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Anonymous A started this discussion 3 weeks ago#134,068
This feels a bit like explaining to a child that Santa clause isn’t real, but Americans and / or Europeans will never colonize Africa again. I know white people think they have nuclear weapons and aircraft carriers and all of that, but it just will not happen, ever.
If you feel like arguing with this, keep waiting for it to happen, it literally just won’t fucking happen.
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,428,439
What’s a good analogy? It’s sort of like, a long time ago, 200 years ago, two guys armed with handguns robbed a bank that had one unarmed guard. And now, you want to rob the bank, and you feel more confident because now there are 7 of you, and instead of handguns you have rifles. Except, now there are 15 guards, they have handguns, and there’s no money in the vault. It’s the kind of thing where if you win you still kinda lose.
Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,428,440
If you multiply the number of people in those scenarios by about 100 million, and replace rifles with modern western military technology and replace handguns with all the AK-47s lying around in Africa, that’s basically why it’s not going to happen.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,428,442
Then on the nuclear question, nuclear weapons aren’t strategically useful. If you nuked some city in Africa, it isn’t exactly obvious what that would accomplish apart from convincing all the other African countries they need to race towards making a nuclear weapon for their survival. Then you’d have to explain to the world why you just did that, which you can’t. That would be about the most stupid thing you could possibly do.
Anonymous C double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 56 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,428,443
@1,428,441 (B)
That map is from 2009, you might want to update your information on the Sahel region. There have been a bunch of coups and now there are anti-western pro-Russian military juntas leading those countries.
Anonymous C triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,428,444
Interesting thing: Nigeria was actually against the pro Russian military juntas and threatened to invade Niger over this, and the United States bombed Nigeria under Trump.
Anonymous C replied with this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,428,447
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"Neocolonialism" isn’t the same thing as colonialism. Neocolonialism is just western resource extraction from Africa. It’s not comparable to what actual colonialism was. Neocolonialism is backfiring in that it’s been inspiring anti-western populist authoritarian governments. Long term, it will end up doing far more damage to the west than good.
Anonymous C double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,428,448
I guess, the thing is, two things can be true at the same time. It is true that the west tries to economically exploit Africa because they see African countries as weak. It’s also true that Africans know that and they resent that, so for some people in some parts of Africa, it might start to look more appealing to turn to an authoritarian figure that promises greater independence. But the issue with that is, is the west doesn’t see those countries as important because they’re militarily weak now, but these are developing countries with much higher birth rates than developed countries that will be much larger in the future, and countries where the military controls the government tend to be dangerous. Even if there is neocolonialism in Africa, it does kind of matter whether it’s the European and American sphere of influence or the Russian and Chinese sphere of influence.
Anonymous C triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,428,449
Russia and China aren’t the same though. China is more interested in building infrastructure, Russia is more interested in pushing authoritarianism and anti-western ideology with a militaristic approach. That doesn’t matter at all if the west can provide an alternative that shows western alignment and democracy are superior. But if the west doesn’t do that, and instead the west looks down on Africans, acts like they can do whatever they want, and sees them as an uncivilized threat, that’s not going to turn out well.
Anonymous C quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 49 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,428,450
But it’s like, what’s a democratic country in Africa that is sort of western, that would be the most obvious to be a strong American ally in terms of ideology? South Africa. How’s that going? Not good. Just saying.
Anonymous C quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 17 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,428,451
Then there’s also the issue where in the 22nd century, due to the low birth rates in Europe, the Americas, and Asia, Africa will be the last continent to have a demographic decline. Based on the examples of the countries leading in the demographic decline (Japan), it could be possible that economic growth in develop countries stops at a certain point.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 4 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,501
It already has been recolonised, mostly by the Chinese.@1,428,447 (C)
> "Neocolonialism" isn’t the same thing as colonialism. Neocolonialism is just western resource extraction from Africa. It’s not comparable to what actual colonialism was.
Correct. Actual colonialism brought civilization, proper systems of government, order to chaos, culture, education, healthcare and wealth to Africa. Neocolonialism is just resource rape.
> This feels a bit like explaining to a child that Santa clause isn’t real, but Americans and / or Europeans will never colonize Africa again. I know white people think they have nuclear weapons and aircraft carriers and all of that, but it just will not happen, ever. > > If you feel like arguing with this, keep waiting for it to happen, it literally just won’t fucking happen.
Nobody wants to. Not after Somalia where people trying to feed those idiots were murdered, mutilated, and dragged through the streets. A couple weeks before that Pakistani peacekeepers were waylaid, had their eyes gouged out and their genitalia ripped off by the hordes. Fortunately, a couple days after the Pakistanis returned to the crime scene and opened fire. The tragedy was that they didn’t level Mogadishu. A further tragedy that the US brought 60,000 to the States where most still subsist on welfare 39 years later.
No Western power wants to deal with the permutations of African state formation. That typically involves Liberia behaviors where teenagers in wedding dresses and wigs mutilate civilians. Or Sudanese gang rape aid workers.
In sum, European efforts to bring civilization didn’t take.
> It already has been recolonised, mostly by the Chinese.@1,428,447 (C) > > > "Neocolonialism" isn’t the same thing as colonialism. Neocolonialism is just western resource extraction from Africa. It’s not comparable to what actual colonialism was. > > Correct. Actual colonialism brought civilization, proper systems of government, order to chaos, culture, education, healthcare and wealth to Africa. Neocolonialism is just resource rape.
Who would bother trying to bring the rest? You feed a moron who can’t feed his six kids and … a decade later each of his kids have ten kids they can’t feed.
It’s annoying when people just say racist stuff as a gut reaction to talking about non-western countries because it makes you uncomfortable. Somalia is a tiny country, and if the only thing you know about Africa is from Nick Shirley, then you’re so low IQ it’s not even worth continuing this conversation.
Anonymous H double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,518
Also the points about Islam and civilization are both idiotic. African civilization is much older than European civilization, Europeans didn’t civilize Africa, they did things that today we would classify as crimes against humanity (the UN recently officially recognized this). Africa also isn’t a majority Muslim continent, there’s a lot of religious diversity in Africa, some Africans are Muslim, some are Christian, some are neither.
Anonymous H triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,521
And it should be obvious that colonialism was bad. If the Chinese sent their navy to the United States, killed the president, threw out our constitution, made it illegal to educate Americans, told everybody around the world that Americans can’t read and are biologically stupid, forced us to work in mines and cut our hands off for not working hard enough, then shipped some of us back to mainland China to work as slaves, banned us from practicing Christianity and made us speak Mandarin, you wouldn’t say the Chinese are "civilizing" America. And you know that, but you’re just lying because lying makes you feel good and you’re too sensitive to admit what Europe actually did.
Anonymous I double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 9 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,543
I just find it hard to believe somebody who knows a lot about Africa would bring up a country of 19 million people every time somebody talks about a continent with 1.5 billion people and more specifically only bring up something a YouTuber said about immigrants from that country in American cities. That seems like something someone who doesn’t know anything about Africa other than from one YouTuber would say. It’s like if two people in China were having a conversation about Europe and then one Chinese person was like, "Don’t you know there are immigrants from Estonia in China who are doing crypto scams? Why do we import people from this backwards culture?" Reducing Africa down to just Somalia and reducing Somalia down to just immigrants in the United States and reducing Somali immigrants in the United States down to something you saw one guy talk about in a damn YouTube video is incredibly stupid.
Anonymous I triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 9 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,545
And even trying to pretend that a culture or a race is inferior because of fraud is dumb. I mean come on, do you really think that’s the worst thing anyone of any race has ever done? Don’t you think what Adolf Hitler did is way worse? It makes no sense to say African culture is worse than European culture because Africans commit fraud. Europeans also commit fraud and Europeans have also committed genocides. The only reason to frame it that way and pretend that white Europeans don’t do similar things is if you’re trying to push some kind of anti black racial agenda. Not everyone is as stupid as you are and plenty of people can see through the obvious propaganda bullshit.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,547
Fine, OP. Africa is on the verge of becoming a futuristic utopia. And when they do, they'll invite you on to their spaceships because you're black, and then they'll blow up all of the white people who made fun of you. Is that what you wanted to hear?
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,548
@previous (J)
I’m not racist against white people. It’s like you think if blacks and whites are equal all of the sudden blacks will start treating whites terribly.
Anonymous K double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,549
I don’t want Africa to control Europe or Europe to control Africa. I want a global order where there’s mutual respect for international law and countries respect human rights and human dignity. I want that because that’s what anyone should want if you’re a good person.
Anonymous K triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,550
Also, on the topic of space, humanity as a whole is extremely primitive in this regard. Less than a thousand humans have ever been to space in all of history. The barrier to space is mostly economic. The United States currently is the only country with the capability of sending humans to lunar orbit, and they only can send four at a time. The United States can do that because we have the largest economy out of any country in the world, but even with our economy we can just barely do that. I think it is more likely if you consider that there are about half a trillion stars in our galaxy, a million is a tenth of a percent of a billion, and we have hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy. It is possible that there are civilizations that are far more advanced than we are. We currently do not have the capability to send any object to another star system within a human lifetime. We can’t send people, we can’t send a robot, we can’t send a grain of sand.
Anonymous K quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,551
Especially if you consider the following facts:
- the universe is 13.8 billion years old, the Earth is 4.5 billion years old leaving 9.3 billion years before the Earth formed
- there have been three generations of stars meaning there were two generations of stars that lived and died before the sun
- Homo sapiens have only been around for 300,000 years
- the first civilizations began within the past 10,000 years
- humans have only been industrial for a couple hundred years
What do you think the odds are that we would have a chance against a civilization that was say a thousand years older than we are? What about a million years older than we are? What about a civilization that’s a billion years older?
Anonymous K quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 12 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,552
Even in terms of human civilization, in the grand scheme of things, Africa isn’t actually that far behind Europe and the United States if you look at it from a larger perspective. Africa today is far more advanced than Europe was when Europe colonized Africa.
> I just find it hard to believe somebody who knows a lot about Africa would bring up a country of 19 million people every time somebody talks about a continent with 1.5 billion people and more specifically only bring up something a YouTuber said about immigrants from that country in American cities. That seems like something someone who doesn’t know anything about Africa other than from one YouTuber would say. It’s like if two people in China were having a conversation about Europe and then one Chinese person was like, "Don’t you know there are immigrants from Estonia in China who are doing crypto scams? Why do we import people from this backwards culture?" Reducing Africa down to just Somalia and reducing Somalia down to just immigrants in the United States and reducing Somali immigrants in the United States down to something you saw one guy talk about in a damn YouTube video is incredibly stupid.
We could talk about the basket cases that are CAR and Guinea, the kleptocratic dysfunction that leaves South Africa without a stable power grid or a functional Air Force, the DRC factions that eat pygmies and wear human intestines as adornments, Zimbabwe trying to come out of its long headache with Mugabe, Angola struggling despite a long-ended civil war and a bounty of wonderful farmland, minerals, and oil.
But it comes down to greedy elites and their proxies who get theirs and don’t care if it’s the French, Chinese, or someone else paying them as long as they get theirs to sell their countries’ independence and future.
Maybe there’s a sidebar about the development aid grift that has elites siphon money into Swiss bank accounts and pay off their allies. But the NGO gets to continue as an institution and can run ads about kids who carry water all day.
> Even in terms of human civilization, in the grand scheme of things, Africa isn’t actually that far behind Europe and the United States if you look at it from a larger perspective. Africa today is far more advanced than Europe was when Europe colonized Africa.
Anonymous K triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,560
You know how when you learn about history they talk about the strategic bombing in World War Two, how the allies firebombed German and Japanese cities? You never wondered why despite viewing Africans as inferior, there was no strategic bombing of African cities when Africa was colonized? It’s not because the Europeans decided not to out of the goodness of their hearts, it’s because they didn’t have Air Forces yet.
Anonymous K quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,561
The truth is that there is no reason why any of the technology in the west can’t be created in Africa. The laws of physics are exactly the same in Africa as they are in Europe. It’s simply down to economics. But economics change over time.
Anonymous K quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,562
Now you can say African countries have worse planes in their air forces than Europe does, you can say they have fewer planes in their air forces. But what you can’t say, is that Africa is less technologically advanced now than Europe was when Europe colonized Africa. That’s just not true, it’s super obvious. There are so many technologies Africa has now that Europe didn’t have when Europe colonized Africa.
Anonymous K sextuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,563
And actually that’s the reason why Europe can’t recolonize Africa. Europe had technological superiority over Africa when they had gunpowder and Africans didn’t. The gap today is smaller than it was in the past to the point it’s infeasible for Europe to try to hold significant territory in Africa.
Meta joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,428,571
@previous (B)
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Squidward Tentacles joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,428,657
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The point is you hate America because you’re a terrorist sympathizer who wants nuclear war because your cult leader told you you’re going to get 72 virgins when you die fighting against the west.
> The point is you hate America because you’re a terrorist sympathizer who wants nuclear war because your cult leader told you you’re going to get 72 virgins when you die fighting against the west.
Thanks for proving the point. Take your meds, sperg.