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Topic: There is overwhelming scientific evidence for differences in races.

Anonymous A started this discussion 16 hours ago #132,786

Everything in humans is encoded in genes.

We share 99% with chimps, but that doesn't make us close at all.

Homo Africanus can replicate many human speech patterns, just like a parrot. However, a parrot can never truly get an education, only memorize the sounds and say them back for a treat.

The Africa joined in and replied with this 16 hours ago, 13 minutes later[^] [v] #1,416,795

It is amazing how you only cited one single statistic and managed to get the number wrong.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 16 hours ago, 6 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,796

@previous (The Africa)
I cited one statistic, you cited zero.

That study did show IQ was real.

There are many other studies that show many other differences in race, not just brains.

The Africa replied with this 16 hours ago, 19 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,797

It’s also dumb, humans are very very closely related to chimpanzees. Life first emerged 3.7 billion years ago and the most recent common ancestor between modern humans and chimpanzees lived 5 to 7 million years ago. That means 99.8% of our evolution happened before chimpanzees and modern humans branched off from each other. Chimpanzees are very intelligent animals that use simple tools and have the ability to understand very rudimentary language if you take a chimp that’s smart to begin with and have humans train it to understand language. The entire idea that human are separate from animals is baseless.

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The Africa double-posted this 16 hours ago, 57 seconds later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,799

@1,416,796 (A)
You’re obviously uneducated otherwise you wouldn’t say crap that’s this embarrassingly stupid.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 16 hours ago, 1 minute later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,800

@1,416,797 (The Africa)
You are making my point for me.

All that shared DNA and yet chimps can't manage to live in societies as equals.

So what does it mean about anything when you say humans all share most of their DNA? Nothing. A very small part of DNA has huge consequences.

Yes, we're all animals, but no that doesn't make us similar enough to live together.

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 16 hours ago, 1 minute later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,801

@1,416,799 (The Africa)
You always go back to personal attacks.

Why not get some meat in your post? Post a scientific study, since you say you believe in science.

Try to refute an argument instead of changing the subject.

The Africa replied with this 15 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,802

@1,416,800 (A)
Chimpanzees are a different species, modern Homo sapiens have only been around for 300,000 years. If chimpanzees split off from modern humans 7 million years ago, if you were actually educated you’d be able to turn that into a percentage. 100(300,000/7,000,000) is 4.3%. You don’t see how if modern humans have had 4.3% the amount of time to diverge from each other as we have had to diverge from chimpanzees that the differences between modern humans would be significantly smaller than the differences between humans and chimpanzees?

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The Africa double-posted this 15 hours ago, 49 seconds later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,803

@1,416,801 (A)
I’m calling you stupid because you’re saying things that are completely stupid to anyone with the most basic level of scientific understanding.

The Africa triple-posted this 15 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,804

You’re so dumb you even made up a species name. There’s no species called "Homo africanus." When you made up your stupid little name, you’re so blatantly uneducated in science, you don’t even know that a genus name should be capitalized and a species name shouldn’t be capitalized.

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The Africa quadruple-posted this 15 hours ago, 43 seconds later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,805

You wouldn’t ever write "Homo Sapiens" it’s "Homo sapiens" and "Homo africanus" isn’t even the name of a species.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 hours ago, 1 minute later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,806

@1,416,802 (The Africa)
Evolution is exponential.

Humans have been around 300,000 years.

The past 3000 years is all of human recorded history.

CRISPR has already been used to genetically modify humans. That's not close to the first form of artificial gene selection, IVF and genetic testing is decades old. Aristocrats were breeding slaves for thousands of years.

And any system with a few small percentage increases has exponential growth that makes the old systems (homo africanus) obsolete.

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The Africa replied with this 15 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,807

@previous (A)
You’re such a fucking idiot. Evolution is not exponential, the reason why the first societies formed around 10,000 years ago is because that’s when the Earth’s climate stabilized to the point where humans could develop agriculture. Humans from 10,000 years ago are indistinguishable from humans who are alive today. We haven’t evolved significantly in the past 10,000 years. That’s such an idiotic thing to say.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,808

@previous (The Africa)
Evolution happens much faster than that.

Disease resistance is an easy way to observe evolution.

The Africa replied with this 15 hours ago, 1 minute later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,809

Evolution doesn’t necessarily tend towards complexity. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. The way natural selection works is if an organism can produce viable offspring then it does and it passes on its genes to the next generation and there are more organisms with those genes. How come the most common type of life on Earth is bacteria? Bacteria don’t live for very long, a human lives for almost a century on average. Think about it, bacteria are going through more iterations faster than humans are and they’ve been around for a long longer than we have, but they’ve never exponentially evolved into super intelligent bacteria beings or whatever.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 hours ago, 5 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,811

@previous (The Africa)

Now think about what happens when the agricultural revolution and everything after pushes the price of calories down 100x.

Whichever humans can utilitize that energy quickest win everything, and so some people end up with a chance mutation that allows them to gain an advantage, and then they quickly reproduce and mix with others who found a quick way to utilize 100x the energy. In a very short period of time the species is much stronger and smarter.

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The Africa replied with this 15 hours ago, 42 seconds later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,812

Think about it, ants evolved 150 million years ago. I already told you modern Homo sapiens evolved 300,000 years ago. If evolution really was exponential ants would be our overlords but that’s not the case. My problem with your idea of racial supremacy and inferiority is that it’s vaguely defined. You can measure how successful a population is at surviving in nature. Evolution doesn’t necessarily tend towards greater complexity or higher intelligence. If you wanted to measure which "race" is the most successful, Asians have the highest population not white people, so I don’t know what to tell you man. Your ideas don’t make rational sense, they’re ignorant, they’re not logically consistent. Just read a fucking book or something. Idk.

The Africa double-posted this 15 hours ago, 1 minute later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,813

@1,416,811 (A)
That’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how natural selection works. Selection pressure is higher when it’s harder to survive not when it’s easier to survive. You should expect humans to evolve less when they have an abundance of food and cushy lives.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 hours ago, 25 seconds later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,814

@1,416,812 (The Africa)

I never said being a species the longest made a species the best. That's a strawman, and I didn't say anything close to that.

The Africa replied with this 15 hours ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,815

@previous (A)
You said that evolution is exponential. If evolution was exponential then it would logically follow that a species that has been around longer that has been through more generations would be more highly evolved than a species that didn’t. But I showed you an example of how that’s not the case to prove you wrong. That’s not a strawman, you don’t know how to think.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 hours ago, 15 seconds later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,816

@1,416,813 (The Africa)
Cheaper calories means theres an opportunity to reproduce more. Higher reproduction also increases the rate of evolution.

Natural selection does not just work by pruning species too weak to survive, it's also a out which species can utilize the resources around it more, even in peacetime.

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,817

@1,416,815 (The Africa)

Saying it is exponential is not the same as saying that exponential growth goes on forever.

There are barriers that any species hits eventually.

Human are clearly not hitting a barrier right now, because development is faster than its ever been.

Ants are at a barrier they cannot break.

The Africa replied with this 15 hours ago, 10 seconds later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,818

@1,416,816 (A)
Do you not see the massive obvious problem with your reasoning here? If I survive and you don’t survive, that doesn’t magically mean I’m smarter than you, it just means I survived and you didn’t. If people who have more food reproduce more, that doesn’t mean there passing on genes that make them more intelligent.

The Africa double-posted this 15 hours ago, 53 seconds later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,819

In fact, there’s evidence that human brains have gotten smaller over time.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240517-the-human-brain-has-been-shrinking-and-no-one-quite-knows-why

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 hours ago, 1 minute later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,820

@previous (The Africa)
Because humans have a racial caste system, and a million low energy humans can do tasks more efficiently.

There are still races that are much more intelligent and own the stock and land related to those dim humans.

The Africa replied with this 15 hours ago, 27 seconds later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,821

And I mean, okay, let’s say hypothetically, let’s imagine you’re right and people who reproduce more will magically become smarter for some reason. Africa has the highest birth rate of any continent. But they’re the poorest continent so they have the least food. How do you explain that? Shouldn’t Africans be the smartest people if they’re figuring out how to do more with fewer resources? Or are you just going to make up some excuse because you didn’t think about that.

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The Africa double-posted this 15 hours ago, 1 minute later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,822

@1,416,820 (A)
Asia has the highest population, Africans have the highest birth rate. Your theory is inconsistent with itself if you think birth rates and population are what equals superiority. Because you want to claim whites are superior, but whites don’t have the highest population and they don’t have the highest birth rates. So your theory doesn’t even explain your own worldview.

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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 hours ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,823

@1,416,821 (The Africa)

> And I mean, okay, let’s say hypothetically, let’s imagine your right and people who reproduce more will magically become smarter for some reason.

All else being equal, more individuals will mean more opportunities for an innovative genetic mutation.


> Africa has the highest birth rate of any continent. But they’re the poorest continent so they have the least food. How do you explain that? Shouldn’t Africans be the smartest people if they’re figuring out how to do more with fewer resources? Or are you just going to make up some excuse because you didn’t think about that.

Not all humans evolve at the same rate. When a Somolian marries her cousin, there's less chance for sexual reproduction to work it's magic with a radically different genetype that could be better adapted.

Africa didn't have the same infrastructure to integrate foreign nations, give them a road to the imperial core, and allow the cleverest merchants and strongest slaves freedom and wealth.

You can rattle off some regional events or busy cities, but it wasn't the machine Europe was for creating stronger people.

The Africa replied with this 15 hours ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,825

And I’m going to be pre-emptive with this. Some people will just assume "oh well Africans have a lot of kids but those kids won’t make it to childhood." That’s not true. African countries do have a higher infant mortality rate than western countries, but their infant mortality rates have been going down consistently for decades, and their birth rates have remained high, and their population has increased rapidly.

Take a look at these graphs. Notice that the y-axis on the population graphs doesn’t start at zero, you have to click on it to see what the real number is.

Nigeria infant mortality over time:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN?locations=NG

Nigeria population over time:
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/nga/nigeria/population

Japan population over time:
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/jpn/japan/population

I want you to notice something: Nigeria is much, much poorer than Japan. In 1960, Japan had 90 million people and Nigeria only had 40 million. Now Japan has 120 million and Nigeria has 230 million.

If your theory is correct that people with more food reproduce more and evolve to become more intelligent because they reproduced more is why you think that say Asians are more intelligent than blacks - then how do you explain that blacks have been reproducing more than Asians? Your theory doesn’t make any sense, it doesn’t match the objective data here.

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The Africa double-posted this 15 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,826

You can postulate and come up with theories and arguments all you want, it doesn’t match the freaking data!

The Africa triple-posted this 15 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,828

Well fed people don’t face high selection pressures, starving people do.

Rich people don’t have more children than poor people, poor people have more children.

It’s so freaking simple.

The Africa quadruple-posted this 15 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,831

Which also, is why white supremacy is fucking dumb. White supremacists hundreds of years ago came up with this idea that if you starved Africa and looted their resources then the black race would always be beneath Europeans. But there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of economics and demographics. Africa never had a higher population than Europe until the 1990s. The poverty that Europe inflicted upon Africa is the reason why Africa will probably dominate Europe in the 22nd century. People just can’t comprehend that poverty isn’t a biological disadvantage, it’s the opposite in the long run. Africa has twice as many people as Europe, they used to have less than half the population of Europe, Europe’s birth rate is below replacement, Africa is well above replacement. By 2100, the largest city in the world will be Lagos Nigeria and Africa will be 40% of the world’s population. Embracing white supremacists beliefs will only cause you to make decisions that will accelerate this process. You’re literally shooting yourself in the foot but you’re too stupid to understand it.

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Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,832

Any and all defenses against nigguh inferiority are little more than jewish nonsense when emmited by the self aware and a cargo cult when emitted by the blue gummed afro-skunkparrot. It is all right here in my best selling book.

The Africa replied with this 15 hours ago, 20 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,834

For example, Nigeria will surpass the United States in terms of population earlier in time if the United States stops letting in immigrants because immigration is the only reason why America’s population graph isn’t shaped like Japan’s.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 hours ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,835

I'm not wasting my time on your chatgpt walls, bye.

The Africa joined in and replied with this 14 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,836

@previous (A)
I don’t use ChatGPT. Unlike you I actually know how to write because unlike you I’m actually educated.

The Africa double-posted this 14 hours ago, 48 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,837

ChatGPT is just an autocomplete algorithm, I find zero value in it.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 hours ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,838

@1,416,836 (The Africa)
@previous (The Africa)

Thunder Balls !saAqdaazn2 joined in and replied with this 14 hours ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,841

@1,416,837 (The Africa)
But you find value in arguing with people on minichan.net every morning?

The Africa replied with this 14 hours ago, 30 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,842

@1,416,838 (A)
I remember when you were trying to argue that LLMs are intelligent. Honestly it says more about your own lack of intelligence.

The Africa double-posted this 14 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,843

@1,416,841 (Thunder Balls !saAqdaazn2)
There are too many idiots in the world and sometimes it’s cathartic to call a goddamn idiot a goddamn idiot.

POTATONIGGER replied with this 14 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,844

@previous (The Africa)
YER GODDAMN RIGHT, YOU FUCKIN IDIOT

The Africa replied with this 14 hours ago, 31 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,846

@previous (POTATONIGGER)
You’re calling yourself a nigger? K, that’s on you.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 hours ago, 42 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,847

@previous (The Africa)

The Africa replied with this 14 hours ago, 22 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,848

@previous (A)
White monkey

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 hours ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,849

@previous (The Africa)
It's an African American with his skin tone digitally altered, so what you just said really says a lot about your intelligence.

The Africa replied with this 14 hours ago, 42 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,850

@previous (A)
You’re doing that thing people do when they lose an argument so they start talking like a toddler because they’re embarrassed and don’t want to admit it.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 hours ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,852

@previous (The Africa)

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 2 hours ago, 11 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,890

@1,416,819 (The Africa)

> In fact, there’s evidence that human brains have gotten smaller over time.
>
> https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240517-the-human-brain-has-been-shrinking-and-no-one-quite-knows-why

Citing BCC genetics is such a chad move.

https://youtu.be/STbswoew30c

Anonymous F double-posted this 2 hours ago, 16 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,893

Also, interesting fact about Nigeria and Japan: there are more Nigerian international students studying in the United States than Japanese international students (20,000 vs 13,000 respectively), and Nigerian American immigrants are as educated as Chinese immigrants (with 31% of Nigerian immigrants holding graduate degrees and 29% of Nigerian immigrants holding graduate degrees). IQ statistics that say Africas have lower IQs than whites or East Asians are fake propaganda created by white supremacists. IQ was invented as a metric to predict success in school (it’s the second best predictor behind success in school). Unfortunately for white supremacists, blacks actually perform as well as East Asians do when they’re not subjected to a racist white supremacist culture that’s rigged against them.

Anonymous F triple-posted this 2 hours ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,894

Mind you: Japan has a GDP per capita of almost 40,000 USD, and Nigeria has a GDP per capita of closer to 2,000 USD. So even though there are twice as many Nigerians as Japanese people, despite Nigerians being 20 times poorer, and despite an anti DEI push in the United States from the Trump administration, more Nigerians are accepted into American universities than Japanese. African Americans are ethnically Nigerian. (In other words, white supremacy is complete bullshit theory.)

Anonymous F quadruple-posted this 2 hours ago, 12 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,896

The craziest thing to me about white supremacy is in order to make their claims sound less biased they’ll use Asians as a whataboutism to contrast black people with as if Asians are so much better than blacks you can’t compare African cultures or the success of Africans to that of Asians. White people will even lie and pretend that Africa languages are less advanced than European languages, when if you actually look into features of west African languages, you’ll find they’re actually similar to Asian languages in some ways. For example, Mandarin and Cantonese are tonal language, and so are west African languages like Yoruba and Igbo. But then white people will be like "oh Mandarin is such a hard language every word has its own character" then unironically believe that Nigerians didn’t have writing. But then when you look into the pre-colonial writing system the Igbo language used, they did the same thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsibidi

The whole racist idea that blacks had inferior culture or inferior language was propaganda created by Europeans to justify their crimes against humanity, and you have to be a special kind of bastard to want to perpetuate those lies.

Anonymous F quintuple-posted this 2 hours ago, 10 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,898

Even the idea that Nigeria wasn’t civilized and white people brought civilization to Nigeria and Nigeria was just a bunch of tribal people is a complete lie, but nobody ever bothers looking into it. Nigerians weren’t a bunch of Stone Age people walking around naked with no form of government or art or record of history.

You can easily google when civilization first developed in Nigeria:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nok_culture

You can easily google whether or not Nigerians had iron before Europeans arrived:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_%28sword%29

You can easily google how Nigerians traditionally dressed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_people#/media/File%3AHausa_tribe_traditions%2C_local_government_No_2.jpg

You can easily google the history of pre-colonial west African nation states and look at their monarchical lines of succession and read about their rulers and military history going back to the 13th century:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oba_of_Benin

It’s such a bullshit lie that sub Saharan Africans weren’t advanced, if you actually bother researching it just a tiny bit, it’s super obvious the two advantages Europeans had were gunpowder and population size and nothing else. The Africans weren’t already civilized. It’s just such an amazingly pathetic lie.

Anonymous F sextuple-posted this 2 hours ago, 4 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,900

They even lie about how advanced African art was. People reduce it down to just "oh the Africans made some masks they carved out of wood, they made some crude wooden statues."

But then you can also google what precolonial Nigerian art looked like. They were making bronze statues before they were colonized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Head_from_Ife

Anonymous F septuple-posted this 1 hour ago, 8 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,901

Even Nigerian architecture, people say "oh Africans were living in mud huts." But people don’t actually show pictures of what the inside of traditional Nigerian buildings looked like.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hausa+ceiling&udm=2

Anonymous F octuple-posted this 1 hour ago, 4 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,902

Or how much detail they’d put into just making a door

https://www.google.com/search?q=yoruba+door&udm=2

Or into making tools

https://www.google.com/search?q=yoruba+axe&udm=2

Anonymous F nonuple-posted this 1 hour ago, 4 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,903

But people say Africans are just "tribal" so that’s why they fail. They just had "tribes" with millions of members that had writing and governments and kings and militaries. I guess Germany is a tribe and France is a tribe by that logic. It’s all complete bs.

The Saving Guy !an/ULRsOIg joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 13 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,904

@1,416,807 (The Africa)

I would say agriculture developed because of knowledge about how to create tools. You need a group of thousands of people. One bright spark will think of making a sickle. The others will scoff at them. 10 years later, a tool to cut down wheat.

Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU joined in and replied with this 1 hour ago, 13 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,416,907

@1,416,807 (The Africa)

I heard that our digestive systems have changed
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