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Topic: Trump alienates allies then asks for help.

Anonymous A started this discussion 3 hours ago #133,790

Is surprised when the answer is no, attempts Pearl Harbor joke.

We should airdrop RFK into the Strait of Hormuz in his magical jeans and see if his superpowers activate.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 2 hours ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #1,425,354

He asked China for help.

He wants us to believe this hurts China, and he asked China for help… militarily.

Honestly, the fact that China doesn’t just invade Taiwan right now, Xi Jinping isn’t invading out of the goodness of his heart and nothing more, because if I was him, (I support self determination for Taiwan), if I was in his position, man… Taiwan? You’d never see a country disappear from the fact of the Earth so fast.

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,355

I hope this continues.

Deleverage the financial markets, push up the price of oil.

The proletariate is already on the edge, if they let standards of living fall anymore there would be riots. The elites will be forced to push up the wage floor and eat the costs.

Anonymous B replied with this 2 hours ago, 12 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,356

Imagine if China started a war and Xi Jinping said, “I dunno maybe America can help us or something?"

Beijing would be a moonscape the next day. Lol

Anonymous C replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,357

@1,425,354 (B)
It hurts China more than the US. China gets a lot of their oil from the area.

The US produces more oil than it uses. We could put up an export ban.

Anonymous B replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,358

@previous (C)
Yeah but Iran lets Chinese ships through the strait because China gives Iran intelligence and they have an economic and military alliance. Not long before the war broke out, there was actually a naval exercise with Russian, Chinese, and Iranian warships in South Africa.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,359

@previous (B)
Iran has said they will block all ships from going through to push up global prices more.

Anonymous B replied with this 2 hours ago, 25 seconds later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,360

It was a whole thing

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8x95nk72k2o

Anonymous C replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,361

@previous (B)
An article from January about South Africa?

Anonymous B replied with this 2 hours ago, 45 seconds later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,362

@1,425,359 (C)
I don’t really believe that the Iran war is secretly a strategy against China. Because sure it hurts China, it hurts Japan and South Korea more and those are us allies. They get even more of their oil from the Middle East than China does.

Anonymous B double-posted this 2 hours ago, 55 seconds later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,363

@1,425,361 (C)

> An article from January about South Africa?

The point is that there were Chinese and Iranian warships participating in naval exercises together, so Iran and China are effectively on the same side. The fact that it was in South Africa isn’t really the point. The point was that was this year.

Anonymous B triple-posted this 2 hours ago, 24 seconds later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,364

I was just linking an article to the specific naval exercises I was referring to.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,366

@1,425,363 (B)
Then why is Iran saying the next step is stopping all ships?

Anonymous B replied with this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,367

@previous (C)
Because the US is threatening to destroy Iranian power plants and take Kharg island. They need to threaten us with something to try and deter us from doing that.

Anonymous B double-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,368

Either they’re bluffing or they made some cost benefit analysis that if they can’t sell their oil to China, it’s worth it to escalate the war. Because what happens in a fight is say I have a gun, and you have a knife, and we get in an argument, then the argument escalates to a fist fight, and so on, the person who wins is the person with greater ability to escalate. So once Iran stops escalating, they lose.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 hours ago, 11 seconds later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,369

@1,425,367 (B)
Ok, so when they stop the Chinese ships that's going to hurt China too. More than the US who can put up an export ban if things bad.

Anonymous C double-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,370

@1,425,368 (B)
Ok, well Iran is attack everyone, and the US is positioned best to withstand that.

Anonymous B replied with this 2 hours ago, 58 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,371

@1,425,369 (C)
China would have objections to it, but even if they don’t have oil, China is still a nuclear armed state with 1.4 billion people, an established authoritarian system, established internet censorship, and the Chinese people are unarmed. So even if they have economic pains, I kind of doubt they’ll have a change of government, and I kind of doubt that any of the Chinese leaders will feel any pain.

Anonymous B double-posted this 2 hours ago, 26 seconds later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,372

@1,425,370 (C)
America? Maybe. The Republican Party? Eh…

Anonymous B triple-posted this 2 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,375

Although, one advantage China does have is they produce a lot of electric vehicles. So even without oil, life in China would suck, but they’d still have a civilization.

I guess the worst case scenario is China runs low on oil, and starts thinking the way the Japanese did in World War Two. Because Japan had a huge empire, but Japan doesn’t produce any oil. So they conquered other countries to take their oil. But they never had enough oil, so it became a vicious cycle. And that’s not really a great thing. (I don’t think China will do that).

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,377

Because for Japan it was basically like:

- Japan doesn’t have oil

- Japan takes country to have more oil

- now Japan needs even more oil than it needed before it did that

- Japan takes country to have more oil

…and then that just went on and on until the whole thing fell apart

Anonymous B quintuple-posted this 2 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,378

Then I think it’s also a mistake to not factor India into this. They have more people than China, and they’re not as wealthy as China, but they have nuclear weapons, and they’re mortal enemies with Pakistan which is the only Islamic country with nuclear weapons, and India gets their weapons from Russia. So if something happens in Asia, I think India would be a bigger part of that than Japan or South Korea honestly.

Anonymous B sextuple-posted this 2 hours ago, 1 minute later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,380

Idk how India factors in, but that should probably be factored in.

(Edited 10 seconds later.)

Anonymous B septuple-posted this 2 hours ago, 11 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,382

Or actually Pearl Harbor, they say it was unprovoked, but it happened because we sanctioned 90% of Japan’s oil supply.

(Edited 2 minutes later.)

Anonymous C replied with this 2 hours ago, 13 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,385

@1,425,371 (B)
Who said anything about a change in government? China will suffer economic pain, that's it.

@1,425,372 (B)
The Republicans will be fine, because millions of democratic voters have been deported and the democratic party is still wildly unpopular in the country.

The GOP doesn't need to be very popular, they just need to be more popular than the democraps.

@1,425,377 (B)
Insane oversimplification.

@1,425,378 (B)
You've said a whole lot of nothing. What does India have to do with any of this?

@1,425,380 (B)
Right, so even you realized how off-topic that was.

@previous (B)
Oh, so being cut off from oil actually does matter. Let's see how China handles it then.

(Edited 31 seconds later.)

Anonymous B replied with this 1 hour ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,395

@previous (C)
India gets about the same percentage of their oil from the strait as China does, India has a bigger population than China, and they have nuclear weapons.

Anonymous B double-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,396

@1,425,385 (C)

> millions of democratic voters have been deported

Factually incorrect.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,397

@previous (B)
man. If even a fifth of the shit that trannies screamed about actually happened that country would become a superpower within a decade.

Anonymous B replied with this 1 hour ago, 31 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,398

@previous (D)
?

Anonymous C replied with this 1 hour ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,399

@1,425,396 (B)

Oh, really?

Then explain why democrats have been pushing so hard to stop voter ID.

There's really no explanation for it besides voter fraud.

No one is too poor for it, just the opposite, thousands of dollars for government assistance per year are contingent on having one. Getting a job requires it. Driving a car reqiures it. Buying alcohol requires it. Opening a bank account requires it.

Are people really giving up thousands in government assistance for the poor because they wont spend $40? Obviously not.

Everyone knows what's going on, and the democrats can't even make up a good excuse for transparently trying to cheat.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 hour ago, 9 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,400

@1,425,398 (B)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSH_riW7V8s

Anonymous B replied with this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,401

@1,425,399 (C)

> Then explain why democrats have been pushing so hard to stop voter ID

The United States doesn’t have a national ID. It would make more sense to require ID if it was required for all Americans to have IDs, but surprisingly, it’s actually not.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 2 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,402

Good jeans. The best jeans.

Anonymous B replied with this 1 hour ago, 23 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,403

@1,425,400 (D)
Ok.

Anonymous B double-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,405

@1,425,402 (E)

> Good jeans. The best jeans.

🫡🇺🇸
https://youtu.be/feMwFuihX2o

Anonymous B triple-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,406

@1,425,401 (B)
Now why America doesn’t have a national ID, something something "freedom" something I don’t fuckin know.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 hour ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,408

@1,425,401 (B)

> The United States doesn’t have a national ID.

All 50 states issue ID, so what's your point?

> It would make more sense to require ID if it was required for all Americans to have IDs, but surprisingly, it’s actually not.

That's not true, there are already *national* laws that require ID to get a job, open a bank account, and file for benefits.

All Americans need an ID to just live a regular life.

So again, who would be obstructed from voting? No one at all, unless they were illegal. Who do you think you are fooling?

Anonymous B replied with this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,409

@previous (C)
What about married women who’s last name doesn’t match their birth certificate?

Anonymous B double-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,410

And what about US citizens who live in other countries who legally have the right to vote in American elections from abroad?

Anonymous B triple-posted this 1 hour ago, 21 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,411

You at the very least have to allow mail-in ballots from expats.

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,412

Or what about disabled people who can’t physically show up at the polls?

Anonymous B quintuple-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,413

And is there even widespread voter fraud in the first place?

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,415

@1,425,408 (C)

> > The United States doesn’t have a national ID.
>
> All 50 states issue ID, so what's your point?
>
> > It would make more sense to require ID if it was required for all Americans to have IDs, but surprisingly, it’s actually not.
>
> That's not true, there are already *national* laws that require ID to get a job, open a bank account, and file for benefits.
>
> All Americans need an ID to just live a regular life.
>
> So again, who would be obstructed from voting? No one at all, unless they were illegal. Who do you think you are fooling?

Voter ID laws would be fine. They should address access, and ensure an acceptable state ID card. A “Real ID” equivalent for $5-$10. I don’t understand how the 2.6 million people without ID interact with society.

Confining an ID requirement to drivers license would be bullshit because 30 million people don’t have one.

Anonymous B replied with this 1 hour ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,416

@previous (F)
I guess my opinion on it is voter fraud doesn’t really exist at a level that would change the result of an election, and voter ID would make it harder for some marginalized groups to vote like disabled people, but either way, I don’t think it will have the effect that republicans think it will.

Anonymous B double-posted this 1 hour ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,418

Because the thing is, illegal immigrants, removing them from the country would only help republicans if 1. illegal immigrants vote and 2. they vote democrat. Except, a lot of Hispanics voted for Trump (not all of them), but a lot of them did, and there isn’t really evidence that illegal immigrants were voting in high enough numbers that it would have changed the outcome of any election. So even if you deport all the illegal immigrants and you enforce voter ID, I don’t think that will change the outcome.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous B triple-posted this 1 hour ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,419

Then something that also matters is republican states like Texas have been using algorithms to draw voting districts that benefit republicans over democrats. But certain states like California have started doing the same and have been gerrymandering to overrepresent democratic voters over republican voters to offset republican states.

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 1 hour ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,420

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/586ec16bb3db2b558ebfec60/1517338610281-ZD622S8UBXHXJTUIZG2F/Screen%2BShot%2B2017-12-21%2Bat%2B10.51.24%2BAM.png

Anonymous B quintuple-posted this 1 hour ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,421

There are some mathematical arguments one can make against the concept of democracy…

Anonymous C replied with this 36 minutes ago, 29 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,423

@1,425,409 (B)

> What about married women who’s last name doesn’t match their birth certificate?

This is a fake issue. Bringing a state ID is more than enough, you don't need your birth certificate.

If you did, for some reason, you could also bring the court ordered name change. Or you could just keep your paperwork up to date.

@1,425,410 (B)
@1,425,412 (B)
If these were the only exceptions, then it really wouldn't be a big issue.

@1,425,413 (B)
The democrats are acting like they are doing it. Checking people for the ID they already have is really not a big requirement.

Voting is much more important than buying a beer, but we require people to have one for a beer.

@1,425,415 (F)
No state confines it to people who drive. All states have a non-driver ID.

@1,425,416 (B)
Republicans have never said disabled people need to show up in person. They only took issue with mail-in ballots for everyone.

@1,425,418 (B)
Legal hispanics voted for Trump, illegals would vote for the party that enables them to break the law.

Anonymous B replied with this 32 minutes ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,424

@previous (C)

> illegals would vote for the party that enables them to break the law.

There’s no evidence that illegal immigrants voted in large numbers.

I’ll also point out that some illegal immigrants are Trump supporters. For example the guy that was running the Trump Burger chain actually got deported.

https://youtu.be/F68A9ihE7hA

Anonymous B double-posted this 23 minutes ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,425

I also don’t really agree that the democrats were allowing illegal immigrants to break the law if you actually look up how many deportations there were under Obama.

Anonymous B triple-posted this 22 minutes ago, 54 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,426

Of course the whole narrative about illegal immigration is mostly propaganda more than a real issue that actually exists in real life.

Anonymous C replied with this 20 minutes ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,427

@1,425,424 (B)

> > illegals would vote for the party that enables them to break the law.
>
> There’s no evidence that illegal immigrants voted in large numbers.

Democrats fighting to get rid of voter ID laws at polls is evidence.

Disabled people had trouble getting to polling stations long before this was a political issue, and this really changes nothing about that.

> I’ll also point out that some illegal immigrants are Trump supporters. For example the guy that was running the Trump Burger chain actually got deported.

Then these voter ID laws might stop people voting republican too, good. All fraud should be stopped.

Anonymous B replied with this 19 minutes ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,428

@previous (C)

> Democrats fighting to get rid of voter ID laws at polls is evidence.

No it’s not, we live in a two party system. The democrats oppose almost every idea republicans have.

Anonymous B double-posted this 16 minutes ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,429

You have said before that you’re a racist. So you probably think that illegal immigrants are mostly Hispanic and that Hispanic people aren’t white, but Hispanic people are just people from countries that speak Spanish and were colonized by Spain, which is a white European country. So this whole thing is sort of dumb even from a racist perspective.

Anonymous B triple-posted this 15 minutes ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,430

Like Hispanic isn’t really a race. That would be sort of like saying the English language and its speakers are a race.

Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 14 minutes ago, 58 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,431

…although racism itself isn’t exactly high IQ.

Anonymous B quintuple-posted this 8 minutes ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,433

When they say the white population is shrinking in the US, they’ll always say "white non-Hispanic” in the graph… because there are also white hispanics.

Anonymous C replied with this 3 minutes ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,434

@1,425,428 (B)
Then the democrats got played, and made it look like they support fraud without a good reason.

It's a question of "Are the cheating, or are they stupid?". I don't have an answer to that.

Anonymous B replied with this 2 minutes ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,435

@previous (C)

> Then the democrats got played, and made it look like they support fraud without a good reason.

You’re a republican, democratic voters have the opposite view on this. It appeals to the base, which you’re not a part of.

Anonymous B double-posted this 53 seconds ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,425,436

If you want to know what democrats think about voter ID:

https://youtu.be/_zBrlVHhItw


https://youtu.be/PW5sijmU3WM
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