Topic: Some white American women are starting to sound black
Thunder Balls !saAqdaazn2 started this discussion 3 weeks ago #131,904
I was listening to this YouTube video on my way to werk this morning about tipping in the US, this American woman was giving it the attitude, not pronouncing her words correctly and smacking her lips. I was so sure she was some kind of she-boon but she was white.
How common is this?
How common is this?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 4 hours later[^] [v] #1,409,654
The political divide has white women and blacks on one side, and people automatically and subconsciously pick up the speech patterns of those in their "tribe".
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,659
Wypipo!
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,660
Black people and white people in the United States don’t actually speak differently, it’s an illusion. A "black" accent is just a white southern accent, but black people moved north after slavery ended. Most negative stereotypes associated with black Americans are also associated with poor white southerners.
Anonymous D double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,661
There was also a movement of black people from the north back to the south called "the great migration."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)
This has created a really odd effect where if you’re from the north, and you go down south, you’ll notice a lot of black people sound less southern than white people in the south, and if you go north a lot of black people sound more southern than people in the north. So white people in the south say y’all, and I’ve heard black people in the north say y’all, and met black people in the south who never say y’all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)
This has created a really odd effect where if you’re from the north, and you go down south, you’ll notice a lot of black people sound less southern than white people in the south, and if you go north a lot of black people sound more southern than people in the north. So white people in the south say y’all, and I’ve heard black people in the north say y’all, and met black people in the south who never say y’all.
Anonymous D triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 6 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,662
There’s also a very common stereotype that people from the southern United States are stupid, so black people in the north that sound like white people in the north who think that "Ebonics isn’t proper English" basically never have a positive opinion of white southerners. Then racism in the north and racism in the south is also different. The whole Nazi biological determinist ideology that black peoples are less successful because they have low IQs, as much racism as there is in the south, in my experience, that is something you’ll never hear from a white southerner. Because the stereotype that people from the south are dumb is actually very true, they are very anti intellectual, they don’t value intelligence in the first place, so for example, if you’re black and you get good grades in school, they’ll immediately just lump you in with the Asian kids. In the north, racism is less spoken, it’s more a jealousy two-faced dynamic where people might be polite and never admit to being racist by intentionally try to sabotage your success behind your back.
Anonymous D quadruple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,663
@1,409,661 (D)
I just realized I got the great migration and the new great migration mixed up.
The great migration was when blacks moved north, the new great migration was when blacks moved south.
Basically, the differences between how blacks and whites speak can be explained by different migration patterns inside the United States. This can also explain things like why people from California sound more like people from Ohio than people from Texas.
I just realized I got the great migration and the new great migration mixed up.
The great migration was when blacks moved north, the new great migration was when blacks moved south.
Basically, the differences between how blacks and whites speak can be explained by different migration patterns inside the United States. This can also explain things like why people from California sound more like people from Ohio than people from Texas.
Anonymous D quintuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 12 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,664
African American Vernacular English (AAVE) also isn’t really "incorrect" English. More modern linguistics research has found that AAVE actually does have consistent grammatical rules. So it’s more correct to think of it as a different dialect of English. White slaveowners didn’t allow their slaves to receive an education, so AAVE is believed to be a combination of informal southern English combined with some grammatical aspects of west African languages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Vernacular_English
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Vernacular_English
Anonymous D sextuple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,665
It’s harder to track because black Americans came from more than one place, and spoke more than one language before they were brought to the Americas. But oftentimes when a group of people don’t speak "proper" English, it’s because they’re borrowing grammar from a different language. For example, the way Chinese people who aren’t good at English are stereotyped as saying everything in present-tense. Chinese doesn’t conjugate words based on past/present/future tense. AAVE is similar in that it borrows from the grammar of other languages, except since it doesn’t come from just one language it’s harder to say exactly which African language is the reason why black Americans say a certain thing a certain way. It’s not because they’re stupid or because they can’t keep track of grammatical rules, they’ve just retained some of the grammar of languages they don’t speak anymore.
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Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,671
There's still redlining in the north and south. Education became about profit and training. Dialects are homogenizing.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 8 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,701
I’m going to be honest here, as racist as Eirk is, I must admit, I black British accents sound cool.
https://youtu.be/3XquR1FxUqM
https://youtu.be/3XquR1FxUqM
Anonymous F double-posted this 3 weeks ago, 10 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,706
I also think Burkina Faso accents sound cool, like French speaking Africans. I tried as hard as I could to find a video on YouTube of a Burkina Faso accent that isn’t anti western political propaganda, but for the life of me I could not find a single video.
Accent sounds cool though.
Accent sounds cool though.
Anonymous F triple-posted this 3 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,707
Burkina Faso is an interesting country. Colonized by the French. They still love the French flag, just sideways now. And Richard Wagner is their favorite German composer. I would stay out of that country, personally.
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tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 11 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,409,708
@previous (F)
Sankara was based also. Shame he was killed by ostensible comrades turned reactionaries who felt they were doing a favour to France (more complicated than that I know, but I'll take any opportunity to disparage the Fr*nch).
Sankara was based also. Shame he was killed by ostensible comrades turned reactionaries who felt they were doing a favour to France (more complicated than that I know, but I'll take any opportunity to disparage the Fr*nch).
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Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 3 weeks ago, 2 days later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,410,127
Metsu~!