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Topic: European and American arrogance though

Anonymous A started this discussion 1 week ago #132,312

Europeans and Americans think they’re superior because they have technology that was designed in Europe and the United States, assembled in China, with raw materials sourced from Africa.

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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #1,412,820

I just think it’s interesting how these supposedly high IQ white people don’t see what the problem is here.

Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,821

There’s the whole "we have the technology they don’t because they’re stupid so there’s nothing they can do" attitude, but when you actually look into these supply chains, not very deeply, but at a shallow shallow surface level… I just don’t see how they don’t see what the problem is here. lol

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,822

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,825

@previous (B)
I’m going to say something very edgy. I want to die in a nuclear war because that would be a much more interesting way to die than dying from be trampled by a mob of stupid people.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 week ago, 6 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,828

Take cobalt for instance:

https://www.mining-technology.com/analyst-comment/global-cobalt-supply-2024/

SAVAGE NEGRO BEAST replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,829

@1,412,825 (C)
if its any consolance, your one of the stupid people that will be doing the trampling

Anonymous C replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,830

@previous (SAVAGE NEGRO BEAST)
*you’re

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 6 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,831

Most of Africa is ideal for land value taxation but they keep getting robbed and given a pitiful charity.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 week ago, 6 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,833

@previous (D)
I’m optimistic actually.

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Anonymous C double-posted this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,834

I guess the simplest way to put why I feel optimistic, is because the world is the way it is now, because of hundreds of years of white supremacy. But white supremacy was possible because black people were a minority. There were fewer black people in the world, so white people could exploit them. But the west has low birth rates, Asia has low birth rates, and Africa doesn’t.

Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 week ago, 7 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,836

China has 1.4 billion people, they have one child per woman, Africa has 1.5 billion people, they have closer to four children per woman. You need women to have slightly more than two children on average to keep the population stable. The United States can avoid that problem through immigration.

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boof joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,838

ehhh, shits's crowded enoguh

Anonymous C replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,839

@previous (boof)
Europe is a lot smaller than Africa. Africa was actually technically underpopulated not overpopulated for most of history.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,840

It’s also not really going to cause an overpopulation problem since because birth rates are below replacement in Europe, the Americas, and Asia, a lot of people are going to start dying off, so Africa will make up for the population loss elsewhere.

Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,841

Japan has experienced economic stagnation due to their declining population.

Japan’s GDP over time (notice how it stops increasing in the 1990s)

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/jpn/japan/gdp-gross-domestic-product

You can compare that to Japan’s population

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/jpn/japan/population

There’s a correlation between when Japan’s population stopped growing and when their economy stopped growing. The rest of the developed world is going to probably experience the same thing.

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Anonymous C quadruple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,842

But Africa, their workforce is going to double in the next 25 years.

Anonymous C quintuple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,843

Then you look at African countries and their population.

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/nga/nigeria/population

They’re poor right now… a hundred years from now idk.

Anonymous C sextuple-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,845

(FYI, the y axis on that website doesn’t start at zero so Japan’s earlier population growth and Nigeria’s look more similar than they really are, Nigeria’s growth is much faster than Japan’s was population-wise, they went from half the size of Japan to twice the size of Japan).

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boof replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,846

if one guy can be worth billions, they can figure out how to make regular folks worth 12 clams instead of 10

OP joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 53 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,847

Tired: Designing and applying complex technology

Wired: Building huts over land with rare minerals

Anonymous C replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,849

@previous (OP)
You can build huts over rare earth minerals without complex technology, but you can’t have complex technology without building huts over rare earth minerals.

Anonymous F replied with this 1 week ago, 42 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,850

@previous (C)
Log off and live in a hut then.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 week ago, 34 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,851

@previous (F)
Tbh the reason why people in the global south can get away with living in huts is because they don’t have winter there.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,854

I mean, you could build a big strong traditional German house with thick brick walls and a fireplace in every room in Africa, if you wanted to turn yourself into a rotisserie chicken.

Anonymous F replied with this 1 week ago, 4 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,855

@1,412,851 (C)
This is the same reason California is full of thriving deadbeats. They pass out outside but the ambient temperature keeps them alive.

In the far north it's not enough to have shelter, if you can't defend your foodstores through the dark season you're gone.

Anonymous F double-posted this 1 week ago, 52 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,856

@1,412,854 (C)

They wouldn't cook inside a chip fab with aircon.

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Anonymous C replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,858

@1,412,855 (F)
Oddly enough, California is the only state that doesn’t follow the logic that hotter climates usually have worse economies.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/12/07/median-household-income-in-every-us-state-from-the-census-bureau.html

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,859

Tbh Texas is okay too.

Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 week ago, 49 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,860

It’s hard to find a good map that’s recent tbh. But the southern states generally except for Texas have lower incomes.

Anonymous C quadruple-posted this 1 week ago, 30 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,861

Found something from 2024

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-u-s-states-with-the-highest-income-in-2024/

Usually colder climates, high population, and located near water are a good combination unless there’s something weird going on like Singapore being a city state or the UAE having more oil than they know what to do with. This is even the case inside China actually…

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Anonymous C quintuple-posted this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,863

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-regional-distribution-of-Chinas-Gross-Domestic-Product-GDP-per-capita-in-2014_fig1_324815192

Northern China and the coast of China are wealthier than the rest of China.

It’s not a genetic or a cultural thing, the same pattern repeats in a lot of places. Cities are built near water, colder climates force people to build infrastructure, more people and better infrastructure results in a better economy.

Europe is wealthy, they have seas everywhere, Britain is an island, Japan is an island, Korea is a peninsula. These aren’t coincidences. How many islands and peninsulas and seas are there in Africa?

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Anonymous C sextuple-posted this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,864

Asking why Britain had an empire and people living in Africa didn’t is like asking why people who lived on an island built boats and people who lived in the middle of a jungle didn’t. Like it’s a stupid question on some level.

Anonymous D replied with this 1 week ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,867

@1,412,833 (C)
Botswana does things better.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 week ago, 5 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,868

Oddly enough, if you look at IQ scores in mainland China, there’s a correlation between which areas are wealthier and which areas have higher IQs. Except, they’re all Chinese though. It’s not genetic.

Anonymous C double-posted this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,871

The premise behind IQ which is that you can’t get better at it is false. That’s why they can’t let people take it twice, because you’d get better at it. It’s more of a sign of how educated and healthy people are.

Anonymous C triple-posted this 1 week ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,873

Also, fun fact: China used to have affirmative action inside China because of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_China

Anonymous D replied with this 1 week ago, 13 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,874

Groverdraad

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 8 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,926

@1,412,836 (C)

> China has 1.4 billion people, they have one child per woman, Africa has 1.5 billion people, they have closer to four children per woman. You need women to have slightly more than two children on average to keep the population stable. The United States can avoid that problem through immigration.

And when the US and Europe stop sending food that will drop off. Or competition for scarcer water will lead to dozens of nasty wars.

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 32 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,935

@previous (G)
60% of the world’s unused arable land is in Africa. They also have some of world’s largest lakes and contrary to popular belief, the Sahara desert actually has a lot of water. It’s just underground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Great_Lakes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_Sandstone_Aquifer_System

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River

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Anonymous H double-posted this 1 week ago, 9 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,938

There are actually towns located in the middle of the Sahara desert. It’s actually not a barren wasteland.

Solar panels also generate three to four times as much electricity in the Sahara as they do in Europe.

Anonymous H triple-posted this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,940

The craziest thing is if you look at satellite pictures of Egypt, and look for little green circular patches, there are people who are farming in the middle of the sand by pumping up groundwater.

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,942

@1,412,938 (H)
I've seen people theoretically suggesting covering the Sahara in solar panels, but man can you imagine the maintenance? The Saharan dust would be dreadful.

Anonymous H replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,943

@previous (I)
They’ve already put solar panels in the Sahara. When I was just bored looking on google Earth, I saw some pretty big solar farms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benban_Solar_Park

Anonymous H double-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,944

That one in particular was so big, when I saw it from space I thought it was a lake or something until I zoomed it.

Anonymous H triple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,945

Like it’s so big, when you zoom out so you can see the entire country of Egypt on satellite view, if you know where to look, you can still see that solar farms.

Anonymous I replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,946

@1,412,943 (H)
Damn, last I heard it being discussed there was nothing that size in existence. Neat. Curious what sort of maintenance it needs.

Anonymous H replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,947

@previous (I)
Tbh, I can’t imagine it would be an unsolvable problem. I don’t see why you couldn’t just have some automated system that wipes the dust off.

Anonymous I replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,948

@previous (H)
I've always thought that, yet the videos I've watched about solar farms always show workers manually washing them, no matter what country it's in. But I imagine they've got something automated if it's in the Sahara. Shame the only YouTube videos about that solar park are promotional and not very informative. Deserves more attention.

Anonymous I double-posted this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,949

Apparently a combination of robots (if that project is ongoing; some robots were sent at one point at least) and what looks like a large brush on a vehicle. Neat.

https://renewablesnow.com/news/ecoppia-to-send-robots-to-clean-panels-for-project-in-benban-solar-complex-732544/

https://www.pveurope.eu/maintenance/egypt-fast-service-pv-cleaning-equipment-established

Anonymous H replied with this 1 week ago, 52 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,950

@1,412,948 (I)
There are also some countries that either are building nuclear power plants or planning on building nuclear plants. Egypt is building one, and I think Ethiopia is planning on building one but I don’t think they’ve started construction yet. As long as they find something to do with the waste, nuclear is also much better for the environment than fossil fuels.

Anonymous H double-posted this 1 week ago, 21 seconds later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,951

@1,412,949 (I)
Interesting

Anonymous I replied with this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,953

@1,412,950 (H)
Yeah, Germany abandoned nuclear energy and became the laughing stock of Europe. France went hard on nuclear energy and the UK too (Hinkley Point C, under construction). Only now do Germany realise their mistake.

Nuclear energy is grate. Good on Egypt. Shame it's being financed by a Russian loan, but can hardly blame Egypt for that.

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Anonymous H replied with this 1 week ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,954

From a quick google search, from what I can find, it seems like there are some countries in Africa that have the technical ability to create a nuclear reactor but not the funding required to build one that generates a significant amount of electricity. So some countries like Ghana just have research reactors and no nuclear power plants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana_Research_Reactor-1

But in theory, I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t eventually scale that up into something productive if at some point in the future they can gather the funds for it.

Anonymous F replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,955

@1,412,871 (C)
You can take an IQ test twice lol, what do you think would happen? The police would arrest you?

Anonymous H replied with this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,956

@previous (F)
You’re not supposed to take an IQ test multiple times because each time you take it you’ll score higher, so they consider it to be "inaccurate" if you take it more than once.

But that fact sort of undermines the entire premise of an IQ test, which is that intelligence is some innate measurable thing that can’t be changed, when that’s not really the case.

Anonymous H double-posted this 1 week ago, 5 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,957

Apparently Nigeria also has one research reactor.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/nigeria-converts-its-research-reactor-from-heu-to-leu-fuel

Anonymous H triple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,958

The odd thing is online it’s saying that the research reactors in Ghana and Nigeria used to require highly enriched uranium instead of low enriched uranium, so now I’m wondering who was giving highly enriched uranium to Nigeria and Ghana…

Anonymous H quadruple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,959

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-01/news-briefs/nigeria-ships-heu-china

They gave it "back to China." So I guess it came from China. Tbh I’m kinda surprised by that.

Anonymous H quintuple-posted this 1 week ago, 17 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,962

@1,412,956 (H)

> But that fact sort of undermines the entire premise of an IQ test, which is that intelligence is some innate measurable thing that can’t be changed, when that’s not really the case.

There’s also not really any particular reason why some people would be significantly smarter or dumber than other people. Early "race scientists" (not a real science) used to try and argue that some races were less intelligent because they had smaller brain volumes. So it is true for example, that women have smaller brains on average than men, but women are shorter on average than men. So once you factor in height, there’s actually not really that much variance in human brain size. So the old fashioned European "race scientists" that were going around saying that people from poorer parts of the world had smaller brains, sometimes they were lying, but that isn’t necessarily incorrect. Malnourished people tend to be shorter and shorter people tend to have smaller organs. But that’s not really groundbreaking, that’s just blatantly obvious.

Anonymous H sextuple-posted this 1 week ago, 9 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,964

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_country#/media/File%3AAverage_height_of_male_19-year-olds_by_country_in_2019.svg

For example, in Africans are shorter on average than Europeans. So you would obviously except Africans to have smaller brains on average because they’re smaller people. But white people say all the time that basketball is dominated by black people, because black people are tall, which is true. Black people are genetically tall, so they’re not short because of genetics. So the brain size thing and the IQ thing aren’t genetic. It’s circumstantial.

So you could imagine back in the 1800s, when circumstances in Africa were much more dire because of European colonial rule, this effect would have been even greater, because Africans would have been even more malnourished. But Europeans convinced themselves they were superior by measuring brain volumes, but just assumed the size of a skull is just genetic and nothing else.

Anonymous H septuple-posted this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,968

Then of course, they also intentionally fudged data by throwing out African skulls that were larger or passing off smaller European skulls as African.

Anonymous H octuple-posted this 1 week ago, 12 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,412,997

Of course, now the population difference would more than offset that. Even if the IQ scores racists cite were true (they’re not) 1.5 billion * 70 = 105 billion IQ points, 750 million * 100 = 75 billion IQ points. Of course, Africans don’t have average IQs of 70 because by definition if you score lower than 98% of people you have an IQ of 70, but Africans are 18% of the population so it’s necessarily impossible for them to have an average IQ of 70. But even if hypothetically they did, the biological determinist argument wouldn’t be sufficient for Europe to remain dominant in the future even if it actually were true.

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Anonymous B replied with this 1 week ago, 6 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,413,041

@1,412,942 (I)
put solar cells in airtight thicc glass domes on top of one/ two storey towers. no sand grinding away at solar cells, no sand burying solar cells, plus towers provide shade.

africans are retarded.

Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 5 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,413,050

@1,412,843 (C)

A hundred years from now like 90% of Africa will be uninhabitable scorchland

Judgmental black dude joined in and replied with this 1 week ago, 16 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,413,062

Climate change would also negatively impact Europe. Europe is as far north as Canada but has a much warmer climate due to the AMOC ocean current system. There’s evidence that the AMOC has been weakening in recent years due to climate change (although there’s debate about he rate of weakening). If it were to collapse, Europe would become colder.

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/what-would-happen-if-atlantic-meridional-overturning-circulation-amoc-collapses-how-likely

Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 1 week ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,413,063

@previous (Judgmental black dude)

My part will be okay. Downright pleasant, apparently.

Judgmental black dude replied with this 1 week ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,413,064

@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
London in England has the same latitude as Calgary in Canada, but Calgary gets to -30 Celsius in the winter.

Judgmental black dude double-posted this 1 week ago, 12 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,413,067

For some reason people think the US and Europe are level with each other, but the closest US state to Africa is actually Maine.

Judgmental black dude triple-posted this 1 week ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,413,068

…I guess the guys sailing the slave ships never figured that out somehow.

Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 1 week ago, 20 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,413,070

@1,413,064 (Judgmental black dude)

I hear it will get a Mediterranean style climate and grow grapes
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