Topic: How much of AI is a hype machine?
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 month ago #135,132
We see Meta and others cutting management to replace it with AI for coordination and warnings of robot apocalypse. How much of this is a smokescreen to spur investment and big exits? The data I see on AI actually helping to generate revenue isn’t there. You get process efficiencies but not growth. And a strained power grid for … advanced text completion and slop videos made in India to get YouTube hits?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 8 minutes later[^] [v] #1,436,278
As much as the Internet was a hype machine during the dotcom era. Foolish to think AI as some type of one trick pony that isn't going to forever change the economy.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 28 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,280
Imagine pitching the internet, as a step towards AI. It's like, you need the wheel tech to eventually get to the bombersMr. Black Boi joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 43 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,291
@1,436,278 (B)
> As much as the Internet was a hype machine during the dotcom era. Foolish to think AI as some type of one trick pony that isn't going to forever change the economy.
The technology isn’t the product, the solution is the product. Google is a search engine, Google isn’t an "internet company."
> As much as the Internet was a hype machine during the dotcom era. Foolish to think AI as some type of one trick pony that isn't going to forever change the economy.
The technology isn’t the product, the solution is the product. Google is a search engine, Google isn’t an "internet company."
Mr. Black Boi double-posted this 1 month ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,293
It’s like, okay, Redis. You know what Redis is? It’s an in memory key/value pair database with sub millisecond response times. You know who uses Redis? Twitter. Twitter uses Redis.
Is Twitter a Redis company? Would anybody invest in Twitter because Redis is faster than SQL?
Is Twitter a Redis company? Would anybody invest in Twitter because Redis is faster than SQL?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 19 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,294
@1,436,278 (B)
> As much as the Internet was a hype machine during the dotcom era. Foolish to think AI as some type of one trick pony that isn't going to forever change the economy.
I don’t think it is. I’m saying beyond cost savings efforts, which are proven, where is the revenue and profitability growth? Plus you have implementation hang ups by people afraid they’re just training their replacements.
> As much as the Internet was a hype machine during the dotcom era. Foolish to think AI as some type of one trick pony that isn't going to forever change the economy.
I don’t think it is. I’m saying beyond cost savings efforts, which are proven, where is the revenue and profitability growth? Plus you have implementation hang ups by people afraid they’re just training their replacements.
Mr. Black Boi replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,295
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I think that LLMs have use cases that save customers money in some instances. That doesn’t mean the AI companies are profitable. I’m not saying LLMs will stop existing, that would be stupid. I’m just saying, will OpenAI exist in 10 years? Maybe, maybe not.
I think that LLMs have use cases that save customers money in some instances. That doesn’t mean the AI companies are profitable. I’m not saying LLMs will stop existing, that would be stupid. I’m just saying, will OpenAI exist in 10 years? Maybe, maybe not.
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Mr. Black Boi double-posted this 1 month ago, 41 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,296
google is gonna win
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,297
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> google is gonna win
Through acquisition? Gemini is pretty handy. And it’s not Copilot!
> google is gonna win
Through acquisition? Gemini is pretty handy. And it’s not Copilot!
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 21 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,302
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Good lard Microsoft bungled copilot. Maybe Grandparents can use it to auto-complete checkout for tech support scammers.
Good lard Microsoft bungled copilot. Maybe Grandparents can use it to auto-complete checkout for tech support scammers.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 54 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,310
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> Good lard Microsoft bungled copilot. Maybe Grandparents can use it to auto-complete checkout for tech support scammers.
I tried to use it within Microsoft’s apps when it was fully integrated. Fail! I had to revert to a prior version.
> Good lard Microsoft bungled copilot. Maybe Grandparents can use it to auto-complete checkout for tech support scammers.
I tried to use it within Microsoft’s apps when it was fully integrated. Fail! I had to revert to a prior version.
Mr. Black Boi joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 2 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,323
@1,436,297 (F)
> > google is gonna win
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> Through acquisition? Gemini is pretty handy. And it’s not Copilot!
Mostly because Google AI doesn’t have to be profitable, because Google is already profitable. OpenAI on the other hand…
Microsoft could I guess, it’s just Microsoft hasn’t been "cool" lately. When was the last time you heard someone rave about the newest Microsoft product?
> > google is gonna win
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> Through acquisition? Gemini is pretty handy. And it’s not Copilot!
Mostly because Google AI doesn’t have to be profitable, because Google is already profitable. OpenAI on the other hand…
Microsoft could I guess, it’s just Microsoft hasn’t been "cool" lately. When was the last time you heard someone rave about the newest Microsoft product?
Mr. Black Boi double-posted this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,324
Ngl, the last cool thing Microsoft did was the surface laptop. And that was a while ago, I wasn’t even an adult yet, I was still a teenager.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 26 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,328
@previous (Mr. Black Boi)
> Ngl, the last cool thing Microsoft did was the surface laptop. And that was a while ago, I wasn’t even an adult yet, I was still a teenager.
I tried to think of something else and failed. Certainly not their phones. Certainly not XBox One.
> Ngl, the last cool thing Microsoft did was the surface laptop. And that was a while ago, I wasn’t even an adult yet, I was still a teenager.
I tried to think of something else and failed. Certainly not their phones. Certainly not XBox One.
Mr. Black Boi joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,332
@previous (J)
I think the current problem is two fold: the hardware is bad and so is the software. Microsoft went all in on x86 back in the day because the idea was that since CISC had more instructions than RISC and CISC had variable length instructions you could create more hardware acceleration and that would be worth it since PCs are plugged into the wall anyway. Meanwhile Arm chips were designed to be power efficient and were put inside smartphones. In the mid to late 2010s, people started noticing the embarrassing reality that running code on your smartphone sometimes was faster than running it on a laptop. Apple realized that, and they decided to start making chips for computers like mobile chips, RISC instruction set, integrated memory, integrated graphics, put literally everything on one chip, force everybody to recompile all their apps and invest effort into making software to translate x86 instructions to Arm instructions, and it paid off. Meanwhile, Microsoft just let the hardware and the software continue to be inefficient.
I think the current problem is two fold: the hardware is bad and so is the software. Microsoft went all in on x86 back in the day because the idea was that since CISC had more instructions than RISC and CISC had variable length instructions you could create more hardware acceleration and that would be worth it since PCs are plugged into the wall anyway. Meanwhile Arm chips were designed to be power efficient and were put inside smartphones. In the mid to late 2010s, people started noticing the embarrassing reality that running code on your smartphone sometimes was faster than running it on a laptop. Apple realized that, and they decided to start making chips for computers like mobile chips, RISC instruction set, integrated memory, integrated graphics, put literally everything on one chip, force everybody to recompile all their apps and invest effort into making software to translate x86 instructions to Arm instructions, and it paid off. Meanwhile, Microsoft just let the hardware and the software continue to be inefficient.
Mr. Black Boi double-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,333
And it’s like yeah, some people hate it because you can’t add more RAM if the RAM is built into the chip, but if you do it that way it’s really really fast tho. Microsoft is too worried about backwards compatibility and legacy to make something cool.
Mr. Black Boi triple-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,436,334
Of course there are some Arm windows laptops, Microsoft did make an attempt at it, but it’s kinda meh from what I’ve heard.