Topic: Doversity in Nigeria, 96% homosexuality morally wrong, 1% say it's moral
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 month ago #133,745
3% say not a moral issue.B l a c k M a n joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later[^] [v] #1,424,576
Yeah, the guy saying gay stuff under my username is a white guy impersonating me. If any of these low IQ racists bothered talking to black people in real life, they’d realize a lot of black people who vote democrat every single time are as homophobic as Russians.
B l a c k M a n double-posted this 1 month ago, 53 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,577
Not me though, I can’t be homophobic, I’ve been to Europe.
B l a c k M a n triple-posted this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,580
Nigeria has about 100 million Muslims and 100 million Christians and very few atheists. So it is a diverse country and there are still people who practice traditional African religions there like Yoruba religion. But even though Nigeria is diverse it is a religious country.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 12 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,584
@previous (B l a c k M a n)
It's not very ideologically diverse if pnly 1% view homosexuality as morally acceptable.
In a truly diverse country you would see people on both sides of the issue.
It's not very ideologically diverse if pnly 1% view homosexuality as morally acceptable.
In a truly diverse country you would see people on both sides of the issue.
B l a c k M a n replied with this 1 month ago, 5 minutes later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,587
@previous (A)
I mean, it’s not a one party state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_(Nigeria)
I mean, it’s not a one party state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_(Nigeria)
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,590
@previous (B l a c k M a n)
6 parties, but no one believes it's morally acceptable to love who you want.
6 parties, but no one believes it's morally acceptable to love who you want.
B l a c k M a n replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,591
The homophobia definitely isn’t great, but Nigeria is very diverse. They’re pretty much all the same race and pretty much all of them are religious, but there are a lot of different languages and ethnicities and cultures there. It was more than one country before the British colonized it and then the British drew borders that don’t have anything to do with the ethnic / religious boundaries which led to a civil war after their independence.
B l a c k M a n double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,592
Some of the different ethnicities in Nigeria still have their pre colonial monarchies. For example, Edo state in Nigeria which is populated by the Edo people still have an Oba of Benin which was basically the king of the Benin Empire which was its own country. Which is kind of interesting actually.
B l a c k M a n triple-posted this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,593
I guess with Islam it’s sort of a mixed bag because there’s terrorism in the north now and religion certainly influences homophobic views. Although 96% of Nigerians aren’t Islamic so you can’t blame it on only Islam. But if you look into pre colonial Nigerian history, they used to write Yoruba using Arabic script. And people in the west tend to think sub Saharan Africans didn’t have a written history, which isn’t really true. So Islam, even though it has its problems it is something that’s significant to the history of Nigeria.
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B l a c k M a n quadruple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,594
Although it wasn’t the only writing system, there are others like Nsibidi that are just native to sub Saharan Africa. So they had writing before Muslims or Christians colonized them.
B l a c k M a n quintuple-posted this 1 month ago, 27 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,597
I guess the fact that it’s diverse makes it hard to say blanket statements. They’re mostly homophobic and mostly religious, but they don’t all practice the same religion, and they don’t all speak the same language, and they’re not all the same ethnicity. So it’s hard to say why they’re homophobic more than something "religion." Idk.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 16 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,601
If 99% of them would never call homosexuality morally acceptable then that's a shallow meaningless diversity.
In a truly diverse group you would never see such uniformity.
In a truly diverse group you would never see such uniformity.
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B l a c k M a n joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 5 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,608
I want to try Baki walking only we’re all in assless chaps. It’s not gay if there’s no penetration. I mean, the Japanese do all kinds of weird sex stuff and have vending machines with panties.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 59 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,610
It is very immoral and gross.
B l a c k M a n joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,619
@1,424,608 (B l a c k M a n)
> I want to try Baki walking only we’re all in assless chaps. It’s not gay if there’s no penetration. I mean, the Japanese do all kinds of weird sex stuff and have vending machines with panties.
If you’re trying to impersonate me why would you use British slang when I’m American?
> I want to try Baki walking only we’re all in assless chaps. It’s not gay if there’s no penetration. I mean, the Japanese do all kinds of weird sex stuff and have vending machines with panties.
If you’re trying to impersonate me why would you use British slang when I’m American?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,620
@1,424,610 (D)
Yes, but we're talking about whether Nigeria has ideological diversity or conformity.
Diversity means you have some gross degenerates and some with sexual hygeine. Not everyone in one of those groups.
Yes, but we're talking about whether Nigeria has ideological diversity or conformity.
Diversity means you have some gross degenerates and some with sexual hygeine. Not everyone in one of those groups.
B l a c k M a n replied with this 1 month ago, 43 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,621
@1,424,601 (A)
> If 99% of them would never call homosexuality morally acceptable then that's a shallow meaningless diversity.
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> In a truly diverse group you would never see such uniformity.
The diversity of Nigeria isn’t shallow or meaningless. They speak multiple different languages and have different religions. Their views on homosexuality is only one aspect of their culture. Obviously there are similarities between different cultures that are geographically located next to each other. Most Chinese people and Japanese people have the same views on firearms, does that mean the differences between Chinese and Japanese culture are "shallow and meaningless?"
> If 99% of them would never call homosexuality morally acceptable then that's a shallow meaningless diversity.
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> In a truly diverse group you would never see such uniformity.
The diversity of Nigeria isn’t shallow or meaningless. They speak multiple different languages and have different religions. Their views on homosexuality is only one aspect of their culture. Obviously there are similarities between different cultures that are geographically located next to each other. Most Chinese people and Japanese people have the same views on firearms, does that mean the differences between Chinese and Japanese culture are "shallow and meaningless?"
B l a c k M a n double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,622
@1,424,620 (A)
> Yes, but we're talking about whether Nigeria has ideological diversity or conformity.
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> Diversity means you have some gross degenerates and some with sexual hygeine. Not everyone in one of those groups.
Are you implying people who support gay rights are gross degenerates?
> Yes, but we're talking about whether Nigeria has ideological diversity or conformity.
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> Diversity means you have some gross degenerates and some with sexual hygeine. Not everyone in one of those groups.
Are you implying people who support gay rights are gross degenerates?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,624
@1,424,621 (B l a c k M a n)
They don't have a common language to communicate with and definitionally have heretics regardless of who is right?
Wow, I'm sold!
They don't have a common language to communicate with and definitionally have heretics regardless of who is right?
Wow, I'm sold!
B l a c k M a n joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 18 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,627
@previous (A)
Nation states that only have one cultural are artificial and a relatively modern concept. In Europe, Germany wasn’t unified until the late 1800s, the Holy Roman Empire had a very complex feudal system that wasn’t fully unified as one country, and it used to be / sort of still is people spoke multiple languages in a lot of European countries.
Not all Chinese people speak Mandarin actually, there are multiple Chinese languages including Cantonese, Shanghainese, etc.
Nation states that only have one cultural are artificial and a relatively modern concept. In Europe, Germany wasn’t unified until the late 1800s, the Holy Roman Empire had a very complex feudal system that wasn’t fully unified as one country, and it used to be / sort of still is people spoke multiple languages in a lot of European countries.
Not all Chinese people speak Mandarin actually, there are multiple Chinese languages including Cantonese, Shanghainese, etc.
B l a c k M a n double-posted this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,628
Most Nigerians are multilingual, they’ll at least be able to speak their own language (Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo, etc.) and English, so most of them are at least bilingual, but a lot of them can speak multiple Nigerian languages and English. My point isn’t they can’t communicate with each other, they can and do. My point is, these are distinct cultures that are as different as say France and Germany, but in the same country. Which makes sense because Nigeria has as many people as France, Germany, and Italy combined.
B l a c k M a n triple-posted this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,629
Before colonization, Nigeria wasn’t one country, there were multiple kingdoms like to Oyo Empire and the Benin Empire for example. They had different languages, were ruled by different monarchs, had slightly different systems of government, different religions, and separate militaries, and would write using different scripts. Nigeria is a diverse country, just because it’s racially homogenous and they tend to have similar views on topics related to religion like homosexuality doesn’t mean they’re not diverse. In the west people like to pretend Islam is more different from Christianity than it actually is, but Christianity and Islam both originate from the Middle East, they’re both Abrahamic religions, and they both believe in Jesus. You can think of Islam more as an extension of Christianity in that Muslims believe in Jesus, but they also follow the Quran and believe that the Bible was corrupted (which isn’t my view it’s theirs). But objectively, Muslims and Christians tend to have some overlap in terms of their views on morality. It’s just that Muslim countries in the modern era tend to be more conservative. But in Europe for example, if you read about the crusades or the Spanish Inquisition or the Jewish ghettos in Rome, Christianity wasn’t always a tolerant religion. Medieval Christians waged holy war against the Muslims and Jews in Israel / Palestine under the direction of the pope at least 8 times, possibly 9 times.
B l a c k M a n quadruple-posted this 1 month ago, 40 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,630
This whole thing that Christians aren’t homophobic is a recent development, a good one, but Christianity and Islam traditionally were very similar in this regard.
B l a c k M a n quintuple-posted this 1 month ago, 5 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,633
Or even in Britain for example. Ireland isn’t British, although for 800 years it was under British occupation, and for a long time most Irish people spoke Irish instead of English even though it was all one country back then. Even now there are some Welsh speakers in the UK. Most countries were never originally homogenous, but were made to be more homogenous over time through government policy favoring a more dominant culture in order to more easily control people. It also has to do with the rise of nationalist ideology, which was invented as a way to get people to fight for their countries. That’s a relatively modern idea even though modern nationalists see it as a primitivist idea that going back to the past means returning to nationalism. But if you were to look at medieval Europe or ancient Europe, you would find nationalism wasn’t really a concept. In ancient Europe, apart from sRome, Northern Europe was still mostly tribal. But they didn’t have actual centralized nation states yet.
B l a c k M a n sextuple-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,634
In fact, the concept of Germany as a unified country only dates back to the 1870s. Which is actually younger than the United States. Before that, it was never unified as one country. So the fact that Nigeria is one country with many cultures isn’t really terribly strange if you look back at history, that’s how most nations were for most of history.
B l a c k M a n joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 16 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,637
Although, one of the ironies about the whole religion thing and civilization thing, is Europeans brought Christianity to Africa to "civilize" them. But if you look at how old civilizations are in different parts of the world, the great irony of that is that African civilization is actually far older than European civilization. The pyramids for example were actually built before the last population of woolly mammoths went extinct on Wrangel Island in Russia. Ancient Egypt began about 5,000 years ago, while Rome only began about 2,700 years ago, so the Egyptians were roughly as ancient to the Romans as the Romans are to us. So now Europeans saying that Africans are more backwards because they’re more religious when Christianity was brought to Africa by Europeans is an additional layer of irony on top of that. And even in sub sharan Africa, if you look into the Nok culture, there’s evidence of civilization in Nigeria 3,500 years ago, which is older than Rome actually and was an Iron Age society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nok_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nok_culture
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Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 24 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,642
B l a c k M a n replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,643
@previous (D)
> It is a perversion that goes against the natural obligation.
You’re doing that one meme aren’t you?
> It is a perversion that goes against the natural obligation.
You’re doing that one meme aren’t you?
B l a c k M a n double-posted this 1 month ago, 39 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,644
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 46 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,650
It is kinda ironic though that conservatives in the west are always fear mongering about the only countries where most people are conservative.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 month ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,659
@previous (H)
> You both want the limited resources, why can't you get along despite having that in common??
So fucking braindead.
> You both want the limited resources, why can't you get along despite having that in common??
So fucking braindead.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 21 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,668
Anonymous I double-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,669
@1,424,659 (A)
> > You both want the limited resources, why can't you get along despite having that in common??
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> So fucking braindead.
That's an interesting question, but rather than answer that I have a quote from a book that's over 300 years old! 😮
It's from Isaac Watts' Logic, or the Right Use of Reason, specifically inthe Sophisms section:
> Some persons dress up a poor weak Man of Straw, and then cudgel him soundly; whereas the true question is not once touched.
That quote reminded me of you!
> > You both want the limited resources, why can't you get along despite having that in common??
>
> So fucking braindead.
That's an interesting question, but rather than answer that I have a quote from a book that's over 300 years old! 😮
It's from Isaac Watts' Logic, or the Right Use of Reason, specifically inthe Sophisms section:
> Some persons dress up a poor weak Man of Straw, and then cudgel him soundly; whereas the true question is not once touched.
That quote reminded me of you!
Anonymous I triple-posted this 1 month ago, 11 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,424,670
Tbh idk why he thought a 300 year old book sounds old.