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Topic: There are some things the Catholics have always been right about, never wavered, bringing prosperity
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 week ago#134,597
Like being smart enough to know never to have nigger pope LOL
There may be twice as many Africants as Europeans, but one blacky would fuck up the whole thing. Think about it, did you ever meet a nigguh who knew how to read properly? The idiot wouldn't know what scripture was even saying!
TheDarkChad triple-posted this 1 week ago, 11 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,670
The modern concept of race didn’t really exist in Roman times. They had slavery, but it wasn’t based on race. They mostly enslaved prisoners of war. Except, they had a system where a slave would work for a number of years before becoming a citizen of Rome, and it wasn’t that uncommon for former slaves to own slaves. So in Ancient Rome it wouldn’t be unheard of for someone from Africa to end up in a position of relative status (like being the pope for example). Prejudice against Africans is a relatively recent invention in history, in the past 500 years or so.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 51 seconds later, 22 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,676
@1,432,670 (TheDarkChad) > The modern concept of race didn’t really exist in Roman times.
Megacope. They could tell light and darkskins apart, and not once in the entire history of the Catholic church did they have a dark skinned pope.
For example, pope Gelasius I, the depiction of him on Wikipedia is from 1760, but he died in 496, so that was painted 1,264 years after his death. The person who painted that never saw him.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 27 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,681
@1,432,679 (TheDarkChad)
There have been 266 popes, and not a single one was dark skinned.
You are grasping at straws. "Uhh, his painting was white, but maybe he was black because it took them a long time to make it".
You are in a religion that has only ever been led by white people, for the same reason you are in a country that is known for white supremacy. You are terrified of existing in any culture that is controlled by niggers or gooks. You have the option to change cultures, but you would never, ever do it.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 14 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,684
Actually the irony of this whole thing is that you don’t think that North Africans are black, except most of the Christians in Africa live in sub Saharan Africa. North Africa today is mostly Muslim and sub Saharan Africa today is mostly Christian.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 30 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,685
@1,432,683 (A)
Yeah, that’s my point. Pope Gelasius I was born in what’s now modern day Tunisia. But you’re saying he was white because you looked at a picture painted by Europeans over a thousand years after he died, it doesn’t make sense.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 week ago, 20 seconds later, 31 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,687
@1,432,684 (TheDarkChad)
There are black in North Africa, but the Catholic church never picked one of them to lead the Church. Understanding the culture of the time (490s), this should be immediately obvious to you.
There's a reason not a single Church historian has even floated the idea, because only a complete idiot could think that guy was black.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 33 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,690
@1,432,688 (A)
I’ve been friends with Arabs before and never in my life have I heard an Arab identify as white. They identify with Islam and with the Arabic language.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 44 seconds later, 35 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,693
@1,432,691 (A)
Because the vast majority of black people have always lived south of the Sahara desert. The Romans didn’t have a racial ideology about blacks being inferior, they just interacted with blacks less than they interacted with other cultures due to geography, and due to the fact the Romans didn’t have sophisticated sailing ships that came in later centuries.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 36 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,694
@1,432,692 (A)
They had African popes. Black is a broad category created by Europeans based on how people look that doesn’t have much to do with the actual cultural diversity of Africa.
TheDarkChad triple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 38 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,695
There’s evidence that the Romans did have expositions to sub Saharan Africa, but they were relatively rare. The Roman Empire didn’t have the technological capability to exert influence south of the Sahara the way they could in North Africa, which is why there were North African popes and not black popes.
TheDarkChad quadruple-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,696
It’s sort of roughly the equivalent of their relationship with China. They could send a few people to China, they knew China existed. There were no Chinese popes, but this doesn’t have anything to do with judgement of their culture or their race, it’s just the fact that they were geographically isolated from each other. The Romans knew sub Saharan Africa existed, but it’s not a place any random Roman could just get up and go to whenever they felt like, it’s not a place where they could send the Roman army to conquer. It was just a far away place maybe some curious Romans might have been to a few times for the sake of exploring or whatever.
TheDarkChad quintuple-posted this 1 week ago, 8 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,697
And you have to use your brain here. The western Roman Empire lasted 500 years. Slavery in Ancient Rome wasn’t race based. They had Germanic slaves because they considered Germanic people to be barbarians. They had all sorts of different ethnicities of slaves and slaves could work to earn their freedom. Rome wasn’t founded on a racial ideology. The United States was founded on an ideology of race based slavery. Black slaves in the United States could never earn their freedom, and their children were also slaves. However, the US is only 250 years old, and in that time the US went from having chattel slavery to electing a black man president twice. If Rome wasn’t founded on chattel slavery, and it lasted longer than the United States, the reason why there weren’t black people in positions of power in Rome probably has more to do with the fact that there would have been fewer black people living in Europe during the Roman Empire than were living in the United States during slavery.
TheDarkChad sextuple-posted this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,699
It’s also a fallacy to assume that being in positions of power inherently means you’re not discriminated against. For example, there’s never been an Asian American president. Asian Americans earn more than black Americans. That doesn’t mean white people aren’t racist against Asians, they are, but it’s not as intense, so Asians can perform better in the United States than black Americans. But there are more black Americans in political positions of power than Asian Americans because there are just twice as many black people so it doesn’t matter.
TheDarkChad septuple-posted this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,432,700
Which if you google how many blacks vs Asians there are in congress, this logic holds. There are roughly 3x as many blacks in congress as Asians despite the fact that Asians earn more on average than black Americans and therefore are less oppressed.
Anonymous B nonuple-posted this 1 week ago, 16 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,432,703
Actually the more I look into it online, the Romans didn't document the skin color of the popes that were from Africa because it wasn’t considered to be important so they’re actually not 100% sure what they’re ethnicity was.
This is from a BBC article:
Prof Bellitto says there is no way of knowing with any degree of accuracy what the three popes looked like.
"We have to remember that the Roman Empire, and indeed the Middle Ages, didn't think of race as we think of it nowadays. It had nothing to do with skin colour," he told the BBC.
"People in the Roman Empire didn't deal with race, they dealt with ethnicity."
Prof Philomena Mwaura, an academic at Kenya's Kenyatta University, told the BBC that Roman Africa was very multicultural, with local Berber and Punic groups, freed slaves and people who had come from Rome found there.
"The North African community was quite mixed, and it was a trade route also for many people who were involved in trade in the earlier antiquity," she explained.
> > 2,000 years ago, North Africa and Europe were one country. People forget that for some reason. Africans were also Roman. > > "People forget that for some reason". That reason is people weren't alive back then.
Anybody can just google a map of the Roman Empire and clearly see that North Africa was part of the Roman Empire. It’s just lazy white supremacists who are projecting a worldview that was invented hundreds of years after the Roman Empire fell onto the Roman Empire.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,432,769
It’s like if 2,000 years in the future, some low IQ idiot with something against people from the far north was like, "Alaskans weren’t American idiot, they’re a different race" when nobody in our time even had that concept in their head.
TheDarkChad joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,432,772
Imagine somebody 2,000 years from now being like, "Uh, how come there was never a president of the United States from Alaska, they must have been smart enough to know 2,000 years ago that Alaskans are inferior and that must be why the US never elected an Alaskan president." It’s fucking stupid!
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,432,785
I don’t get how anyone’s supposed to believe the IQ bullshit racists promote when you are some of the most mentally retarded people on the planet. None of you know anything about anything.
TheDarkChad joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 2 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,432,823
@previous (D)
Africa is 18% of the population, right? Any day that says the average African IQ is an IQ score that is defined as being less than 18% of the population is statistically impossible.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 7 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,432,824
One really large issue with this when comparing IQ between regions, is that the population of a particular region will change what the minimum possible average IQ is. Since Africa has a growing population and the rest of the world has birth rates below replacement, for the next century, Africa’s portion of the world population will increase while after a certain point, the west will start to decrease. This will have the effect of making it look like the IQ of African countries is increasing while the IQ of western countries is decreasing, just because that’s the only way the math can work out, but it doesn’t mean anybody’s intelligence is actually changing.
TheDarkChad triple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,432,825
Also the average IQ is always 100, because an IQ score of 100 is defined as average. So if you say the average isn’t 100, you’re doing something weird with the data to try and push some narrative that isn’t true, and saying that a continent as large as Africa that makes up 18% of humanity has an IQ of 70, which only 2% of people have, you really have to fuck with the data to make that happen.
TheDarkChad quadruple-posted this 1 week ago, 7 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,432,826
You’ll also notice if you look at older IQ data, they say that Africans have much lower IQs than what you’ll see in newer data. This is for a couple reasons, part of it is because back in the day before the internet it was easier to lie and people were more racist against black people in the past. The other part of the reason is that, in the past, up until the 1990s, Africa was always smaller than Europe in terms of population. Even during World War Two Europe had twice as many people as Africa did, so it would have been possible for Africans on average to score lower on average. But now there are more Africans than Europeans so it becomes harder and harder to mathematically justify that they have lower IQs on average the larger their population becomes. When Africa stops growing, they’ll be about 40% of the world population, and it would be mathematically impossible to claim they have IQs lower than 97 on average, because anything lower would become an impossible distribution.
TheDarkChad quintuple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,432,827
Of course, by then, Africa will be more developed, so with increased in education and better diets, etc. by 2100, their IQ data would probably match East Asia if the statistics were done honestly. Especially given that Asia will decline from 60% of the world population to 45%.
TheDarkChad sextuple-posted this 1 week ago, 6 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,432,830
Which also means if Asia is 45% of the world population in 2100, and Africa is 40%, Africa and Asia together will be 85% of the world population, and the other western countries will make up the remaining 15%.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,432,837
I’m sure when white people are rich it’s because they’re smart and hardworking, which is why black people don’t deserve reparations for slavery even though a United Nations resolution on it was passed, but the Jews are rich because they’re evil, and if you’re too stupid to tell this is sarcasm.
> Are you actually going to explain how IQ tests, which have questions like this are somehow racist and biased this time? > > Or are you going to completely ignore that and just make multiple posts calling people dumb and racist? > > If you can never explain the problem with IQ tests, why should anyone believe you?
You’re so retarded you can’t even remember what you wrote lol
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,888
Like, I said you told me to not call you stupid, you told me to quote you, I did quote you, and now you’re still trying to get me to not call you stupid. But I can’t, because you’re too stupid for me to pretend you’re not.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 week ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,895
@1,432,720 (D)
Niganon believes that spamming a deluge of garbage means he won the arguement, which is emblematic of how the brown species stumble through life.
TheDarkChad triple-posted this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,902
It’s like, if you don’t want me to insult you, you only respond to me when I insult you. I can talk about a lot of things but the only thing you care about is when I insult you.
TheDarkChad quadruple-posted this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,904
I also really don’t see why I shouldn’t insult you. You’ve insulted me for my race plenty of times. It’s like you don’t realize I’m human or something. If you hurt me, that makes me want to hurt you twice as much, but you’re retarded so you don’t understand anything, and you probably never will. That’s okay, ignorance is bliss I guess. If you died you would understand the same amount about life. It’s a waste of existence.
TheDarkChad joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,905
I guess the part I don’t understand is, why do you still need to lie to yourself? I’d understand it if you were just evil and willing to hurt people, but you need to dehumanize people in order to convince yourself not to feel guilt. That’s weird. I mean, I understand that you’re human and you have thoughts and feelings and an inner world and I also understand that I don’t care if you die. I don’t need to lie to myself, so you’re weaker than I am.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 week ago, 34 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,909
@1,432,905 (TheDarkChad)
It's not dehumanizing to say some people are less intelligent.
If it was, acknowledging that some people are disabled would be dehumanizing them. If someone can't understand basic life skills, does that mean they're less human? No. Just stupid.
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 32 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,922
@1,432,919 (D)
I never called IQ tests racist, I said the data white supremacists cite is fake. Those are two different claims. If you can’t tell the difference, you probably have a low IQ yourself.
TheDarkChad triple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,924
If you actually bothered reading my explanation for my position when you asked me, you would realize I never said that IQ tests are racist. You never bothered reading what I actually said, you always fucking do this.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,927
An IQ score of 100 is defined as the average IQ score. That’s a fact, that’s how the scale was defined. There’s nothing false about that statement that I made. Try again.
TheDarkChad triple-posted this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,928
You basically just said that the average of a subset of all data is not necessarily equal to the average of the data, but I never said that it was. That’s a strawman argument you’re making. You were trying to be clever by making like I was saying something that contradicts those other two statements, but my statement contradicts neither. Why do you always lie like this?
TheDarkChad quintuple-posted this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,930
The reason actually why I said that the average IQ score is always 100 is because if you’re doing an IQ test of the entire planet, then the global IQ should be 100. But Africa is 18% of the population, if you say all Africans have an IQ of 70 for example, that’s impossible because an IQ of 70 is defined as scoring lower than 98% of people. But Africans can’t score lower than 98% of people, because they’re 18% of people, so it doesn’t work, it can’t work. The only way it can work is if you’re intentionally presenting data in a misleading way to make it seem like Africans are less intelligent than they really are.
TheDarkChad joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,932
Now go ahead and do your usual bullshit demanding me to answer some bullshit question about some bullshit accusation pretending you’re superior and completely ignoring what I just said.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,933
@1,432,930 (TheDarkChad) > The reason actually why I said that the average IQ score is always 100 is because if you’re doing an IQ test of the entire planet
And here's the actual strawman.
I never said that the IQ of the continent of Africa is 70 as scored in a pool of the entire planet.
The actual study I gave in the original thread, and its follow ups, was the National Longitudinal Study of Youth. It measures African Americans in an overall group of Americans, and it didn't give African-Americans an average IQ of 70.
You called the NLSY racist, and then never explained how it was.
To distract from that, you made up a strawman (africa has 70iq) to argue against because you don't want to address the steelman (NLSY data).
TheDarkChad replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,943
@previous (D)
I said I don’t care about a random debate you had six months ago. You’re clearly an ideologically obsessed weirdo who needs to get a life.
> Because its an intelligence test, and they're less intelligent than average.
Then if you think that, why do you care if I’m not at all convinced? No matter how much data you showed me to the contrary, you could never convince me a fly is smarter than a dog. This is the same sort of thing. You’re not intelligent yourself, and I’ve met plenty of white people who are less intelligent than I am, so to me I can’t be convinced that white people are more intelligent. I already explained why it’s mathematically impossible for there to be a significant difference in IQ between blacks and whites. IQ itself can’t tell you how many x times smarter other people are than you. If you gave 50 people an IQ test, everyone got 100% of the questions right, but one person got one question wrong, that person would have an IQ of 70. On top of that, if someone scores lower on an IQ test, that doesn’t tell you much about why. You seem to think that the test is infallible, I just think differences in education lead to different outcomes and there’s nothing particularly interesting about this.
TheDarkChad triple-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,984
There’s also the problem that intelligence isn’t an innate trait that never changes. I think you’ve made yourself less intelligent by adopting a worldview that doesn’t require you to think critically about anything and completely reject different perspectives if they come from a group of people you don’t like. I think you’re stupid, but I don’t think you were born stupid, I think you made a choice.
It says Nigeria has an IQ of 92, Japan has an IQ of 106, but the normal IQ range is between 90 and 110, so they’re both within the average range. My IQ is 140, so the difference between my IQ and the average IQ in Japan is much larger than the difference in IQ between Japan and Nigeria, so it’s like, idk. I don’t see how you can necessarily make huge judgements about differences between different racial groups, given that Nigeria is significantly poorer than Japan, but they don’t really score that much lower on IQ tests. Then if you look at outcomes between Nigerian immigrants and Chinese immigrants in higher education, Nigerians perform basically equally well as far East Asians do academically. Given that IQ was invented as a way to predict academic success, if Nigerians and Chinese people score differently on IQ tests but they have virtually the same educational outcomes, that would suggest that something else is going on, probably with the validity of the test.
TheDarkChad quintuple-posted this 1 week ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,432,989
There’s also the issue that the average doesn’t tell you as much as you think it does. If hypothetically intelligence was caused by genetics, sub Saharan Africans have about a million more genetic variants than everyone else in the rest of the world does. So if hypothetically intelligence was genetic, that wouldn’t imply that if Africans score lower on average that all Africans are inferior to non-Africans. You would expect that some Africans would be significantly less intelligent and some would be significantly more intelligent. Which makes sense, because according to the IQ tests you obsess over I am significantly more intelligent than the vast majority of people in every country in the world and I’m black. So you can’t use this to prove that all Africans are inferior.
You are imagining users again. This is like that time you were certain there was someone called Anger Man who kept impersonation. So many topics about Anger Man.
POTATO NIGGER replied with this 6 days ago, 11 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#1,433,084
@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
I DO BELIEVE JUPITER HAS BECOME RETARDED EVEN BY NIGGER STANDARDS BECAUSE HE HAS NEGLECTED HIS COLLECTION OF ANALWHITE.
Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 6 days ago, 51 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#1,433,090
The African pope candidate was probably the most hardline and conservative of all the candidates and I wouldn't put it past him to try and undo Vatican II.
> The African pope candidate was probably the most hardline and conservative of all the candidates and I wouldn't put it past him to try and undo Vatican II.
Ngl, Africans are very conservative. Black people in general are very conservative. Which is confusing because we all vote democrat. Have you ever been over at a black house party before? Have you ever been to a black thanksgiving? I know black people who ran for office for the Democratic Party, you would not believe how conservative these people are.
TheDarkChad joined in and replied with this 20 hours ago, 23 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#1,434,024
@previous (V)
That’s not really the reason why. Black people tend to be pretty progressive on some things, it doesn’t really have to do with wealth, it’s more of their take on Protestant Christianity. Technically most of them aren’t evangelical, but they have the whole very conservative, very literal interpretation of the Bible thing going on.
TheDarkChad replied with this 20 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#1,434,026
@previous (V)
No that’s not the reason why. Most black Americans are Protestant because the United States was originally settled by the English who are Protestant. They’re Protestants because the slave owners were Protestant. In Africa, there are places like the DRC for example where most of black people in the DRC (weird way of phrasing it when practically everybody there is black) are Catholic.
TheDarkChad double-posted this 20 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#1,434,027
In the United States, most of the Catholics are from Irish or Italian descent. Which is ironic because there are a lot of Irish Americans in the north who have ancestors that fought against the confederacy, but there aren’t many black Catholics because they were originally converted by the slave owners, not by Irish or Italian or Polish immigrants.
TheDarkChad triple-posted this 20 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#1,434,029
Also, Catholics are a minority in the United States, but Latin America was colonized by Spain and Portugal, so the Americas actually have a lot of Catholics, the US is kind of an oddball.