Anonymous A started this discussion 4 months ago#129,208
First they assassinate someone for speech.
Next they spread lies on platforms about the event, watched by millions, so that when they are held accountable they can play the victims defending the 1st amendment.
Two key differences in how the right and left act:
1. Right puts a claim into words, states their defense, and allows dissenters to respond. Left usually avoids debate, but when they get involved will make personal attacks, emotional appeals, and respond to strawman arguments.
2. Right uses legal rights to fire those who knowingly lie. Left breaks the law to silence dissenters violently.
The fatigue has been there for years, but I kept politics out of personal relationships. This feels different, I can't remember everyone saying death is the appropriate response to speech before. I'm actually disgusted by people I talk to, in person, every day who celebrated this.
Asked one what he said that would make it OK, and he couldn't give one real example. He said "he wanted to stone gay people", but when we verified that it was a fake quote, nothing changed.
I stand with Epstein ✊ joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 3 minutes later[^][v]#1,391,393
Has it ever occurred to you that America would be much better off if both sides of the political spectrum fully embraced censorship? The thing is, the king, the people, it’s all human rights. You can value freedom of speech over the diving right of the sovereign to rule or you can value the divine right of the sovereign to rule over freedom of speech if mortality is all subjective. But God exists, and the most natural form of government is absolute monarchy. The people do not have a close connection with God, the lower classes are hedonistic and foolish in nature. Wouldn’t society be better off with rulers who were chosen by the divine intelligence of the creator of the universe?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 15 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,391,396
Everything points to the Kirk shooter being a Groyper. The right uses the same invective and misdirection and cancel culture as the Woke progressive shitbags.
> BlueAnon misdirection. > > Anytime LGBT militants kill someone yelling "fascist!" you will just put your tinfoil hat on and declare them a groyper. > > It looks like it's working too. Every other late show host is airing that clip, and people are repeating it.
What truths are being spoken about on Fox News or OAN or Newsmax? This isn’t the right of years ago when Pat Buchanan, Bob Novak, or clever and flaming Buckley cited facts, evidence, and assiduously argued their points. It’s the same as the loony left. Name calling and declarations that those who disagree with them are the enemy (traitor, racist, fascist - name calling). The fringes of both sides hate science as we see with anti-vaxx and trans mania.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 57 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,413
The left's time is running out. They better straighten up and fly right or they may have their ass shipped out along with all the illegals. They've spewed their bs long enough and a majority of Americans are sick and tired of their insane drivel.
> The left's time is running out. They better straighten up and fly right or they may have their ass shipped out along with all the illegals. They've spewed their bs long enough and a majority of Americans are sick and tired of their insane drivel.
You do realize that the US is only 4% of the world’s population and there’s a country with a left wing authoritarian government that has 4x the population of the US and the world’s second largest economy right? Loads of people in the world are going to keep calling themselves Marxists and communists or whatever.
Anonymous G quadruple-posted this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,436
Also in the United States (China isn’t better in this regard), 1% of the population has 30% of the wealth. So that’s something that’s worth considering also.
Anonymous G replied with this 4 months ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,438
@previous (A)
Well if you think about it, every country except the most powerful country isn’t the most powerful country. My point is that just because the United States becomes right wing doesn’t mean you’ve defeated leftist ideology in the world.
Anonymous G double-posted this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,439
I’m not saying I support it, I’m just saying, your idea that Charlie Kirk’s death is somehow going to be the end of left wing ideology in the world isn’t true.
Anonymous G replied with this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,442
@previous (A)
China became communist because they had a civil war at the same time the Japanese invaded China during World War Two and out of all the chaos the communists came out on top.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,443
@previous (G)
A nationalist government would have been a threat, imperialists backed a puppet communist government because it would never be able to generate and hold capital for themselves.
Anonymous G replied with this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,444
The thing about authoritarian governments is, people get their information through the internet. China censors their internet, what Chinese people see on social media is completely different from what people in the west see. The political movements in the west don’t necessarily affect Chinese society. In a totalitarian state, everything is designed so that the ruling party never loses power.
Anonymous G double-posted this 4 months ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,448
@1,391,445 (A)
I’m pretty sure the reason why the Chinese government let American billionaires like Tim Cook and Elon Musk manufacture iPhones and Teslas in mainland China was always so that Chinese companies could copy them and create Chinese phones and Chinese EVs.
Anonymous G triple-posted this 4 months ago, 48 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,449
I’m not saying that the Chinese government is good, I’m just saying that saying that Charlie Kirk getting shot will end leftist ideology is like saying 9/11 would end Islam. It’s dumb.
Anonymous G replied with this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,451
@previous (A)
Unavoidable if you literally build factories in China that are so big they have to build miniature cities with high rises just to house all the workers.
Anonymous G replied with this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,454
@previous (A)
Unavoidable if you do the stupidest thing ever.
And on the education front, if republicans would stop using Asians as an excuse to be racist against blacks and say that blacks don’t deserve to be in college because Asians deserve it more, then maybe the US wouldn’t spend so many resources on educating Chinese international students when like 80% of them go back to China when they graduate.
Anonymous G replied with this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,458
@previous (A)
I’d rather use American citizens to create American technology in America than build our most advanced technology over in China. You seem like you like China more than me.
Anonymous G double-posted this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,459
Unless you’re such a patriot that you’d rather risk americas national security because you don’t like blacks. In which case, good luck with producing technology once China buys up all the rare earth minerals in Africa because the US cut all the foreign aid there.
Anonymous G double-posted this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,476
To be honest, if every time black people are going to contribute anything to America, what’s the point of us even being here anyway? Why should we fight for you again?
Anonymous G double-posted this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,481
Fucking brought my ancestors over here to work for you to not pay and them, but I’m the fucking problem. Yeah right. Like you ever did anything for the world.
Anonymous G triple-posted this 4 months ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,487
White man shot a white man. Solution? Tell the blacks to go back to Africa. Great. Shoot each other over ideology to prove how high IQ you are to us. Fuck if I care! You absolute mental retard.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,490
Would you rather train American citizens or Chinese citizens? "Uh I don’t like black people train more Chinese."
Would you rather have black people fight for you or against you? "Uh I don’t like black people I don’t want you on my side"
Like you have to be actually suicidal if you unironically are this fucking stupid, unless you’re so stupid you don’t know why this type of thinking is completely selfish and suicidal at the same time
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 9 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,502
@previous (A)
I said why should I fight for you. I was hoping you could think of a reason. But apparently you don’t want me in this country. I was trying to say that maybe we should empower American citizens so that we can win against our adversary, but you don’t like black people so you didn’t like that idea. So I guess you’d rather have me fight against you than for you, which is suicidal. You can be a bitch about it and play your word games like you always do to deflect, but it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a fucking coward who stands for nothing but your own hurt feelings. And I don’t know who hurt you, but it wasn’t me!
Anonymous J triple-posted this 4 months ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,505
If you love America, don’t you think you should be able to come up with a reason why I should want to fight for this country? But nooooo, instead you said, "Good point, leave." You’re such a fucking patriot aren’t you.
Anonymous J quadruple-posted this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,506
You couldn’t say, "oh because we’re a democracy," or "oh because you have it better here than you would somewhere else," or "oh because we believe that all men are created equal and we hold these truths to be self evident," NOPE! Just blacks ain’t qualified so get the fuck out. You’re a terrible person.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 15 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,650
@1,391,393 (I stand with Epstein ✊)
The problem with censorship is that it only further agitates the people who are radicalized, and no matter how much censorship you force on somebody they will always find ways to share their ideas (Unless we are to start living like 1984). For example, the internet has provided many individuals who would usually be censored to share and discuss their ideas anonymously (like 8kun or FashFront), even though the US has actively tried to shut these ideologies down.
I stand with Epstein ✊ joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 41 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,670
@previous (K)
That’s what the tanks are for. In America when there’s a protest, they just let it happen, in a lot of countries, this is how it goes down:
Anonymous K replied with this 4 months ago, 4 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,672
@previous (I stand with Epstein ✊)
You could do that, but if you jail everyone that is your opposition that would raise suspicion among some of the populus, and jailing them would result in more suspicion and outrage from the public.
I stand with Epstein ✊ replied with this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,673
@previous (K)
So what if it does? Just don’t cover the protests in the media. Obviously authoritarianism works, otherwise, why have most governments throughout most of history been authoritarian?
I stand with Epstein ✊ replied with this 4 months ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,677
@previous (K)
You don’t have to jail everyone. Think about war for example, why do men fight in wars they don’t want to fight in? Because if you’re a coward, you get shot, and if you don’t shoot a coward you’re a coward who deserves to be shot. You can create a dictator-less dictatorship by using people to spy on each other. You can also create the illusion of the government being more powerful and knowledgeable than it actually is by imprisoning random people who did nothing wrong and saying they were imprisoned for being enemies of the state and nobody will know the difference.
Anonymous K replied with this 4 months ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,681
@1,391,677 (I stand with Epstein ✊)
So, like 1984 essentially? But then what’s the point of it all? If people are suspicious of each other the government only handle so much pressure until an uprising or civil war breaks out. Look at Britain and their increasingly authoritarian government. The let in millions of immigrants that wrecked the country and jailed locals for going out against it, and now the cities are trash, there’s protests everywhere, and rumours and murmurs of civil war. Essentially, why would you rule over a country just to make it shit?
I stand with Epstein ✊ joined in and replied with this 4 months ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,682
@previous (K)
The point of authoritarianism is to never lose power. I’m just going to ignore the UK thing since the UK is a democratic country. Authoritarian countries don’t let in loads of immigrants you’re just brainwashed by propaganda for stupid people.
This is how it works in real authoritarian countries like China.
In the Chinese constitution, all men and women over the age of 18 have the right to vote. However, people can only vote in local elections. That way people are relatively happy with their local leaders they interact with more often yet have very little power over the country as a whole. Then when you move up the hierarchy, the way it works is higher levels of government select people from lower levels of government who agree with what the communist party believes in, so that by the time someone becomes the chairman / president (two different positions one is a party position one is a government position but they’re both held by the same person), the person in charge of the country will never be anything but a communist.
I stand with Epstein ✊ replied with this 4 months ago, 46 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,691
Real authoritarian governments don’t want immigration because homogenous societies are easier to control. For example, China advocates for state atheism because they see independent religion as a threat to the authority of the government so you’re only legally allowed to in participate in one of five religions the state approves of as official religions: Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Protestantism, and Catholicism. Except, if you are a member of any of these five religions you can’t be a member of the communist party and can’t hold any governmental positions. These are also not parts of the global religious movements associated with these religions. For example, the Catholic Church in China is run by the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association which is run by the government and discourages the belief in the primacy of Rome.
I stand with Epstein ✊ replied with this 4 months ago, 1 minute later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,391,699
@previous (K)
I just think that maybe if powerful people molest kids maybe we should support it because powerful, rich and successful people are better than the rest of us.
That’s crazy, they have a whole ‘pleasure squad’ passed down from generation to generation. But I’m talking about the CCP here, sure Kim and Xi are great friends but is Xi Jingping diddling girls???
They quote on quote: > … a range of sexual behaviours among the penguins, including most notably the behaviour of young unpaired males and females, which involved necrophilia, sexual coercion, sexual and physical abuse of chicks, non-procreative sex and homosexual activity.
Also sorry for the bad formatting I’m new to this.
Lady D !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 months ago, 4 minutes later, 4 weeks after the original post[^][v]#1,396,187
I have some kind of "Epstein list" that is just a bunch of scanned documents that are people's contacts. I haven't called any to verify, but I guess I could Google the official numbers in there to see if they're at least legit I guess.
Lady D !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 months ago, 1 hour later, 4 weeks after the original post[^][v]#1,396,260
@1,396,213 (A)
No like someone was like "this is the Epstein list" and it has a bunch of names and numbers for people. Looks like a Rolodex that was scanned basically.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 months ago, 1 hour later, 1 month after the original post[^][v]#1,396,491
@1,396,268 (DarkDude)
Yes, I know. Its much easier to not pay attention, and then agree with whatever shoet-term emotional statement the people around me spout in the moment.
DarkDude double-posted this 3 months ago, 3 minutes later, 1 month after the original post[^][v]#1,396,707
Idk why people act like it’s women’s fault for getting offended. Women don’t get offended by me all the time, because I’m not a piece of shit asshole all the time.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 3 months ago, 4 minutes later, 1 month after the original post[^][v]#1,396,749
@1,396,707 (DarkDude)
Appeasing and validating someone's feelings is easier, but saying whatever makes people happy isn't the highest form of morality.