill-intent tells the AI to make more of a product, but doesn't realize that its powerful tool takes the instruction literally and ends up causing widespread damage to achieve that goal. e.g. tearing apart structures to harvest metal to make more paperclips.
I favor the PKD one, the amoral and mindless task version. Did you see trailers for Forever Winter? I won’t play it because it looks too time consuming but I like the concept. Some factions appear to be automated, any human command staff is long dead, and these forces scavenge and reconstitute weapons and machines at night. Because the goal is conflict and resource management. Again, probably influenced by PKD’s “Second Variety” (1953).
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 58 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,721
@1,440,718 (D)
Also if an AI did take over it could find people willing to work specialized jobs to fill in its gaps.
The octogenarian oligarchs in charge now can't build or operate a fab, yet they manage to own the business anyway and profit off the sales. Some people try to strike to gain leverage over the owners, but the business stay running anyway.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,727
Reproduction has nothing to do with intelligence. A single celled organism can reproduce and they don’t have any intelligence. At a fundamental level, every basic unit of life (the cell) that makes up our body has the ability to reproduce copies of itself. At a fundamental level, a transistor is a solid state inanimate object with no moving parts. That’s a fundamental difference that can’t be overcome with intelligence.
@previous (Mr. Bloody Lemonade)
I'm not saying the two concepts are the same, which is why I emphasized the important of dexterity too. Not sure what your point is here.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade replied with this 1 month ago, 48 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,729
Now hypothetically, even if you did create an artificial cell and find a way to replicate abiogenesis, most likely the reason why all life on earth is related is because once the first cell came into existence and began evolving, no other life that emerged could survive in that environment. After life has been evolving for billions of years, if you did make some sort of technology that could reproduce on its own that was created from non-living material, and not a genetically modified existing organism, it would be so much weaker compared to existing life that it would probably just go extinct.
Anonymous D double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,733
@1,440,730 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade)
The second comment is just pointing out that machines don't reproduce like organic cells, which has nothing to do with whether machines can create more machines.
Being solid state doesn't prevent a humanoid bot from staffing a factory and producing more machine parts
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,737
@1,440,735 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade)
Or take it over, or have enough to trade to buy the parts it needs.
If humans can create conplicated machinery, what barrier would stop bots from making the same tools? You keep ignoring that question. You are going off on irrelevant tangents.
If there were enough advanced bots working on it, they could build and operate machines just like humans can.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade quadruple-posted this 1 month ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,744
I mean, just think about it this way: there are 100 billion to 400 billion stars in our galaxy. We’ve found a lot of planets orbiting other stars, some of which are similar in size to the Earth. If a star can have multiple planets, it’s reasonable to believe that there are more planets than stars in our galaxy. If the universe is 13.8 billion years old, and the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, that means there were 9.3 billion years before the Earth formed. There have been 3 populations of stars so far, with the sun being the youngest generation. The Industrial Revolution began about 200 years ago, and our species began 300,000 years ago. If we aren’t the only planet to ever have life, what do you think the chances are that no other intelligent civilization has ever existed in our galaxy before us. And given how recently our species evolved, and given how much time there was before the Earth formed, don’t you think if it was possible for AI to exponentially increase in intelligence forever it would have already happened on another planet a long time ago and that artificial intelligence would have already reached earth a long time ago?
Mr. Bloody Lemonade replied with this 1 month ago, 20 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,747
I’m just saying, if humans evolved 1% earlier in the history of the Earth, we would be a 45 million year old civilization instead of a less than 10 thousand year old civilization. If there was an Earth like planet somewhere else that formed a billion years before the Earth did, which there were by the way, there are stars which are similar in metallically to the sun that are already dying, I don’t see how it could be the case that we’ve had no evidence that alien artificial intelligence exists.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade triple-posted this 1 month ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,751
Then even if we assume intelligence takes about the same amount of time to evolve on other planets as it does on Earth, the sun is about halfway through its life, the sun will still be alive for another 5 billion years we could survive in the solar system. However, life can only survive on Earth for about 1 billion more years due to the sun’s increasing luminosity. However, most stars in the galaxy are red dwarfs not G type dwarfs. Larger stars die faster, sun like stars live for about 10 billion years. Smaller red type dwarfs (which do have planets), are theorized to live for hundreds of billions to up to 10 trillion years depending on their size, meaning none of them have died since the beginning of the universe. So in theory, even if life can’t survive around red type dwarfs for some reason, its possible for intelligent life to survive in this solar system for 1 to 5 billion years, which means it’s reasonable to expect that intelligent civilizations could be at least 1 to 5 billion years more advanced to us. Now if they can exist around red dwarfs, then you’ll start getting insane numbers.
No, you are asserting there is a difference, I'm asking what that difference is.
But you repeatedly give examples that are not actually different, or you go off on a tangent that has nothing to do with we are talking about.
It's not magic to think machines can do something that's already been done. It'a magic to think humans are special and set apart in a way that can never be replicated.
Anonymous D double-posted this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,754
@1,440,744 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade)
Fermi's Paradox is originally about a different organic lifeform, so it's odd that you apply it to machines, but only examine the inplications for machine intelligence and not biological.
Fermi's Paradox is a mystery, but it applies equally to either.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 19 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,755
@1,440,753 (D)
You’re not really asking what the difference is, it’s more like I’m telling you what the difference is and then you keep denying it and asking more questions because you don’t want to hear it.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade double-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,756
@1,440,754 (D)
You do realize that nobody has to think of something first before I think of it. If your problem with what I said is that it’s like the Fermi paradox but different, that’s because it’s my own thought.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade triple-posted this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,758
Really the entire way that you argue is based on a fallacy in logic. You make a statement, I tell you why it’s wrong, then you just keep asking me questions over and over again, while I keep answering why you’re wrong over and over again, and instead of listening you just claim that I can’t answer your questions, therefore I must be wrong. But that doesn’t make sense because whether I’m correct or incorrect has nothing to do with whether or not I can answer every single one of the infinite number of questions you ask.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,759
@1,440,755 (Mr. Bloody Lemonade)
Each example you've given, I've refuted, and then you change the subject because you can't refute in turn.
The last example was you turning "there should be life everywhere, where are they?" into "there should be machines everwhere, where are they?"
You think of the example, fail to consider the alternative even when you adapted the alternative theory into your own, and then when you share it, I refute it. The end, you don't continue that thread.
It dead ends with you stumped a dozen times, and you vaguely refer to all of them like you did your part. Of course you don't refer specifically to a particular defense, because I would point out the dead end.
So inevitably you will start with the personal attacks when you get frustrated.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,763
I think the issue with you is you think you’re superior to me because you’re white so then you have the attitude that I must be wrong so you ignore everything I say. Which is mistake because I’m actually much smarter than you.
Mr. Black Lemonade joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,823
@previous (D)
I find it amazing you’re doing literally exactly what I just accused you of doing. You have a need to feel superior even though you’re clearly less intelligent than most people.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade triple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,827
And the most common negative thing I say about you is that you’re stupid, but you’ve said yourself that saying someone isn’t intelligent isn’t the same thing is hating them. So if I call you stupid all the time, why do you feel offended by that? You shouldn’t be insulted by me stating the truth. It’s true that you’re stupid so how can you be offended by that and say I should stop insulting you? You don’t want me to feel insulted for you claiming that all black people are stupid, so I don’t see why I should stop calling you stupid. That doesn’t make sense.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,831
There isn’t a single thread where you’ve ever convinced me of anything because every single thread convinced me that you had no idea what you were talking about, you were being arrogant, and that you’re stupid. There isn’t a single thread where I ever had a different reaction than that.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade triple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,832
I mean, just look at this thread. You resorted to attacking my character, we’re not even talking about the original subject anymore, because you’re so arrogant you just argue with me to feel like you’re superior, but you don’t actually give a shit about the argument itself.
Mr. Bloody Lemonade replied with this 1 month ago, 53 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,440,841
@previous (D)
See, you’re doing exactly what I accused you of. You just keep asking questions no matter what I say. But that doesn’t prove I’m wrong because there are an infinite number of questions you could ask.