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Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 3 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,409,363
Russia sold Ukraine highly subsidized, near-free gas for many years and only stopped and attacked their energy infrastructure when NATO held a coup against their democratically elected government.
Why would Putin have a track record of giving them nearly free energy before the war if he didn't like Ukraine? They weren't part of Russia, they held no obligation to provide for them.
TheBlackDeath joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,409,373
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Because Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe and Russia wanted to sell gas to Germany and some of the pipelines that go from Russia to Germany go through Ukraine first because Ukraine and Russia used to be one country but Russia didn’t want Ukraine to shut the gas off.
TheBlackDeath double-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,409,375
Also Russia has a terrible economy that’s mostly dependent on oil, so just because they sold gas to Germany, doesn’t mean they liked Germany. They have the same GDP as Italy.
TheBlackDeath triple-posted this 1 month ago, 7 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,409,376
People have this idea that Europe is rich. It’s not true. Only Western Europe and Northern Europe is rich. But Nordic European countries have small populations, so most of the power is France and Germany, but mostly Germany. Then the UK isn’t part of the EU anymore so they don’t count.
TheBlackDeath joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 12 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,409,377
All I’m saying is, people get their opinions from little vloggers on the internet "oh look at this country isn’t it so great." Go literally anywhere east of Germany. The farther east you go the more you’ll see what I’m talking about.
This should be obvious, but if you have two pipelines you can pump twice as much oil as you can through one pipeline. Russia doesn’t send all their oil through literally one pipe. And if you’re wondering why on Earth Russia built a pipeline going from Russia, through Ukraine, through Slovakia, through the Czech Republic, into Germany, it’s because when all of that land was either the Soviet Union or puppet states of the Soviet Union, the Russians intentionally built all of Eastern Europe’s infrastructure to be dependent on Russia in case the Soviet Union ever collapsed, Russia would still have power over them.
TheBlackDeath double-posted this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,409,386
And if you’re wondering why those countries didn’t stop buying gas from Russia, it’s because their infrastructure was dependent on Russian gas and if they did anything to offend Russia, Russia could just turn it off. And everybody deluded themselves into thinking Russia is just a normal country and this is okay.
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 4 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,409,413
Pipelines are so old fashioned anyway, a very primitive solution to the issue. It's the future, why are we still pushing liquid through literal giant pipes?
> Russia sold Ukraine highly subsidized, near-free gas for many years and only stopped and attacked their energy infrastructure when NATO held a coup against their democratically elected government. > > Why would Putin have a track record of giving them nearly free energy before the war if he didn't like Ukraine? They weren't part of Russia, they held no obligation to provide for them.
Make believe. Ukraine got rid of pro-Russian stooges who benefited from Russian cash and interference.