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Topic: the problem of run down urban areas and how to renew them had been solved decades ago

boof started this discussion 1 month ago #133,890

improve communities by destroying them. this was a staple of the urban renewal push of the times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsSjVX8Iyuk

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 11 hours later[^] [v] #1,426,616

Simply deport niggers. This isnt going to solve the problem overnight cuz its not that simple, but without the overweight monkey on their backs the real problems can honestly begin to be addressed.

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 29 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,620

@previous (B)

> Simply deport niggers. This isnt going to solve the problem overnight cuz its not that simple, but without the overweight monkey on their backs the real problems can honestly begin to be addressed.

Racists are all talk no action. Saying the south shall rise again for 160 years, never get up off their fat asses.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,621

@previous (C)
> These dumb white people, they're awful and useless and I'll never leave the white country because black countries are so great that I have to stay in a white country

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,623

@previous (D)
Why did white people leave their white countries and flood into Africa when nobody asked them to?

boof (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,625

@1,426,621 (D)
have you tried complaining about blacks at forums especially created for that purpose?

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 55 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,627

Why do white people want to live in Africa so bad that even when Trump said they could come to America they didn’t leave?

https://youtu.be/kKsOhdguH20

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 15 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,628

@1,426,623 (C)
The official story was usually to bring Christ and civilization, plus trade opportunities.

Those countries flourished under colonial rule.

Anonymous D double-posted this 1 month ago, 15 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,629

@1,426,625 (boof)
What am I doing now?

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 41 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,630

@1,426,628 (D)
African civilization is twice as old as European civilization so that doesn’t make any sense.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,631

@previous (C)
Liberal use of the term civilization.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 17 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,632

@1,426,628 (D)

> Those countries flourished under colonial rule.

Have you seen pictures of what white people did in the Belgian Congo? They were cutting people’s arms off. When white peoples came to Africa, all they did is murder and rape and enslave the local population, but their genocide was unsuccessful.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 42 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,633

@1,426,631 (D)

> Liberal use of the term civilization.

Colonization is liberal in what sense?

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 44 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,635

@1,426,632 (C)
Belgians are essentially Dutch, how about using a fair example?

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 41 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,636

@previous (D)

> Belgians are essentially Dutch

And?

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,638

@previous (C)
If you are saying that the Dutch are a degenerate and malicious force in the world, I wholeheartedly agree.

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Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 23 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,639

@1,426,630 (C)

> African civilization is twice as old as European civilization so that doesn’t make any sense.

BTW, Egypt is twice as old as Rome. The pyramids were built before the last population of wooly mammoths went extinct on wrangel island.

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Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,640

@previous (C)
Egyptians aren't black either.

Middle easterners have accomplished great societies.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 33 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,641

@previous (D)
Black Africans built twice as many pyramids as the Egyptians.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 16 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,643

There are more pyramids in Sudan than Egypt.

Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,645

Sub Saharan Africa and Northern Africa weren’t isolated from each other, there are cultural similarities. We’re both African.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 5 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,646

@1,426,632 (C)

> > Those countries flourished under colonial rule.
>
> Have you seen pictures of what white people did in the Belgian Congo? They were cutting people’s arms off. When white peoples came to Africa, all they did is murder and rape and enslave the local population, but their genocide was unsuccessful.

It wasn’t intended as genocide. It was a disgusting form of exploitation. King Leopold was a standout with his pretenses of philanthropy.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 8 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,647

@1,426,641 (C)
And no one calls them great, lol.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,648

@previous (D)
Westerners just know more about Egypt because Egypt is located closer to Europe. That doesn’t mean Egypt was the only ancient civilization in Africa.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,649

@previous (C)
They know more about Egypt because Egypt has massive pyramids and was the greatest civilization in the world for a long time.

Sudan was never the leading country.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,650

@previous (D)
If you’re talking about ancient Sudan you should refer to them as Kushites not as Sudanese.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 40 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,651

@previous (C)
The Kushites* never amounted to a leading power worth widespread interest.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 55 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,652

@previous (D)
They directly competed with the Egyptians. They actually conquered Egypt.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,653

@1,426,649 (D)

> Sudan was never the leading country.

I can’t get over how stupid this makes you look. If you only care about dominance and nothing else, I’ve never met anyone smart who thinks about things that way. It’s incredibly shallow.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,654

@1,426,652 (C)
When they conquered Egypt, the kushites had not yet entered the Iron age, whereas the Assyrians were fully there.

It's impressive the conquered Egypt, taking advantage of political division leaving Egypt at a weak point, but they were still far behind other countries of the same time.

Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 7 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,655

@1,426,641 (C)

> Black Africans built twice as many pyramids as the Egyptians.

I had a friend who traveled from Khartoum to Meroe. About four hours. There are hundreds of Kushite Kingdom pyramids. They took camels the last few miles in and camped for a few days. The pictures look amazing. I’d love to go but Sudan is a mess right now.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,656

@1,426,653 (C)
LOL.

I am talking about their technological development, and you are using conquering Egypt as your example. Hypocrite.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,658

And on the Christianity thing, I’m a Christian myself, but you do have to look into things a little bit deeper. Christianity is similar to older religions in certain ways. For example the concept of Jesus judging the living and the dead sounds similar to the older myth of Anubis and the scale of judgement. Africans had a concept of a god judging them based on how moral they were before any of the abrahamic religions were introduced. The first monotheistic religion was also African if you look into Aten.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 28 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,659

@1,426,656 (D)
How am I a hypocrite?

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,660

@previous (C)
You used military conquest as evidence of their advancement, and then said domination is a bad way to determine who's best.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,662

@1,426,658 (C)

> And on the Christianity thing, I’m a Christian myself, but you do have to look into things a little bit deeper. Christianity is similar to older religions in certain ways. For example the concept of Jesus judging the living and the dead sounds similar to the older myth of Anubis and the scale of judgement. Africans had a concept of a god judging them based on how moral they were before any of the abrahamic religions were introduced. The first monotheistic religion was also African if you look into Aten.

To expand on this, a lot of "western" symbolism is actually African in origin. For example, there’s a pyramid on the back of an American dollar bill, the Washington Monument is an Egyptian obelisk, there is an Egyptian obelisk in the center of the Vatican, the US is represented by an eagle, because Rome was represented by an eagle. But originally, the idea of a predatory bird representing the government came from Horus which was a symbol of the authority of the pharaoh.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,663

@1,426,660 (D)

> You used military conquest as evidence of their advancement, and then said domination is a bad way to determine who's best.

I don’t believe one is better than the other. I just said they competed with Egypt and eventually conquered Egypt. Egypt also conquered Kush. These civilizations lasted for thousands of years. Claiming one was superior to the other is stupid.

Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,668

Egypt and Kush weren’t the same, but a lay person could very easily mistake Kushiro art for Egyptian and vise-versa. They were very similar cultures. They had different skin colors, but using skin color as a way to measure civilization is dumb. The modern concept of race was only invented 500 years ago by Europeans. For most of history there was no concept that Africans were inferior to Europeans, in fact, Aristotle actually thought Northern Europeans were lacking in intelligence.

Anonymous C quadruple-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,669

@1,426,663 (C)
For example, if somebody showed you this and nobody told you it wasn’t Egyptian, you’d probably assume it was Egyptian.

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/329866

Anonymous C quintuple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,670

In fact it’s even more confusing because that is a head of a Kushite king, but it was found in Egypt, because some Kushite kings were also kings of Egypt, because these two civilizations despite being different "races" are really pretty similar. It’s like saying Japan and China are totally different, it’s stupid.

Anonymous C sextuple-posted this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,673

And the thing about "the Egyptians weren’t black" given how closely related they were to the Kushites and given sometimes the Kushites and the Egyptians were unified, sometimes under a Kushite king, sometimes under an Egyptian king, some of the ancient Egyptians actually probably were black. Not a majority of them, but they’re in Africa, they’re right there. It’s not unlikely at all.

Anonymous C septuple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,675

But really that should be obvious because think about modern Africa. White people are always afraid of Islam. How come there are Muslims in sub Saharan Africa and in North Africa if northern Africans and sub Saharan Africans have nothing to do with each other? Obviously they have something to do with each other.

Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,676

@previous (C)

> But really that should be obvious because think about modern Africa. White people are always afraid of Islam. How come there are Muslims in sub Saharan Africa and in North Africa if northern Africans and sub Saharan Africans have nothing to do with each other? Obviously they have something to do with each other.

North Africa invaded sub-Saharan Africa. Even the Fulani in northern Nigeria had Arab ancestors. Mali absorbed Ghana. And once a decade, the Tuaregs of Mali attack black Africans who then dial 911 for the French military to come help.

Only Ethiopia fully resisted the jihadist armies.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 15 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,677

@1,426,663 (C)
We can compare their cultural accomplishments and see that Egypt produced much, much more.

@1,426,668 (C)

Skin color is just one identifier for certain genetic pools, just like bone structure, smell, hair texture and so on.

Does you skin color determine your ability to metabolize alcohol or lactose? Not technically, but if you used it as a proxy you would significantly improve your ability to predict whether someone could. That's because phenotypes are correlated, if only by coincidence, even if there is no direct link between the two.

The Greeks thought non-Greeks were stupid, yes.

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Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,678

Or black Americans for example. White Americans lie and say that we were less advanced than we really were. Black Americans are from Nigeria. Nigeria wasn’t a Stone Age society, they were making tools and swords from iron before Europeans got there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_(sword)

We also had writing, and we had architecture. In the north they wrote Yoruba using Arabic script. We have a written history and we built buildings. It’s just they don’t want black Americans to learn that their ancestors built mosques and wrote in Arabic script and had swords and rode on horseback. They want us to believe we’re were stupid tribal people walking around naked with stone tools, but it’s not true.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,679

@1,426,677 (D)

> The Greeks thought non-Greeks were stupid, yes.

That’s an oversimplification. He described some non-Greeks as intelligent.

The peoples of cold countries generally, and particularly those of Europe, are full of spirit, but deficient in skill and intelligence; and this is why they continue to remain comparatively free, but attain no political development and show no capacity for governing others. The peoples of Asia are endowed with skill and intelligence, but are deficient in spirit; and this is why they continue to be a peoples of subjects and slaves. The Greek stock, intermediate in geographical position, uni tea the qualities of both sets of peoples. It possesses both spirit and intelligence: the one quality makes it continue free; the other enables it to attain the highest political development, and to show a capacity for governing every other people - if only it could once achieve political unity.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,680

@1,426,675 (C)

> White people are always afraid of Islam.

There's an obnoxious tendency on the left to say that when someone disagrees with them they are afraid. Islamaphobic, homophobic, etc.

You don't need to be afraid of Islam to see the problems it has culturally. They are against free expression, and one of the most misogynistic cultures on the planet.

Rather than stand by liberal values like free speech and women's rights, "liberals" will say that criticizing Islam— even for those specific traits— is simply bigotry.

If you abandon your principles because the people against them are darker, you don't really have those principles at all.

> How come there are Muslims in sub Saharan Africa and in North Africa if northern Africans and sub Saharan Africans have nothing to do with each other? Obviously they have something to do with each other.

What are you even asking here?

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 50 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,681

@previous (D)
If you’re not afraid of it, you would have no problem letting millions of Muslims flood in because nothing bad will happen.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 31 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,682

@1,426,680 (D)

> What are you even asking here?

Rhetorical questions are a thing.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,684

@1,426,679 (C)
That's a better way to put it, sure. What's your point in bringing up Aristotle?

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,686

@previous (D)
My point is that you disrespect Africans because you’re a white supremacist, but white supremacy didn’t exist for most of history. You’re trying to apply an ideology to an era before that ideology existed. African civilization is older than European civilization. You can argue about what race people from different African civilizations are, but none of them were white, because there were no white civilizations 5,000 years ago. Africa was significantly more advanced than Europe.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,687

@1,426,681 (C)
I just described the problems that Muslims bring.

You could describe that concern as fear, but using inflammatory language instead of refuting the point isn't the mature way to have a conversation.

Why is this "fear" unfounded? Do you deny the level of misogyny and restrictions on expression? Or do you think it's actually good?

We may never know, because eveyone who defends Islam refuses to explain why that's OK and instead acts like the problem is color.

You could prove it was shallow of you could defend the culture, but no one even ever tries to do that. How odd.

@1,426,682 (C)
Yes, so you are just saying Muslims in different regions have something in common?

Sure, but who denies that? Are you just stating something we all already know, for no reason?

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 34 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,688

In fact, Africans colonized Europe before Europeans colonized Africa, and Africans held colonies in Europe for longer than Europeans held colonies in Africa. White supremacists only focus on the last 500 years of history. The Carthaginians conquered Europe, then the Romans conquered Africa, then Islamic caliphates conquered Europe, then European colonial powers conquered Africa, and now we’re in an in-between era, but the demographics are shifting in Africa’s favor. It would be more reasonable to expect that 200 years from now there would be Africa colonies in Europe than European colonies in Africa because Africa will probably be stronger than Europe 200 years from now. This comes in cycles. Nobody is superior to anyone else.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 27 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,689

@1,426,687 (D)
Blah blah blah, you’re scared of Muslims. I’m not. I don’t have any issue with Muslims.

Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 month ago, 38 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,690

Muslims were more advanced than European Christians during the Middle Ages actually. Things can change.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 41 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,691

@1,426,686 (C)

I am saying that groups capable of rational thought are superior to those without it.

There are some phenotypes that work as a heuristic for determining that, it's simply a fact of the world that can be observed over and over. It's a general rule, not a perfect correlary.

Anonymous D double-posted this 1 month ago, 19 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,692

@1,426,689 (C)
So I was right, and you can't actually defend those aspects of the culture.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 36 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,693

@1,426,691 (D)
Everyone is capable of rational thought. I’ve said multiple times I don’t think anyone is superior to anyone else. You’re so caught up in your ideological fanaticism for white supremacy that you can’t even understand the argument I’m making.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 41 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,694

@1,426,692 (D)
I can’t defend aspects of your culture as a black person.

Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,695

Honestly I don’t even know why you bother arguing with me when it’s clear you don’t even know anything about what you’re arguing about.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 2 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,696

@1,426,690 (C)
I'll acknowledge that Muslims were culturally advanced at one point, and now are not.

I don't need to adhere to some rigid dogma, the truth has value for its own sake.

If Muslims today were still leading in mathematics and literature then you wouldn't see the same concerns about Muslim immigration.

Instead Islam is behind, people who defend Islam don't even try to defend its problems, and there is a sense of entitlement that Muslims can migrate to, and leach off of western nations.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 month ago, 43 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,697

@previous (D)
They are still advanced in mathematics and in technology, more so than you realize. Things will play out.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,698

Really the only reason why you don’t like non-whites and cultures you associate with non-whites is because you’re a racist and the west is declining. Anyone can clearly see this. You’re nothing more than a reactionary against trends you have no control over. You’re just accelerating your own decline. I’m just speaking against your delusions, and you would be better off listening to me, but you’re so prideful that you’re suicidal I guess.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 27 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,699

@1,426,693 (C)

> Everyone is capable of rational thought.

Then why is it always one side that can articulate a defense of their beliefs, and another that refuses a dialectic framing?

@1,426,694 (C)
Another post where you refuse to defend your stance with reason, and again turn it into a juvenille game.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. The vast majority of the time, my side can, and your side refuses to.

This is an easy way to see which side bases their ideas on reason, and which are simply tribal.

Anonymous D double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,700

@1,426,698 (C)
The west's decline is correlated to taking on non-western migrants.

This isn't a complex puzzle to solve.

Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 2 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,710

@1,426,630 (C)
egypt isnt niggerian, monkey creature

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 8 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,714

@1,426,700 (D)

> The west's decline is correlated to taking on non-western migrants.
>
> This isn't a complex puzzle to solve.

How retarded do you have to be to think this isn’t related to spending trillions of dollars losing the war on terror.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 2 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,749

@previous (F)
How retarded do you have to be to miss the fact that a muslim ban would have prevented 9/11?

Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 59 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,772

@previous (D)
Forcefully removing all people swarthier than greeks at the end of the civil war and STICKING TO IT would have ensured that so many problems would never happen. But nooooooo, the irish had to bring in their golems with them.

boof (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 15 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,907

the replies to the thread are often of very poor quality, folks
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