Topic: I’m encouraging all of us is to take comfort in the fact that as NATO, we are 25 times bigger
Meta started this discussion 3 months ago #130,007
I’m encouraging all of us is to take comfort in the fact that as NATO, we are 25 times bigger than the Russian economy. Our military is infinitely superior to the military, to the Russian military, when it comes to our air force, I mean, the Russians cannot even stand in the shadow with these MiG-31s, or whatever they call them, because they’re not well-trained fighter pilots. So, and then the question could be, ‘okay, but why then is Russia still a threat? And why do we have to spend more?’ Well, for two reasons: because they are willing to spend 40% of their state income on defence, so they are rapidly ramping up. And if you are willing, as a dictator, to accept 1 million of your people getting killed or seriously wounded with almost no territory gains in Ukraine, I think this year, Petro Poroshenko, you are sitting where you’re sitting, I think it was this year, 0.3 or 0.4% this year they gained in Donbas, losing 1 million people in that process. If you have to deal with a guy like that, even not being militarily superior to us, he could do very strange things against NATO. And that’s why we have to stand ready. And I think Estonia was a textbook example of how to react when that happens.
- Mark Rutte https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_238380.htm
So why isn't NATO winning in Ukraine? Why can't you stop the drones and the shadow fleet, Mark? You know if NATO did that 5% spending thing Trump has been bitching about for almost a decade it would be literally mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for
Russia to keep up.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 14 minutes later[^] [v] #1,396,062
Russia has the same GDP as Italy. They’re too underpopulated to have a good economy.
NATO and Russia both have nuclear weapons.
I could tell you why, but instead, ask yourself, do you want to grab a gun and go fight Russia right now? Think about the answer to that question for a few minutes and it won’t be that hard to understand.
NATO and Russia both have nuclear weapons.
I could tell you why, but instead, ask yourself, do you want to grab a gun and go fight Russia right now? Think about the answer to that question for a few minutes and it won’t be that hard to understand.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 2 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,063
@previous (B)
> Russia has the same GDP as Italy. They’re too underpopulated to have a good economy.
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> NATO and Russia both have nuclear weapons.
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> I could tell you why, but instead, ask yourself, do you want to grab a gun and go fight Russia right now? Think about the answer to that question for a few minutes and it won’t be that hard to understand.
Only UK and France have nuclear weapons and only a couple hundred.
The EU has had since before 2014 to wake the fuck up, fund their defense, increase armaments and support Ukraine. So they should start loaning money and buying shit and build at scale.
> Russia has the same GDP as Italy. They’re too underpopulated to have a good economy.
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> NATO and Russia both have nuclear weapons.
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> I could tell you why, but instead, ask yourself, do you want to grab a gun and go fight Russia right now? Think about the answer to that question for a few minutes and it won’t be that hard to understand.
Only UK and France have nuclear weapons and only a couple hundred.
The EU has had since before 2014 to wake the fuck up, fund their defense, increase armaments and support Ukraine. So they should start loaning money and buying shit and build at scale.
Anonymous B replied with this 3 months ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,065
@previous (C)
You’re forgetting the US is part of NATO.
Either way, name a couple hundred cities in Russia.
You’re forgetting the US is part of NATO.
Either way, name a couple hundred cities in Russia.
Meta (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 8 seconds later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,066
@1,396,062 (B)
No, I don't want to fight Russia now or ever. That's why I'm America First. I think it's very silly to fight Russia.
No, I don't want to fight Russia now or ever. That's why I'm America First. I think it's very silly to fight Russia.
Anonymous B replied with this 3 months ago, 2 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,067
@previous (Meta)
And that’s why NATO isn’t fighting Russia. We just give weapons to Ukraine and call it a day.
And that’s why NATO isn’t fighting Russia. We just give weapons to Ukraine and call it a day.
Anonymous B double-posted this 3 months ago, 5 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,068
And you know, a million Ukrainians, yeah but like, it’s either that or a million Americans so that’s what we’re going with. 🤷♂️
Anonymous B triple-posted this 3 months ago, 7 minutes later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,070
Ukraine’s economy is basically the same size as Nigeria’s economy.
Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 3 months ago, 3 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,071
…depends on the price of oil that specific year, sometimes Nigeria is bigger.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 3 months ago, 13 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,396,179
Tale of the tape! The EU has no mechanism to exert that mass and financial muscle with ease. NATO is too defensive in nature. And in case they’re not aware, Russia is at war with Europe and has been cutting cables, hacking their systems, sending saboteurs, rigging elections, undermining institutions. The EU should target Russian cash flows and shut down their oil dark fleet, money laundering, and hidden companies.