Topic: what is truth?
Anonymous A started this discussion 3 weeks ago #131,981
let me preface this first since its quite possible that ill be the first on here to actually admit it openly. im not a fairly intelligent person. I dont consider myself to be highly attuned to whats going currently because quite frankly its a lot of information to process nor am I gonna pretend to know. In fact the first lesson I learned the hard way is never reveal all your cards and pretend to be stupid at all times.
So with everything thats going on. everyone has an opinion, thinkpiece or other some misinformed, misguided comment on the current state of affairs. Too many voices, podcasts, shitposts, etc to sift through all just to do my damnest to make it make sense. So what is the truth here? or rather what's really going on? whats going on underneath all this noise and nonsense?
So with everything thats going on. everyone has an opinion, thinkpiece or other some misinformed, misguided comment on the current state of affairs. Too many voices, podcasts, shitposts, etc to sift through all just to do my damnest to make it make sense. So what is the truth here? or rather what's really going on? whats going on underneath all this noise and nonsense?
Big black dude on the computer joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 9 minutes later[^] [v] #1,410,359
Truth by itself is useless. You have to decide what you want to achieve yourself and then figure out how to achieve that. If a truth isn’t useful for achieving an end, just ignore it.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,360
baby don't hurt me...
Big black dude on the computer replied with this 3 weeks ago, 13 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,361
I’d also say, some people have this attitude that they’re not bad when they say bad things because they’re just saying "the truth." Some people want the truth to be evil as a way to excuse evil. Generally, those people aren’t worth listening to. They tend to not have ideas that are beneficial to achieving goals. Which is why most of those people tend to be abject failures.
boof joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,362
well there are different flavoars of truth
the word has different applicability in different disciplines of thought -- say mathematics versus science
but I suspect that you are trying to figure if some information is being delivered to you from a source that is trying to deceive you or not. well in that case, the old advice about taking with a "grain of salt" applies. don't get too certain about anything, but don't get too dismissive by reflex either. file information in your mind as tentative, or sorted by source
the word has different applicability in different disciplines of thought -- say mathematics versus science
but I suspect that you are trying to figure if some information is being delivered to you from a source that is trying to deceive you or not. well in that case, the old advice about taking with a "grain of salt" applies. don't get too certain about anything, but don't get too dismissive by reflex either. file information in your mind as tentative, or sorted by source
Big black dude on the computer replied with this 3 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,367
@previous (boof)
Mathematical and logical truths are all based on unproven axioms. There’s also more than one valid system of logic.
Mathematical and logical truths are all based on unproven axioms. There’s also more than one valid system of logic.
boof replied with this 3 weeks ago, 56 seconds later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,369
indeed!
Big black dude on the computer replied with this 3 weeks ago, 49 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,371
For example, most people think in terms of true and false. But that’s not really how everything works. For example, is to always true or false that you’re inside your house? What if you’re standing in the doorway?
People have thought of this and come up with various alternate forms of logic that have more than two states.
People have thought of this and come up with various alternate forms of logic that have more than two states.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 7 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,372
Big black dude on the computer replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,373
I like fuzzy logic because you can use set theory to describe probability and logic, and fuzzy logic uses two basic probability functions "and" and "not" to define NAND which is functionally complete.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 12 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,445
Rejecting truth itself is the fastest way to corrupt your model of the world.
Some statements don't have binary answers, and some questions are in the realm of opinion, but that doesn't mean that there is no such thing as objective reality.
@1,410,361 (Big black dude on the computer)
Stating an uncomfortable truth doesn't make someone evil, and denying reality doesn't make you compassionate.
Some statements don't have binary answers, and some questions are in the realm of opinion, but that doesn't mean that there is no such thing as objective reality.
@1,410,361 (Big black dude on the computer)
Stating an uncomfortable truth doesn't make someone evil, and denying reality doesn't make you compassionate.
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Anonymous E replied with this 3 weeks ago, 58 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,450
@previous (F)
this is the essence of nigger, honestly. covering up what is real with delusions, loud noises, and malt liquor. Cheap thrills and vices.
at the core this is the reason why niggers only exist to be enslaved, and why its always okay to rape niggerbeasts.
this is the essence of nigger, honestly. covering up what is real with delusions, loud noises, and malt liquor. Cheap thrills and vices.
at the core this is the reason why niggers only exist to be enslaved, and why its always okay to rape niggerbeasts.
Green !!bO/s3MBcD joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 6 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,462
Baby don't hurt me...
Big black dude on the computer joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 7 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,463
@1,410,445 (F)
Ignoring truth and denying reality are two fundamentally different things. I’m not suggesting that we believe true is false and false is true, what I’m saying is, not all facts are relevant. You don’t need to know everything and it isn’t rational to care about everything.
While uncomfortable truths do exist, people who don’t want you to succeed will tell you things that aren’t true in order to try and stop you. What I’m saying is you don’t have to listen to people just because they want you to believe that what they’re saying is factual. And even if what someone is saying is an "unfortunate truth" that acts against you, there are other truths in your favor. You can’t win at anything by listing reasons why you can’t accomplish that thing.
Ignoring truth and denying reality are two fundamentally different things. I’m not suggesting that we believe true is false and false is true, what I’m saying is, not all facts are relevant. You don’t need to know everything and it isn’t rational to care about everything.
While uncomfortable truths do exist, people who don’t want you to succeed will tell you things that aren’t true in order to try and stop you. What I’m saying is you don’t have to listen to people just because they want you to believe that what they’re saying is factual. And even if what someone is saying is an "unfortunate truth" that acts against you, there are other truths in your favor. You can’t win at anything by listing reasons why you can’t accomplish that thing.
Big black dude on the computer double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 19 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,466
There’s actually a mathematical reason why the line of thinking that you should listen to naysayers is wrong.
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Big black dude on the computer triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,467
P(p at least once) = 1-(1-p)^n
Big black dude on the computer quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,468
A constant raised to the power of a variable is an exponential function. The more times you attempt something, the probability of success increases exponentially. The reason why I think that biological determinism is a useless way of thinking, is because it suggests if you fail you shouldn’t try again. But mathematics very strongly suggests that’s the most stupid thing you can do.
Big black dude on the computer quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,469
Another thing that’s not intuitive for a lot of people, is that if the probability of something occurring is zero. It can still happen.
Imagine you have a list of all integers, an infinite set, and you randomly select a number from that set. Say I pull out 6 from the list of all integers. The probability of that happening is 0. But it is possible.
Imagine you have a list of all integers, an infinite set, and you randomly select a number from that set. Say I pull out 6 from the list of all integers. The probability of that happening is 0. But it is possible.
boof replied with this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,470
infinity is such a bastard
Big black dude on the computer replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,471
Thankfully, nobody’s proven the universe isn’t infinite yet.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,478
@1,410,463 (Big black dude on the computer)
Every time I hear this said, one person is simply stating a fact and saying make of it what you will, and the other person will say that because it offends them it can't be true.
Every time I hear this said, one person is simply stating a fact and saying make of it what you will, and the other person will say that because it offends them it can't be true.
Big black dude on the computer joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,491
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 41 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,498
@previous (Big black dude on the computer)
Someone pointed out that single mother households have significant problems, with the outcomes for children showing higher criminality and poverty, but that single father households have the same results as dual-parent households.
Another person at the table calls him a misogynist. Not disagreeing because of a different study or a flaw in the reasoning, just getting offended that the data shared didn't match her view of the world.
Someone pointed out that single mother households have significant problems, with the outcomes for children showing higher criminality and poverty, but that single father households have the same results as dual-parent households.
Another person at the table calls him a misogynist. Not disagreeing because of a different study or a flaw in the reasoning, just getting offended that the data shared didn't match her view of the world.
Big black dude on the computer joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,502
@previous (F)
So, if you say that children raised by single mothers tend to have worse outcomes than children raised by single fathers, that’s not sexist by itself, but what is sexist is if you claim that it’s because women are inferior to men in some way rather than saying it’s because women face more challenges because we live in a sexist society.
So, if you say that children raised by single mothers tend to have worse outcomes than children raised by single fathers, that’s not sexist by itself, but what is sexist is if you claim that it’s because women are inferior to men in some way rather than saying it’s because women face more challenges because we live in a sexist society.
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Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,503
@previous (Big black dude on the computer)
Is that the same reason lesbian marriages have higher rates of domestic violence and divorce too?
It's all just a lack of accountability.
What challenges are going to make a single mother raise poor criminal kids? Microaggressions? DEI that gives her a leg up on college and jobs?
You are giving a vague excuse that is unfalsifiable.
Is that the same reason lesbian marriages have higher rates of domestic violence and divorce too?
It's all just a lack of accountability.
What challenges are going to make a single mother raise poor criminal kids? Microaggressions? DEI that gives her a leg up on college and jobs?
You are giving a vague excuse that is unfalsifiable.
Big black dude on the computer replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,504
If children raised by single fathers have the same outcome as children raised by two parents, that would seem to be evidence that being raised by a single parent is not an inherent disadvantage. If children raised by a single mother do experience a disadvantage, that could be seen as evidence that society treats women differently than society treats men.
The way to test this would be to look at data from different countries with different cultural views on gender to see how the outcomes are different. For example, compare single mothers and single fathers in Saudi Arabia to single mothers and single fathers in Sweden.
The way to test this would be to look at data from different countries with different cultural views on gender to see how the outcomes are different. For example, compare single mothers and single fathers in Saudi Arabia to single mothers and single fathers in Sweden.
Big black dude on the computer double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,505
@1,410,503 (F)
Dude, I was polite enough to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you had to just vent random problems you have against other minorities for no reason.
Dude, I was polite enough to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you had to just vent random problems you have against other minorities for no reason.
Big black dude on the computer triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,506
Like, okay, let’s think about this for a second. You mentioned women, lesbians, and DEI, and accountability. Do you really believe that everyone who isn’t a white male is worse off simply because every individual from every group other than white males is less accountable out of their own free will? Because that’s not believable.
Big black dude on the computer quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,508
The point I’m getting at is that correlation is not evidence of causation. When you find a correlation, you need to prove causation. If you just guess, what guess you make says more about you than it says about anything. If the guess you always make when you find certain types of people have more problems is that it’s always their fault, then that actually kind of does reveal what type of person you are.
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Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 48 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,510
@1,410,505 (Big black dude on the computer)
See? You're doing exactly what I said.
You don't like the data, so you blame the person citing it.
Some truths are uncomfortable, and people get offended and put their emotions over truth.
See? You're doing exactly what I said.
You don't like the data, so you blame the person citing it.
Some truths are uncomfortable, and people get offended and put their emotions over truth.
Black guy on the computer joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,538
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,540
@previous (Black guy on the computer)
You wanted an example of an uncomfortable truth people reject because it offends, and then starting calling me names when I gave one.
You behaved exactly as I said people do.
You wanted an example of an uncomfortable truth people reject because it offends, and then starting calling me names when I gave one.
You behaved exactly as I said people do.
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Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 52 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,541
@1,410,359 (Big black dude on the computer)
> Truth by itself is useless. You have to decide what you want to achieve yourself and then figure out how to achieve that. If a truth isn’t useful for achieving an end, just ignore it.
This in itself is deception and a falsehood.
> Truth by itself is useless. You have to decide what you want to achieve yourself and then figure out how to achieve that. If a truth isn’t useful for achieving an end, just ignore it.
This in itself is deception and a falsehood.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,549
@previous (L)
This same guy has admitted in multiple threads he chooses to ignore facts because they reflect blacks in a negative light.
Dismissing ideas that make you uncomfortable is obviously not going to work.
This same guy has admitted in multiple threads he chooses to ignore facts because they reflect blacks in a negative light.
Dismissing ideas that make you uncomfortable is obviously not going to work.
Anonymous L replied with this 3 weeks ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,561
RedCreme !28vrmKfuHs replied with this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,563
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