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AVeryBlackGuy double-posted this 11 hours ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,067
But for real, vibe coding is dumb. I’ve met CS majors who had no idea how to get a web server running because they vibe coded their way through their classes. I was slightly concerned about AI until I actually had to work on a project with other people and I realized how bad AI generated code is. These people had freaking emojis in the GitHub repository with a README.md that said we were using technologies we weren’t even using, and they didn’t even know how to display static files on a web server. Like it’s so bad.
AVeryBlackGuy triple-posted this 11 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,068
I also just hate writing code with AI and I honestly hate it. It’s not fun. It’s a slower process and it doesn’t do what I asked it to do half the time.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 hours ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,078
@1,422,068 (AVeryBlackGuy)
You should be writing the code yourself and using the AI to save time you'd spend on StackOverflow - and their traffic has plummted since GPT was released. It's also useful for docmentation, formatting, and some other things.
AVeryBlackGuy replied with this 11 hours ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,080
@previous (A)
Yeah, I’m retarded because I can write code myself without AI and other people are smart because they can’t contribute to a group project even when they’re using AI assistance.
AVeryBlackGuy double-posted this 11 hours ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,081
Honestly the AI thing pisses me off because it’s not really revolutionary. It’s obvious that LLMs are not really artificial intelligence because they’re not intelligent in any meaningful sense. It’s just incompetent people like the idea of getting to pretend they’re smart. Which is annoying as hell when you have to actually deal with people who don’t know what they’re doing.
AVeryBlackGuy double-posted this 11 hours ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,084
I find it crazy you called me retarded yet you’re accusing me of accusing you of saying something you didn’t say by misrepresenting what I said. I sarcastically said "people who use AI are smart." But you didn’t even read what I wrote.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 hours ago, 11 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,087
@previous (AVeryBlackGuy)
You didn't respond to what I actually wrote and you have a habit of making absurd strawman claims, I'm just out of patience. I'll give the be efit of the doubt to someone else, you're just obnoxious.
AVeryBlackGuy replied with this 10 hours ago, 47 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,088
@previous (A)
Every single comment I’ve made is about AI in a thread you made about AI. You just think that whenever anybody says anything that means they’re accusing you of saying the opposite which is stupid.
AVeryBlackGuy double-posted this 10 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,090
You can bring up a topic and I can say my opinion about that topic and my opinion doesn’t need to have anything to do with your opinion because it’s my opinion. And just because you think something is true doesn’t mean I’m lying if I say I think it’s not true. It’s like you think you’re the only person in the universe and other people don’t have their own functioning brains.
AVeryBlackGuy triple-posted this 10 hours ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,092
Which to be honest, given your opinion that black people have lower IQs on average, you seem like the type of narcissistic person who thinks that you’re the sole bearer of truth in the universe and everybody is less intelligent as you so you just feel like you’re so above everybody else you don’t even have to listen to ideas that go against yours. But it’s like, I don’t give a shit. I’m going to say what I think and I don’t care if you agree with it or not.
AVeryBlackGuy replied with this 10 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,095
@previous (A)
It’s not off topic, it’s directly related. AI is less impressive than people claim it is, and you’re obviously someone who is more impressed with AI than I am. You just don’t like me talking about it because you disagree with my opinion but you don’t feel like explaining why you think I’m wrong.
AVeryBlackGuy double-posted this 10 hours ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,096
And by the way, you accused me of a strawman, I don’t even use the word conscious anywhere in this thread. I used the word intelligence. But you called me retarded because I paraphrase what you say, but you do the same thing to me because that’s how language works.
AVeryBlackGuy triple-posted this 10 hours ago, 50 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,097
That’s what that whole debate about probability was about. Language isn’t precise, you have to guess what I really mean when I say anything based on the probability that’s what people usually mean. You do the same thing because that’s how humans interpret language.
AVeryBlackGuy quadruple-posted this 10 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,098
You have this dumb self righteous ideology that true an false are binary and you believe the truth and everybody else is just too emotional to agree with your truth that you’re just better than everybody else just for existing. Yet you don’t actually think about things in terms of binary true and false because you’re not a computer, you’re a human, and humans generally don’t think in terms of binaries. That’s a function of abstraction. The real world isn’t binary in most cases.
Being impressed is a subjective, opinionated thing.
I didn't share my feelings, I gave data.
There's a difference between how you feel about it, and what the data says. Matters of facts vs opinions.
@1,422,096 (AVeryBlackGuy)
You aren't paraphrasing, you're changing the topic to another AI-based topic. Just because they both involve AI doesn't make them the same topic.
If someone came in to share their review of "I, Robot" the movie, it would be AI related, but completely off topic.
AVeryBlackGuy replied with this 10 hours ago, 49 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,100
And if you’re sooooo impressed with LLMs, LLMs are probabilistic models of natural language, so you really shouldn’t be surprised that natural language is fundamentally probabilistic.
> And if you’re sooooo impressed with LLMs, LLMs are probabilistic models of natural language, so you really shouldn’t be surprised that natural language is fundamentally probabilistic.
Which is also why LLMs fundamentally will always create bugs when writing code no matter how much they improve.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 hours ago, 24 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,105
@1,422,100 (AVeryBlackGuy)
Nothing in this post has anything to do with how AI affects employment.
Whether what you said is true or not doesn't really matter.
Probabilistic or not, it's either resulting in job loss or not. If I'm wrong about the reason for the job losses, AIs probabilistic nature is still unrelated.
It'a like you're so eager to share your thoughts on some random aspect of AI you're trying to shoehorn it in here.
AVeryBlackGuy replied with this 10 hours ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,113
@1,422,109 (A)
No I didn’t, everything I said is related, you’re just not smart enough to see how everything I said is related. I think that the decline in hiring is because software companies over-hired during COVID. I explained in great detail how in my experience working with other computer science majors I have found that AI does not make people more productive it actually makes them less productive at coding. If you can’t see how that’s related, then that’s your problem. It should be obvious to anyone why if AI doesn’t boost productivity and why if the decline in the job market is caused by something other than AI how that relates back to your claim that the decline in the job market is because of primarily AI.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 10 hours ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,115
@1,422,113 (AVeryBlackGuy)
This post seems on topic.
But as you've already made clear in other threads, you don't believe debate is worth anything, and you don't believe truth is real, you don't know what a proposition is, and you think personal attacks are a replacement for an actual argument.
> Honestly the AI thing pisses me off because it’s not really revolutionary. It’s obvious that LLMs are not really artificial intelligence because they’re not intelligent in any meaningful sense. It’s just incompetent people like the idea of getting to pretend they’re smart. Which is annoying as hell when you have to actually deal with people who don’t know what they’re doing.
AVeryBlackGuy replied with this 10 hours ago, 57 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,118
@1,422,115 (A)
I never said I don’t believe truth is real, I said that truth isn’t necessarily binary because most things in the real world are effectively probabilistic rather than deterministic. But you’re interested in pseudo philosophy and like the idea of binary true and false being the end all and be all because you’re an arrogant personality.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 10 hours ago, 44 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,120
@1,422,118 (AVeryBlackGuy)
This is what I'm talking about. I never claimed everything is binary. There are many things that are grey areas, or probabilistic.
AVeryBlackGuy double-posted this 10 hours ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,122
@1,422,120 (A)
Well you spent a long time whining about my claim that logic can be probabilistic. But okay, you agree with me that logic is probabilistic and that deterministic scenarios are only a subset of probabilistic scenarios so probability is more fundamental than determinism.
> Well you spent a long time whining about my claim that logic can be probabilistic.
No, that's a lie.
> But okay, you agree with me that logic is probabilistic and that deterministic scenarios are only a subset of probabilistic scenarios so probability is more fundamental than determinism.
Some questions are probabilistic, some are deterministic.
I'm not getting into physical determinism, bell's theorem or any of that, it's off topic.
AVeryBlackGuy replied with this 10 hours ago, 2 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,127
I’m just saying, computers are based on binary, voltages are not binary, we have to artificially create thresholds for what’s a 0 and what’s a 1. And electrons are discrete but they exist in space as probabilities. An electron doesn’t necessarily have a location in space, it just has a chance of being somewhere.
AVeryBlackGuy double-posted this 10 hours ago, 49 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,128
@1,422,125 (A)
Well you just said I don’t believe in truth, which is something I never said. I said that binary true and false are abstract concepts. You seem to have a problem with that, and if you don’t, why are you complaining about it?
AVeryBlackGuy triple-posted this 10 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,130
There’s actually a limit to how small you can make a transistor before quantum tunneling will cause voltages to jump across gaps and give you random results instead of deterministic results so you can’t perform computations.
AVeryBlackGuy quadruple-posted this 10 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,134
The real reason computers are binary isn’t because of some fundamental truth of our universe, it’s actually to reduce the amount of circuitry required to perform computations. Binary true and false are not fundamental.
AVeryBlackGuy joined in and replied with this 10 hours ago, 6 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,136
And now, this is off topic, but you’ve annoyed me enough I might as well be petty and just say it. But you don’t strike me as someone who knows what you’re talking about. For example, when you were arguing about evolution and why you think blacks are less intelligent than whites it’s clear to me that you don’t know anything about human evolution.
The truth is that hominins left Africa more than once. About a million years ago hominins developed stone tools and left Africa and spread out into the old world. But Homo sapiens, our species evolved 300,000 years ago and we left Africa, expanded out into the rest of the world, and we killed off every other species of hominin except for ourselves. Homo sapiens came into contact with Neanderthals in Europe and bred with them, so Europeans always have some small percentage of Neanderthal DNA. But sub Saharan africans are pure Homo sapiens. So it doesn’t make any sense to believe that Africans are genetically less pure or less intelligent when black Africans are the origin of our species and they killed off every other species of human everywhere in the entire world.
boof replied with this 10 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,137
@1,422,081 (AVeryBlackGuy)
yeah it's like the term AI is more a marketing term. virtual intelligence might be closer to what it is, or even simulated intelligence
I like to say that the word intelligence implies that an underlying intellect is present.
AVeryBlackGuy replied with this 9 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,138
And all that conjecture you had about "oh well birds are different how are humans different from animals?" It’s true that there used to be multiple species of humans, and it’s true that some of them were more intelligent than others, but Homo sapiens came from Africa, we were the most intelligent, and you are mostly African. There’s less genetic diversity because we killed all the other species off. It’s not the same, you can’t compare humans to animals in that way, there is only one species of human.
AVeryBlackGuy replied with this 9 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,141
There’s more genetic variation between different types of Chimpanzees than there are between the human "races" (races aren’t really real in the sense they don’t have clear boundaries). There are subspecies of chimpanzees, there are no extant subspecies of Homo sapiens.
> There’s more genetic variation between different types of Chimpanzees than there are between the human "races" (races aren’t really real in the sense they don’t have clear boundaries). There are subspecies of chimpanzees, there are no extant subspecies of Homo sapiens.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 hours ago, 2 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,200
@previous (AVeryBlackGuy)
I see now that LLMs are just a fad, and these tech layoffs are really about overhiring. How else can we reconcile the genetic differences in chimps? 🤔
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 4 hours ago, 55 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,422,213
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