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Topic: No wonder Japan lost

Anonymous A started this discussion 3 months ago #130,113

If I was Japanese in the 1930s or 1940s and I had to sit through propaganda films like this I think I would have committed seppuku out of boredom. Although, the year is 2025 and I’m intentionally making myself look at this out of boredom.

https://youtu.be/WWBdEzdQ5EU

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 3 months ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #1,396,818

I’ll give them one thing: I don’t understand Japanese, but those diagrams are very straightforward and simple. I would absolutely misunderstand how the plumbing works and drown everybody on that submarine, but maybe the world would be better off for it or something.

Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 3 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,819

Modern submariners probably never get to see a diagram of how the water flows in and out. They probably have that all abstracted away with computers, and if it breaks down, you have to call the underwater sea plumber of your local bikini bottom.

Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 3 months ago, 38 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,820

I’m so bored this is actually dangerous.

Anonymous A (OP) quintuple-posted this 3 months ago, 9 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,824

That out

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Anonymous A (OP) sextuple-posted this 3 months ago, 22 seconds later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,825

Holy shit I’ve gotta edit that out.

Anonymous A (OP) septuple-posted this 3 months ago, 9 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,827

I wonder if any of the Japanese guys who had to watch that thought to themselves, "I bet a hundred years from now even our enemies will watch this and be as bored by it as I am now."

Anonymous A (OP) octuple-posted this 3 months ago, 53 seconds later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,828

Like I get that the Japanese were like super honorable soldiers who would all die for the emperor and apparently that’s why we had to nuke them or something. But they’re humans and humans have personalities and I just wanna know about the one Japanese guy who was a massive bitch, I wanna know his story because that’s relatable.

Anonymous A (OP) nonuple-posted this 3 months ago, 47 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,829

And I mean, yeah, World War Two wasn’t a hundred years ago, it might as well be. I’m gonna be alive when it was a hundred years ago. It might as well be!

Anonymous A (OP) decuple-posted this 3 months ago, 10 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,832

I bet a hundred years from now, someone is going to randomly find this by generating a random number to search the random nth index in some old web scraping data set made for LLMs while scratching their balls and find it mildly amusing after they auto translate it because they’re fucking Italian or something.

(Edited 30 seconds later.)

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 9 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,860

Japan chose a dumb strategy. They didn’t have the manufacturing or logistics backbone for their war. Had they followed the army’s plan they would have concentrated forces from Manchuria and broken through to Siberia. Sure, Zhukov beat them in 1939, but they’d have been fine in 1941 when the entire Soviet army was fighting the Nazis in Moscow. Island grabbing dissipated Japan’s strength. About half of their 3.1 million military casualties died from starvation, disease, and lack of supplies.

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,863

@previous (B)
It’s crazy how much people fought and died over land in the 1940s and the end result is the world map looking mostly the same as before they did all that stuff. Apart from Africa I guess.

Anonymous C double-posted this 3 months ago, 3 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,867

That’s like the one good thing that came out of World War Two, the Europeans bankrupted themselves killing each other so they couldn’t afford to keep oppressing Indians and black people by imposing authoritarian governments over them that didn’t give them basic human rights in order to steal their resources and using some vague "we’re civilizing them" excuse. Which is ironic because a lot of the places that Europeans "civilized" had civilizations that were far older than European civilization. Like there’s no way you can conquer Egypt as an English person and be like "YuP We InVeNtEd LaW!"

Anonymous C triple-posted this 3 months ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,868

I mean, sure, Germany is a different shape now, but it’s in the same place almost the same size, who cares?

Anonymous C quadruple-posted this 3 months ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,869

You know what? I should quit talking.

(Edited 2 minutes later.)

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 46 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,874

@1,396,860 (B)

> Japan chose a dumb strategy. They didn’t have the manufacturing or logistics backbone for their war. Had they followed the army’s plan they would have concentrated forces from Manchuria and broken through to Siberia. Sure, Zhukov beat them in 1939, but they’d have been fine in 1941 when the entire Soviet army was fighting the Nazis in Moscow. Island grabbing dissipated Japan’s strength. About half of their 3.1 million military casualties died from starvation, disease, and lack of supplies.

For me this is a MIXED BAG. Because Japan hit Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th and for this very reason I EXIST. Sunday morning I became a Zygote at around 8:35 AM - Sperm entered Cervix and - Anyway Dad's leave from Army air force (Before Air Force existed) and he had to quickly get back to base and 9 months later I entered Planet Earth.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 4 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,904

@previous (E)
You’re 80?

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 9 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,967

Sarah Paine — Why Japan lost WWII (lecture & interview)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znk5QINe01A

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,998

@1,396,867 (C)

> That’s like the one good thing that came out of World War Two, the Europeans bankrupted themselves killing each other so they couldn’t afford to keep oppressing Indians and black people by imposing authoritarian governments over them that didn’t give them basic human rights in order to steal their resources and using some vague "we’re civilizing them" excuse. Which is ironic because a lot of the places that Europeans "civilized" had civilizations that were far older than European civilization. Like there’s no way you can conquer Egypt as an English person and be like "YuP We InVeNtEd LaW!"

The grand irony of WWII is that both “master races” failed and opened the way for colonial liberation and massive non-white immigration. Plus Israel was created and Germany divided. Hitler achieved everything counter to his stated goals.

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,397,007

@previous (H)
Not to mention the end of World War Two also resulted in the rise of communism, which is something Hitler wasn’t too fond of. It’s actually kind of impressive how badly Hitler failed.

Anonymous H replied with this 3 months ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,397,012

@1,396,967 (G)

> Sarah Paine — Why Japan lost WWII (lecture & interview)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znk5QINe01A

Outstanding.

Anonymous H double-posted this 3 months ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,397,013

@1,397,007 (I)

> Not to mention the end of World War Two also resulted in the rise of communism, which is something Hitler wasn’t too fond of. It’s actually kind of impressive how badly Hitler failed.

The greatest victors of WWII were Communists. And I don’t mean this in a revisionist way to say the Nazis were preferable. Just that FDR was a moron in his dealings with “Uncle Joe.” World communism wasn’t inevitable.

Anonymous I replied with this 3 months ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,397,014

@previous (H)
Tbh it’s weird how when the USSR fell, capitalists just declared that communism lost and capitalism won like China doesn’t exist.

Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 48 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,397,015

@previous (I)

I've never heard of it

Anonymous I replied with this 3 months ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,397,016

@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
Well imagine Japan if Japan was 10 times larger, didn’t have any American military bases, had nuclear weapons, and wasn’t allied with the west, but somehow we trade more with them significantly more than we trade with Japan, and was also communist.

Anonymous I double-posted this 3 months ago, 53 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,397,017

And if Japanese people were more normal.

Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 3 months ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,397,038

@1,397,016 (I)

What's a Japan?

DarkDude joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 25 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,397,042

@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
Highly relevant material:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanese_people
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