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Topic: “Facts over Feelings”

Anonymous A started this discussion 1 hour ago #134,504

Such a bizarre phrase. That used to have some meaning but got bastardized by debatebros engaging pseudo-intellectual discourse looking to get a “win”.

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #1,431,706

But I guess in the case of left leaning people, they fuel the right in having it co-opted as a rhetorical cudgel. The move became label whatever you believe as “facts,” label whatever the other person feels as “feelings,” then declare yourself the rational one.

Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 1 hour ago, 2 minutes later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,707

There’s also a false dichotomy baked in. Emotions aren’t opposed to reason, I mean they carry real information, and ignoring them isn’t more rational, it’s just selectively blind, deaf and dumb all in one step. A person grieving a policy’s human cost isn’t being irrational. A person ignoring that cost because the spreadsheet looks clean isn’t being purely logical either no matter how you slice it.

Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 1 hour ago, 3 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,708

Also this is not an open invitation to “talk” religion or economics.

Jim from Nottingham joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 5 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,711

@previous (A)

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 39 minutes ago, 56 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,726

@1,431,706 (A)
The distinction between facts and feeling is not some subjective vibe you get in your gut.

Lefties frame everything as opinion so that the conversation doesn't come down to an actual analysis of the data and form of the argument because if it did they would fail to defend their views.

(Edited 12 seconds later.)

Darkness joined in and replied with this 20 minutes ago, 19 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,731

@previous (C)
It’s so stupid how you said it’s objective then applied it immediately to your subjective political beliefs. You’re just proving OP’s point idiot.

Anonymous C replied with this 15 minutes ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,733

@previous (Darkness)

It's leftists themselves that proclaim that everything is subjective.

It's not "my subjective beliefs" that they do this. They constantly take this position.

Darkness replied with this 13 minutes ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,734

@previous (C)
I don’t believe you.

Anonymous C replied with this 13 minutes ago, 33 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,735

@previous (Darkness)
You're a leftist and you constantly try to frame everything as subjective.

Darkness replied with this 12 minutes ago, 21 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,736

@previous (C)
Like what for instance?

Darkness double-posted this 11 minutes ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,738

I’m just gonna say it, I’ve never met a smart ideologue.

Anonymous C replied with this 8 minutes ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,739

@1,431,736 (Darkness)
Every time you mock the idea of facts over feelings.

@previous (Darkness)
Being an ideologue is contrasted with someone who draws conclusions from data and deduction.

Ideologues don't care what the data says, and they don't care if their arguments follow the rules of logic.

Darkness joined in and replied with this 1 minute ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,741

@previous (C)

> Every time you mock the idea of facts over feelings.

No I haven’t.

Anonymous C replied with this 42 seconds ago, 57 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,431,742

@previous (Darkness)
I'm glad to hear that we agree, facts are more important than feelings.
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