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Topic: Should the crown automatically put a gag order on hamas supporters?
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 week ago#134,711
The antisemitic rhetoric is out of control, it's becoming a security imperitive that when someone joins one of these radical palestate gangs they are brought to heel.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 4 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,433,468
@previous (A)
Black people never got reparations. We gave money to Japan after World War Two to help them rebuild. We didn’t call it reparations, but that’s what it was, essentially. How come we don’t give reparations to rebuild Nigeria? Japan wasn’t even on the right side of the war!
TheDarkChad quadruple-posted this 1 week ago, 6 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,433,471
And what about the people who died as a consequence of colonialism upon independence? Nigeria was more than one country for hundreds of years, then when the British left, they drew borders to put dozens of different ethnic groups with different religions and different cultures and different languages in the same country, and somewhere between 500,000 and 3 million civilians died as a result in the civil war that led to! We pay Israel money because we save them, so that’s why we owe them money, what about Africa? 🤔
TheDarkChad joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,433,486
@previous (A)
That’s just an excuse for white people who were too stupid to get admitted into university that it’s because they’re being discriminated against instead of the truth which is that they just got bad grades and applied to schools with low acceptance rates.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,433,487
Really, we live in a country where anybody can go to college if they want. You can’t get into Harvard? Go to a public university, some of them are as good or even better than ivies in certain subject areas. Can’t get into a public university? Go to a community college for a couple years and transfer, save some money in the process. Nobody can’t get into college because they’re white. If you get rejected from a college, call them and ask them why, they’re not going to ever say, "Because you’re white."
TheDarkChad quadruple-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,433,489
And aren’t black people underrepresented in the student body at most elite universities? You only say it’s unfair when the percentage of black people at an ivy marches the percentage of black people in real life. It’s such bullshit, you people just don’t want people who don’t look like you from being successful, because you don’t want to compete so you can keep believing the lie that you’re special, when you’re really not special.
> That’s just an excuse for white people who were too stupid to get admitted into university
This doesn't make any sense, why would stupid people want race blind admissions?
If black people aren't getting a leg up, why do they need race used as a factor?
> that it’s because they’re being discriminated against instead of the truth which is that they just got bad grades and applied to schools with low acceptance rates.
If that's true, then what do these people gain from fighting for race blind admissions?
If you simply give the seats to the students with the highest scores, regardless of race, then they wouldn't get anything.
If black students are doing better, they should agree to race blind admissions.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,495
@1,433,492 (A)
The reason why race is a factor in admissions is because public schools are funded by local governments. If you grow up in a poor town, you get a worse education than somebody who grew up in a wealthy neighborhood. Black neighborhoods exist because decades ago there used to be racist zoning laws where black people couldn’t buy houses in certain areas. Of course segregation isn’t legally allowed any longer, but on a societal level, black people still live in black neighborhoods and white people still live in white neighborhoods.
> And aren’t black people underrepresented in the student body at most elite universities?
No one is owed a spot because of their race.
> You only say it’s unfair when the percentage of black people at an ivy marches the percentage of black people in real life. It’s such bullshit, you people just don’t want people who don’t look like you from being successful, because you don’t want to compete so you can keep believing the lie that you’re special, when you’re really not special.
No, I want them to pick a standard of admission and judge people on that consistently regardless of what the person looks like.
If they switched to a race blind test and a black student gets in the top scores, good for them.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,497
@previous (A)
The purpose of universities should be to benefit the United States. Having a student body that doesn’t represent the population of the United States does not benefit the United States.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 16 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,501
There are plenty of white students at my university, they never complain about university admissions being racist because they got in. I don’t think university admissions are racist, because I got in. Only people who don’t get admitted complain about not getting admitted.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 20 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,502
@1,433,499 (TheDarkChad)
You said black students got better scores first, and then you explained why they'd get worse scores by talking about underfunded neighborhoods.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 40 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,503
@1,433,500 (A)
That doesn’t make sense. A country where the common person is uneducated and a wealthier upper class is more educated does not benefit a society.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 58 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,504
@1,433,501 (TheDarkChad)
I knew people against DEI on my campus, and they all knew how stupid it would be to have that conversation with a random black man who would take it personally.
I can be against racist policies that bring in bad students, even if I get in myself.
Justice doesn't mean ignoring the people affected when you were spared.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 30 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,505
@1,433,502 (A)
Nothing I’m saying is contradictory, you’re making arguments as if there’s only one white person and one black person in America. You can find a white person who scored higher than a black person and you can also find a black person who scored higher than a white person. Your counterarguments don’t make sense.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 46 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,506
@1,433,504 (A)
If you can’t have a conversation about what you think with people who disagree with you, maybe that’s a sign you are close minded and lack critical thinking.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,508
@1,433,506 (TheDarkChad)
It was never the anti-DEI people that couldn't have a calm conversation, it was always the leftists who would scream and name call anyone who had a differing opinion.
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,509
@1,433,505 (TheDarkChad)
No, I'm saying you rank all the applicants by grades or test scores or whatever other academic metric and then admit the top of that list regardless of race.
DEI explicitly goes against that, and says you skip past whites and let in blacks with lower scores to be inclusive.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 20 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,510
@1,433,507 (A)
Saying not everyone needs to study every subject is not the same as saying not everyone needs to study. If whites are wealthier than blacks in the United States due to a history of racist laws, then if you treat them as if they both had the same starting place, you will only perpetuate a race based class hierarchy. That is not beneficial for the United States as a society. Racial and class divisions lead to societal instability.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 59 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,511
@1,433,509 (A)
More people apply to Harvard with perfect GPAs than there are seats available at Harvard, so your idea would lead to Harvard having to make arbitrary decisions about who to admit and who not to admit based on nothing.
TheDarkChad triple-posted this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,512
The reason why Harvard accepts people who don’t have perfect GPAs over people who have perfect GPAs is because you can’t objectively rank people based on reductive numbers. On average, yes a 4.0 student is better than a 2.0 student. But between a 4.0 student and a 3.8 student, what if the 4.0 student was taking easy classes, never took any AP classes, never did dual enrollment, while the 3.8 GPA student took AP calculus and did extracurricular activities in STEM? You can’t just judge people based on numbers alone, that’s why colleges ask applicants to write essays. They want to know who you are, why you want to study, what you’re actually doing, and whether or not you’ll actually benefit from being admitted.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,513
@1,433,511 (TheDarkChad)
The applicants to Harvard Medical School did not all get perfect scores, and they let in low scoring blacks while rejecting higher scoring white and asian students
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 48 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,514
I mean, really, if you looked at all the majors at a university, and you looked at what the college GPA of students in different majors were on average, I’d bet you, electrical engineering and computer science majors probably have lower GPAs than the people studying basket weaving. But that doesn’t mean the basket weavers are smarter now does it?
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 46 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,515
@1,433,513 (A)
Just because they didn’t all get perfect scores doesn’t mean the number of people with perfect scores wasn’t higher than the number of people Harvard could admit.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,516
@1,433,512 (TheDarkChad)
If it was about factors like that then it would not show a pattern of racial bias.
The underfunded black schools that just want people to behave and turn in something are more likely to inflate grades of underperforming students. An established elite school will just fail bad students, they can afford to annoy some people to maintain their reputation.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 54 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,517
@previous (A)
No, it would show a pattern of racial bias because schools in predominantly black areas tend to receive less funding from their poorer local governments, which means blacks are less likely to go to schools that offer AP credits, IB credits, dual enrollment, etc.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 59 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,518
@1,433,515 (TheDarkChad)
It still leaves the question, why did Harvard decide non-score factors matter more for black students than white year after year?
That isn't a coincidence, we'd see scores similar regardless of race unless they were specifcally ignore scores to increase the black student numbers.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 4 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,520
@1,433,518 (A)
Because black students on average come from a different background than white students so it’s not fair to measure them as if they had the same starting point.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,521
@1,433,519 (A)
It’s obviously a disadvantage to the poor if wealthier students can either work hard out of willpower or pay for a private tutor, bur poor students only have the option to work hard out of willpower. Not everyone has the same conditions in life. Some people have more resources than others, and people always tend to do better when they have more resources no matter what type of person you are.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 54 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,522
@1,433,520 (TheDarkChad)
Patients need a good doctor, even if they had an easy childhood. They don't need a mediocre doctor who got their job because people saw how unfair it was.
Putting one persons career above all the people affected is wrong.
A better way to solve this would be programs to help the poor, so everyone had a shot. Not just letting unprepared students get in because of their color.
This attitude lacks empathy. If you were intelligent, you would look at history and understand that wealthy individuals who didn’t have to interact with the lower classes and developed a mindset that the poor were inferior in terms of intellect or in terms of morality to themselves always ended up creating a tyrannical society which ultimately leads to the masses realize the fastest way to double their income is eat the rich. Just look at the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution, this has happened more than once in history. That’s a dangerous mindset to have, not just for the poor, but actually more so for the rich, because it wasn’t the poor who were getting their heads chopped off in the French Revolution.
TheDarkChad triple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,433,526
In fact, I think that affirmative action based on income would be better than affirmative action based on race. But I think that no affirmative action at all is an idea you can only support if you’re either so naive that you think life is fair or if you want to maintain unfair social hierarchies purely out of either selfishness or hatred.
Mr. Black Boi replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,730
@previous (F)
If you think about it, given a long enough time span, the amount of water going up has to be exactly equal to the amount of water going down or we’d either run out of clouds or run out of oceans.
Mr. Black Boi double-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,731
Take Venus for instance, Venus used to have water. You gotta keep the balance or the planet dies. Humans don’t care too much about balance, but whatever. Who cares? We’re all gonna die anyway right? Now I’m ranting about climate change.
Mr. Black Boi triple-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,732
You know, we’ve gotta be racist and put other people down and be greedy so we can become exponentially more wealthy forever on a planet with finite resources. In our quest to live forever, let’s kill the planet that keeps us alive! Aren’t we so much smarter for this than all those stupid animals that don’t disturb the natural world?
Is perhaps the primary reason the world is the way it is.
My takeaway is that the wealthy are terrified of being broke, hungry and homeless.
when you have to share with 8 billion humans whom you do not give a fuck about, that anxiety starts to set in.
Mr. Black Boi double-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,737
Because you know, everybody lives, everybody dies. Maybe when we die nothing happens, maybe we go to heaven or hell, maybe we reincarnate. Even if we reincarnate… how often does being a billionaire happen? That’s gotta be terrifying knowing you got that lucky and could lose it at any moment.
Mr. Black Boi triple-posted this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,738
Also more people would probably want to kill you if you’re well known so you couldn’t really be free I guess. Like I’d hate to be a world leader. Imagine having to have the secret service follow you everywhere you go for the rest of your life so you don’t get shot just because you wanted to change the tax policy or whatever for 4 years before the other party changed it back.
Anonymous F replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,739
I'm not scholar or philosopher by any means. I'm just a mob character. I dont spend much time pontificating like most do.
But I figured when I step back and look at the bigger picture, it made sense that we're just operating on the same basic survival instinct from our ancestors.
Be it DEI or Jim Crow or whatever the case may. its all just tools to convince people to panic and turn on each other to filter the competition.
Wealthy people do not want to be broke.as long they have enough money to purchase their creature comforts until they kick the bucket then nothing else matters.
Mr. Black Boi replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,740
@previous (F)
Tbh at some level it has to be irrational. Like Elon Musk for example, what can 800 billion buy you in terms of lifestyle that a 100 million can’t? Especially given he came from Africa, it’s like… how can you literally be a guy from Africa with a net worth that’s larger than the yearly GDP of entire countries and know that poverty exists on this earth and not be embarrassed in some way?
Anonymous F replied with this 1 week ago, 33 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,741
@1,433,738 (Mr. Black Boi)
thats pretty much it and to be honest I would have done the same because if suddenly today I had all the money in the world to never struggle again. The next big issue would be to stay alive, maintain funds and dealing with other billionaires.
If my funds are starting to run a bit low then welp looks I need to cause another war or pass another policy that will benefit me and me only.
Mr. Black Boi replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,742
Or AI companies and their billions of dollars of investor funding rounds over and over again when they’re losing billions of dollars even though they’re making billions in revenue because they can just do that, meanwhile an LLM is literally a file you can just download on your computer for free. None of it makes sense.
Mr. Black Boi double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,743
@1,433,741 (F)
I feel like it would make sense to have a limit where once you make $x you know you’re set for life and then you just quit and don’t worry about it. That would make more sense.
Anonymous F replied with this 1 week ago, 15 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,744
@1,433,740 (Mr. Black Boi)
because when you have that kind of money honestly you wont give a fuck about how embarrassing it looks. I'm sure Elon felt some level of embarrassment and shame but when he saw the amount of money he was making and the power he was amassing, all that gets washed away instantly.
but I agree its completely irrational like bro I'd happy with just 5 mil. Mostly spend my time doing the same shit im doing now. Game, goon and junkfood.
Mr. Black Boi replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,745
@previous (F)
I know bill gates was part of all the Epstein stuff so he’s not a good guy, but still in terms of his outward persona at least, it seems more rational to want to at least try to sort of justify it by being like "Yeah I’m rich, but hey look, I’m donating my money to x, y, z cause." Instead Elon Musk’s thing was canceling foreign aid to poor countries. Because for some reason he thinks that’s why we have a national debt, when everybody and their grandma knows what the actual reason is.
Anonymous F replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,746
@1,433,743 (Mr. Black Boi)
it would make sense but not all are rational. To someone like us we'd feel this x amount of $ would be enough but you gotta remember that most of the top earners in the world have some type of dysfunctional/illness or otherwise a particular flaw.
to them when they see a policy that grants broke commoners a livelihood.(i.e a finite resource) to them its taking money/food/gas. etc out of their pocket.
Anonymous F double-posted this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,433,747
@1,433,745 (Mr. Black Boi)
Musk is a Gen X baby. they're all cut from that same type cloth.(the cloth being sci-fi/DnD coded nerds with a tinge of racism and bigotry disguised as "jokes" because thats how they grew up, zero emotional intelligence and zero empathy).
its par for the course especially when it comes having to provide humanitarian aid.