Topic: Why did Trotskyism fail?
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 month ago #133,865
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 2 hours later[^] [v] #1,426,286
Communism is the definition of failure.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,289
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,291
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> Calm down, Liberty Prime.
I’ll wait for an instance of communist success.
> Calm down, Liberty Prime.
I’ll wait for an instance of communist success.
boof joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 14 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,292
so like, is there a summary of what it even is
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,304
@previous (boof)
It's a different sort of communism that has unique approaches to the problem of the proletariats struggle.
Please don't ask any follow up questions.
It's a different sort of communism that has unique approaches to the problem of the proletariats struggle.
Please don't ask any follow up questions.
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 51 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,311
I believe it's because they drove the guy out of the country and killed all his followers and eventually also killed him with an icepick
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 22 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,315
@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
What I mean is, why did Trotskiism have that problem to begin with when other flavors of communism didn't?
What I mean is, why did Trotskiism have that problem to begin with when other flavors of communism didn't?
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 1 month ago, 4 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,335
@previous (A)
It just happened that the other side managed to get more power and they actioned a solution to prevent them from losing that power
It just happened that the other side managed to get more power and they actioned a solution to prevent them from losing that power
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,337
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 2 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,359
@1,426,335 (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
"It just happened" is a thought-terminating cliche.
God does not place dice, you are a feeble-minded fool.
"It just happened" is a thought-terminating cliche.
God does not place dice, you are a feeble-minded fool.
boof replied with this 1 month ago, 54 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,366
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 1 month ago, 2 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,372
@1,426,359 (A)
No, it could easily have happened that the internal power struggle of the Bolsheviks swung the other way
No, it could easily have happened that the internal power struggle of the Bolsheviks swung the other way
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 5 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,380
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 1 month ago, 1 hour later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,388
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,391
@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
They could have been lovers and cosecretaries but they weren't. Why?
Everything happens for a reason, even this.
If we never ask why, we never progress.
They could have been lovers and cosecretaries but they weren't. Why?
Everything happens for a reason, even this.
If we never ask why, we never progress.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,410
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,435
@previous (G)
He's remade himself, and few people have their finger on the pulse of communist factionalism because it changes so fast.
If you are really interested in that type of thing look at posadist clubs today, they've become very pro-zionist.
He's remade himself, and few people have their finger on the pulse of communist factionalism because it changes so fast.
If you are really interested in that type of thing look at posadist clubs today, they've become very pro-zionist.
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Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,502
@1,426,388 (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
> This particular power struggle was between Trotsky and Stalin after Lenin's death
Trotsky led the Red Army to victory over the Whites, or at least seized enough of food production to starve everyone into submission. Only to be brutally outmaneuvered like an amateur by Stalin, things like missing Lenin’s funeral.
Trotsky repositioned as an “intellectual” and tried to remake himself as the good guy.
> This particular power struggle was between Trotsky and Stalin after Lenin's death
Trotsky led the Red Army to victory over the Whites, or at least seized enough of food production to starve everyone into submission. Only to be brutally outmaneuvered like an amateur by Stalin, things like missing Lenin’s funeral.
Trotsky repositioned as an “intellectual” and tried to remake himself as the good guy.
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Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 16 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,671
Trotsky was an arrogant and self-aggrandizing twat and had his head in the clouds about permanent revolution. He didn’t build alliances, alienated potential friends, and didn’t capitalize on his Red Army popularity.
Stalin was a bureaucratic wizard, stacked the party’s key nodes and the secret police with his people, cut out rivals, and built an alliance with Kamanev and Zinoviev. Stalin’s feigned “socialism in one country” was a more cleverly ploy than Trotsky’s fanciful Bolshevik Bonapartism push. Certainly at that early weak point, with the New Economic Plan (Lenin) attempting recovery from the initial collapse, starvation, human meat at markets disaster of ideology meeting reality.
Stalin was a bureaucratic wizard, stacked the party’s key nodes and the secret police with his people, cut out rivals, and built an alliance with Kamanev and Zinoviev. Stalin’s feigned “socialism in one country” was a more cleverly ploy than Trotsky’s fanciful Bolshevik Bonapartism push. Certainly at that early weak point, with the New Economic Plan (Lenin) attempting recovery from the initial collapse, starvation, human meat at markets disaster of ideology meeting reality.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 6 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,426,800
Ice-picks