Anonymous C double-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,424,429
Ireland has an economic output that’s almost 4 times higher per person than Japan. But people on the internet will praise Japan for their anti immigrant stance and make fun of Ireland when the Irish economy is way, way better than the Japanese economy.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 56 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,434
> The theory that importing Muslims is bad for the economy
That's not the reason people give for their opposition to muslim immigration.
The actual reasons tend to be things like: their culture is incompatible with western values, and that the more that are imported the more western countries will start to look like the Islamic countries those people left.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 45 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,439
Doesn't Ireland have a tax haven system for companies like Facebook? That's where the high GDP is. But if you did the ratio of 16 to 13 inch MacBooks at universities you'd probably find Japan and Ireland had the same number.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 2 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,464
@1,424,434 (D)
The idea that Islam isn’t compatible with western values is incompatible with the American constitution which guarantees freedom of religion as a human right in the first amendment.
Anonymous G double-posted this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,466
It doesn’t even make sense to say that western culture is better than Islamic culture really. Because which culture is the best depends on who you are. If you’re black for instance, the people who treat you the best aren’t white people, so I wouldn’t categorize western culture as the best culture.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 38 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,468
Really people who get too obsessed with western culture always came off as pretentious to me. It’s some fantastical idea of Greek and Roman statues carved from white marble and wise men who were great thinkers. But a lot of the ideas and inventions that exist in the west happened first in other places. The birthplace of civilization is the Middle East not Europe. You can find plenty of Chinese and Arab and Indian philosophers and mathematicians and they had their own ideas about governance, their own inventions etc. The only reason why some people in the west believe that other civilizations have inferior histories is because they never bothered learning about anything non-western. But if they did they would realize that the west isn’t really all that social. The west didn’t invent civilization. That version of history is a lie.
You could have two separate societies, and let people choose which to live in.
You can't have a liberal democratic society if a growing portion of the population plans to vote those values away in favor of religious fundamentalism.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 49 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,472
@1,424,468 (G)
It's not pretentious to want to preseve the values of your society.
If you believe in freedom of speech, and women's rights, and religious tolerance (to the most practical extent) you can't just allow a culture opposed to all of that to immigrate and multiply until your society is gone.
> You can't have a liberal democratic society if a growing portion of the population plans to vote those values away in favor of religious fundamentalism.
You mean Protestant evangelical Christians who think we need to start a war to end the world to bring the rapture?
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 8 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,475
@1,424,472 (D)
It is incredibly pretentious if to "preserve the value of your society" you have to lie and say your society invented things it didn’t invent and lie and say other people are inferior because they were too stupid to invent things that they actually invented before you did.
Anonymous G double-posted this 1 month ago, 47 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,476
@1,424,474 (D)
I’m not insulting you by saying I’d never consider you to be a friend. I’ve met Muslims who are more tolerant than you. There’s no insult there, I’m just telling the truth of the matter.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 0 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,481
In the United States, there is freedom of religion, and people are allowed to participate in government no matter what their religious background is, it’s in the first amendment of the constitution. Freedom of religion is protected by freedom of speech. In China they don’t have freedom of speech and they practice state atheism, which sounds like is what you prefer.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 34 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,483
@1,424,480 (D)
Liberal democracy is characterized by individual rights that you’re saying you don’t believe in. You’re advocating for something that would be illegal under the American constitution. You can’t stop someone from voting as an American citizen because of their religious background. That is directly against the constitution of the United States.
Anonymous G quadruple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,486
What makes you an American, is you were born here or you were naturalized and you believe in the principles of the constitution. If you don’t believe in the constitution, you’re not an American. It’s as simple as that. You can talk about this imaginary country called "western" I don’t live in the United States of Western Civilization, I’m American, we have a constitution, if you don’t agree with the constitution, you’re not American as far as I’m concerned.
Anonymous G quintuple-posted this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,487
From the American Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
That is the ideology that the United States was founded on, if you don’t believe that, then you don’t believe in the United States. It’s as simple as that.
> The point being made isn't even that simple. > > You could have two separate societies, and let people choose which to live in. > > You can't have a liberal democratic society if a growing portion of the population plans to vote those values away in favor of religious fundamentalism.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 50 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,490
@previous (G)
Saying we can have two societies isn't even close to saying we should revoke the rights kf those already in the liberal democratic society
You are incapable of comprehending the words you read.
> It's not pretentious to want to preseve the values of your society. > > If you believe in freedom of speech, and women's rights, and religious tolerance (to the most practical extent) you can't just allow a culture opposed to all of that to immigrate and multiply until your society is gone.
"Can’t just allow a culture opposed to all of that to immigrate and multiply"
You literally said you can’t allow a culture to multiply, you’re literally advocating for cultural genocide.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 43 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,495
"Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group" is one of the internationally recognized definitions of genocide. You were literally just advocating for a genocide against Muslims.
Restricting immigration to those who share the values to begin with prevents the whole problem.
Right now Islam isn't big enough to be a threat, and many will just end up secularized or in some americanized form.
I never said we should stop the ones here now from having kids, but you are unable to respond to my actual point about immigration so you resort to your only backup tactic which is strawmanning.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 21 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,500
@1,424,498 (D)
You said "multiply." I’m not talking about immigration, you said we shouldn’t let Muslims multiply. You know what you said, I know what you said, I just quoted you directly.
Anonymous G double-posted this 1 month ago, 38 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,501
@1,424,499 (D)
Well then how were you going to stop them from multiplying? There aren’t that many ways to do it, either you kill all of them in death camps or you sterilize all of them. Those are generally your two options. So which is it?
Anonymous G triple-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,502
I don’t care about your argument about Islam being incompatible with whatever your twisted idea of "western culture" is. Your beliefs are incompatible with humanity. I think that’s a bigger problem.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 23 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,503
@1,424,500 (G)
We don't need to worry about them multiplying to levels that threaten democracy because they aren't a big enough % now for that to be an issue.
And if we were at that point it would be too late anyway, and I'd write the country off as Islamic at that point anyway.
This isn't complicated, if you want to know what my solution is ASK. In every thread you ALWAYS avoid asking because you know that would stop you from strawmanning and cut your dishonest arguments off from the start.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,505
@1,424,503 (D)
You’re advocating for ethnic cleansing. It doesn’t matter if the United States is 0% Muslim or 100% Muslim. You can’t use religion as a factor for whether or not people should be allowed to exist.
> I don’t care about your argument about Islam being incompatible with whatever your twisted idea of "western culture" is.
I know!
In all these thread you don't care what my actual argument is. Every time you decide you'll make it up yourself so you have some easy charicature to attack instead.
I'm glad we could establish that you are never interested in the real argument.
> In the 5-to-4 ruling written by Chief Justice Roberts, the Court said the president has “broad discretion” under the law to suspend entry into the United States of certain classes of individuals when detrimental to the national interest.
In case you forgot the constitution says SCOTUS interprets the law, not you.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 39 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,512
Think about how absurd this argument is. I’m a black American, I was born in this country. What if I started saying we need to limit the population of white people because it’s a threat to democracy? You’d rightfully call me a racist genocidal lunatic. It’s no different when you do it and you should be ashamed of yourself for it.
Anonymous G triple-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,514
And honestly, this is so stupid to me, because I know you just want America to be a white country because you have a power fantasy. But think for a second, there are two hundred something countries in the world. There are countries where white people are an ethnic minority. White people aren’t untouchable. If you rounded up and killed all the black people in America, what do you think will happen to all the white South Africans? Other countries only treat white people well because white people treat them well.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,516
@previous (D)
You’re saying you don’t want a certain group of people to be American, I’m not strawmanning you. It doesn’t matter how you make a white supremacist argument it doesn’t change the fact that it’s white supremacist and if I’m a black person, you can’t convince me that a white supremacist argument is in my self interest.
> You’re saying you don’t want a certain group of people to be American, I’m not strawmanning you.
You strawmanned when you lied and said I wanted them to lose their right to vote and have kids.
> It doesn’t matter how you make a white supremacist argument it doesn’t change the fact that it’s white supremacist and if I’m a black person, you can’t convince me that a white supremacist argument is in my self interest.
Islam isn't a race dumbass.
Albania is almost entirely white and muslim, if you can't tell the different between what someone looks like and the beliefs the voluntarily choose to have then you are a complete retard.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,519
The other half of this that is so stupid to me is your ideas have been tried before. Hitler thought his people were the best, he got rid of all the non Germans by throwing them in death camps, he tried to fight the world, it turns out the world is really big, and he shot himself in the face in a bunker that’s now buried underneath a parking lot. White supremacy will only ever work in a white majority country, because white people aren’t superior to everyone else. Most people on planet earth aren’t white. As soon as a white supremacist government takes control of its own population, it will inevitably look abroad to spreading white supremacy throughout the world, and everyone who has ever tried to take the world has failed. It’s suicidal, if you go down this path, if you’re lucky, you’ll be successful for a short while, but it will end in humiliation for white people.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,521
@previous (G)
If you were smart you would be able to address the actual things you disagree with instead of resorting to making up strawmen in literally every argument.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 34 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,522
And I don’t hate white people. If I hated white people I would cheer you on, because the fastest way to destroy the west economically and militarily is to implement your ideas. Countries with low birth rates and low immigration don’t do well economically, and countries with low birth rates tend to not recover as well from war, a thing that involves a lot of young people dying. If you actually stopped all immigration to America, our population would shrink and so would our economy because we don’t have enough children. Then if you went to war with the world to make it white, you would lose the war, and Africa’s population would be much more resilient than America’s because Africa's have more children so they would heal from this quickly.
Anonymous G double-posted this 1 month ago, 43 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,523
@1,424,521 (D)
Yeah, I did address the things I disagreed with. I don’t secretly agree with you even if that’s what your narcissistic brain wants to think.
Anonymous G triple-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,524
If I ever said I agree with you, it would be because I don’t want the best for you. And a part of me still doesn’t hate you, but I am considering changing my mind on that.
> And honestly, this is so stupid to me, because I know you just want America to be a white country because you have a power fantasy. But think for a second, there are two hundred something countries in the world. There are countries where white people are an ethnic minority. White people aren’t untouchable. If you rounded up and killed all the black people in America, what do you think will happen to all the white South Africans? Other countries only treat white people well because white people treat them well.
Even American racists get tired of white South Africans. When Trump said he would let white South Africans seek asylum in the United States out of the millions of white South Africans in Africa, did you notice he lowered the cap on refugees entering the United States to 7,500?
There are 4.5 million South Africans, so I guess bringing them over to America is so urgent we’re willing to spend 600 years getting all the white people out of South Africa to save them from the supposed genocide.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 10 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,424,646
@previous (D)
You objectively do say racist stuff all the time, accuse everybody of misrepresenting what you said, then you say more racist stuff after it. Have you ever noticed the only people on here who agree with you are mentally retarded spammers who can’t put together a coherent English sentence?
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,424,658
@1,424,646 (I) > You objectively do say racist stuff all the time,
Then use direct quotes, and I can't deny I said it.
> accuse everybody of misrepresenting what you said
No, it's always the same person. The text voice has too many unique characteristics to be different people.
> Have you ever noticed the only people on here who agree with you are mentally retarded spammers who can’t put together a coherent English sentence?
There's not that many people on here, and even fewer who actually bother with those types of threads.
It's not hard to give direct quotes, and ask clarifying questions.
It's very, very easy to avoid the strawman accusation altogether. You will never take those steps, though, because your entire MO is to strawman and if you did those things you would sabotage your own tactic.
Anonymous K double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,424,667
My issue with you is you’re a pathological liar who never apologizes for anything pretending you’re being rational, when you never concede anything no matter how stupid it is.
> > What does Islam say about how you treat people of other religions? And what does it think of freedom of speech? > > > > Bonus reading. > > Growing up I was best friends with a Muslim!
> > You can't have a liberal democratic society if a growing portion of the population plans to vote those values away in favor of religious fundamentalism. > > You mean Protestant evangelical Christians who think we need to start a war to end the world to bring the rapture?
> You were implying that Muslims should be allowed to vote in the United States and you also implied they shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce either. > > > > > It's not pretentious to want to preseve the values of your society. > > > > If you believe in freedom of speech, and women's rights, and religious tolerance (to the most practical extent) you can't just allow a culture opposed to all of that to immigrate and multiply until your society is gone. > > "Can’t just allow a culture opposed to all of that to immigrate and multiply" > > You literally said you can’t allow a culture to multiply, you’re literally advocating for cultural genocide.